Women uncomfortable with transgender employee in toilet
Discussion
Alan535 said:
It should either use the toilets of its birth sex or the disabled ,a very suitable title for frankly a voyuer who thinks the world should accomodate them.
How can you assume that the individual is a voyeur ( that is the correct spelling BTW )? Or it it just your inherent narrow-mindedness which associates such actions with those who are a bit different to the norm.
OK how about single sex toilets where there are a mix of straight and gay users - you could use exactly the same argument there.
Rushjob said:
Alan535 said:
It should either use the toilets of its birth sex or the disabled ,a very suitable title for frankly a voyuer who thinks the world should accomodate them.
How can you assume that the individual is a voyeur ( that is the correct spelling BTW )? Or it it just your inherent narrow-mindedness which associates such actions with those who are a bit different to the norm.
OK how about single sex toilets where there are a mix of straight and gay users - you could use exactly the same argument there.
Well i tolerate homosexuals in mens toilets thyey are male.
I am happy with the spelling its a liberal interpretation.
Alan535 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Alan535 said:
It should either use the toilets of its birth sex or the disabled ,a very suitable title for frankly a voyuer who thinks the world should accomodate them.
Do you really call people "it"?Just seems like basic manners really.
designforlife said:
The trans member of staff isn't the problem, they are.
Yep.I'll swap them a mere trans person to share the toilets with for the people at our place who insist on using the toilets as squat toilets, standing on the seats and distributing their ejecta over as many surfaces as are within range.
Had a chap at my place of work go through the transition from male to female. Hard working and pleasent but quiet, shy and timid. The hardest bit working near him was the genuine sadness & struggle in his eyes when you caught him with his 'guard down' that sort of staring into the distance/mid way through his lunch..... It was pretty upsetting. The st he must have been processing whilst I was worrying about being bored at work. 
Not all trans people are the bds on twitter with their politically woke bully boy attention seeking attitudes. The vast majority are genuinely average Joe folk who are in a really really dark place struggling because they won the wrong lottery. 
t he must have been processing whilst I was worrying about being bored at work. Not all trans people are the b
ds on twitter with their politically woke bully boy attention seeking attitudes. The vast majority are genuinely average Joe folk who are in a really really dark place struggling because they won the wrong lottery. Edited by Andeh1 on Friday 21st February 17:36
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Alan535 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Alan535 said:
It should either use the toilets of its birth sex or the disabled ,a very suitable title for frankly a voyuer who thinks the world should accomodate them.
Do you really call people "it"?Not my problem theirs
Just seems like basic manners really.[/quote
toleration only zero sympathy
Andeh1 said:
Had a chap at my place of work go through the transition from male to female. Hard working and pleasent but quiet, shy and timid. The hardest bit working near him was the genuine sadness & struggle in his eyes when you caught him with his 'guard down' that sort of staring into the distance/mid way through his lunch..... It was pretty upsetting.
Not all trans people are the bds on twitter with their politically woke bully boy attention seeking attitudes. The vast majority are genuinely average Joe folk who are in a really really dark place struggling because they won the wrong lottery.
I work with two. One is pretty much as you describe and a kind, genuinely empathetic and caring person. The other isn't, but appears not to have settled into herself yet. Neither has caused any issue among their female colleagues either over toilets or changing rooms (we have to change into uniform before shifts start) Maybe my colleagues are just nicer people than the OP's, who knows?Not all trans people are the b
ds on twitter with their politically woke bully boy attention seeking attitudes. The vast majority are genuinely average Joe folk who are in a really really dark place struggling because they won the wrong lottery. JuniorD said:
But is it not the right of the male-to-female transgender person to use the female bogs? In which case why should they be forced to use some other toilet? Especially if they are a male-female-lesbian transgender person and want to get their kicks from hearing women piss and/or the chance of a gander at some flange. Or alternatively, if they are male-female-transgender person, but maintain straight male sexuality, and want to get their kicks from hearing women piss and/or the chance of a gander at some flange.
Munter said:
Leylandeye said:
In our society, many whites feel uncomfortable about sharing a toilet with someone who is black.
I hear today that about 30 whites have said that they are uncomfortable with the situation but what bothers them more is that there is nothing to protect how they feel when that feeling is a common response in our society.
Will a race equality awareness course change the deep routed feelings that they have grown up with and have been surrounded by all their lives?
If anything, it is dismissing the feelings of the majority in the favour of a minority and the majority are being made to feel wrong.
Is that fair and reasonable?
Yes I edited what you said. But this is the equivalent of what you are saying (pre-equality laws).I hear today that about 30 whites have said that they are uncomfortable with the situation but what bothers them more is that there is nothing to protect how they feel when that feeling is a common response in our society.
Will a race equality awareness course change the deep routed feelings that they have grown up with and have been surrounded by all their lives?
If anything, it is dismissing the feelings of the majority in the favour of a minority and the majority are being made to feel wrong.
Is that fair and reasonable?
The ladies have to learn to grow up and join a free and liberal society. Or leave for Russia.
The key difference is that a black person is black whereas a male identifying as a female is still a male so what place do they have in the womens toilets?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: What do they do if they go into the toilet whilst it's being cleaned if the cleaner is male?
I've gone into enough toilets in enough countries whilst there's someone in there cleaning and it really doesn't turn into some awkward "Hmm you're a woman could you wait outside whilst I pee" conversation.
I don't get people sometimes
For some people it is awkward and whilst you may not get it, that is how a very large proportion of the UK feel. I've gone into enough toilets in enough countries whilst there's someone in there cleaning and it really doesn't turn into some awkward "Hmm you're a woman could you wait outside whilst I pee" conversation.
I don't get people sometimes
For what it's worth, I'm with you that it's not a big deal but the issue is that the situation has suddenly made the workplace uncomfortable for the majority of the female staff.
Pothole said:
Maybe my colleagues are just nicer people than the OP's, who knows?
I don't know what they are like as a person but the indication is that they go to work, do their job and that's it. If there was any issues with conduct or behaviour, be it being pissing voyeurs or flange feelers, that would be another matter.Munter said:
Yes I edited what you said. But this is the equivalent of what you are saying (pre-equality laws).
It isn't really equivalent. Do people choose to identify as a different skin colour or race to their own and does the law recognise this as a valid choice? I suppose that's something we have to look forward to.Leylandeye said:
For some people it is awkward and whilst you may not get it, that is how a very large proportion of the UK feel.
For what it's worth, I'm with you that it's not a big deal but the issue is that the situation has suddenly made the workplace uncomfortable for the majority of the female staff.
I "get it" to a degree but I also think that people have to get over themselves.For what it's worth, I'm with you that it's not a big deal but the issue is that the situation has suddenly made the workplace uncomfortable for the majority of the female staff.
I'm not all that clued up on this stuff myself but if the worst thing that I have to deal with in my working day is who's in the same room as me whilst I'm at the toilet I've probably had a better day than the new employee from the sounds of it.
Maybe think how much courage it must take to go through that every single day of your life with a significant proportion of the people you meet.
Why act that way toward someone if you can make life a little bit easier for them just by being pleasant?
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