Women uncomfortable with transgender employee in toilet

Women uncomfortable with transgender employee in toilet

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InitialDave

11,880 posts

119 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Not read the link, but let me take a wild guess: they're very much LGB with no T?

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
Not read the link, but let me take a wild guess: they're very much LGB with no T?
Yes. Apparently that’s not allowed ? Acceptance with no exceptions etc etc.

Pugaris

1,307 posts

44 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
Not read the link, but let me take a wild guess: they're very much LGB with no T?
Yeah I had a quick poke around and it seems to be much more of an explicitly anti-trans site than pro-LGB.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Pugaris said:
Yeah I had a quick poke around and it seems to be much more of an explicitly anti-trans site than pro-LGB.
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castex

4,936 posts

273 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Olas on page one has me thinking of identifying as an attack helicopter.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

155 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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castex said:
Olas on page one has me thinking of identifying as an attack helicopter.
Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor Identifies as "Her majesty the queen".

Why does he/her seem to bother people so much? it's just a title

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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lyonspride said:
castex said:
Olas on page one has me thinking of identifying as an attack helicopter.
Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor Identifies as "Her majesty the queen".

Why does he/her seem to bother people so much? it's just a title
Why does misgendering bother people so much ? It’s just a title

loskie

5,197 posts

120 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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The whole transgender thing and mis identifying of gender is just plain stupid. You are as you are born biologically even if you "feel" differently
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lyonspride

2,978 posts

155 months

Sunday 13th June 2021
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loskie said:
The whole transgender thing and mis identifying of gender is just plain stupid. You are as you are born biologically even if you "feel" differently
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Yes, yes, but people don't walk around with their bits on show, so we have these pesky things knowns "social gender roles", which have nothing to do with biology, they are simply how a person presents themselves. We go to work, we wear "uniforms" appropriate to our roles, we go for a walk we wear "uniforms" appropriate to ourselves and our personality. The ridiculous thing is that people are so bothered by that, and if you take away gender for a minute, it really is purely about people not conforming to social norms.
All it boils down to is the basic human instinct to hate and mistrust anyone who doesn't "fit in". Out groups, like cyclists.

I mean i'm f**ked, middle aged and I don't wear badly fitting "dad" jeans with a baggy polo shirt, or a button down shirt with chino shorts, socks and sandals, like my father did and like every bloke my age seems to..........

This whole thing is ridiculous, the worlds gone to st, pandemic, unemployment is through the roof, and people are worried about someone wearing the "wrong" clothes.............

Edited by lyonspride on Sunday 13th June 08:34

R Mutt

5,890 posts

72 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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Just been to a charity shop where the clothes aren't separated by gender.

Some may object to this being described as woke nonsense but where these ideas render something uttely impractical that seems fitting, unlike the clothes

I might go back when I've got hours to sift through things that look good at first glance but but are a size 10, and while I'm there I'll check whether the changing rooms are gendered.

Edited by R Mutt on Monday 18th September 18:25

InitialDave

11,880 posts

119 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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I'd separate the clothes by men's/women's, not because they have to be "for" that gender, but because the sizes are usually different even when nominally the same, e.g. L vs L for a t shirt.

R Mutt

5,890 posts

72 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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InitialDave said:
I'd separate the clothes by men's/women's, not because they have to be "for" that gender, but because the sizes are usually different even when nominally the same, e.g. L vs L for a t shirt.
It's a lot more than that though. I'd be a women's 12 but even a jumper is still going to fit completely wrong. Far too short for one.

InitialDave

11,880 posts

119 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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R Mutt said:
It's a lot more than that though. I'd be a women's 12 but even a jumper is still going to fit completely wrong. Far too short for one.
But if you see it's a 12, you know pretty much what that correlates to in terms of dimensions (leaving aside the variability of women's clothing sizing between brands).

If it says M/L/XL it could be radically different depending if they mean men's or women's.

R Mutt

5,890 posts

72 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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InitialDave said:
R Mutt said:
It's a lot more than that though. I'd be a women's 12 but even a jumper is still going to fit completely wrong. Far too short for one.
But if you see it's a 12, you know pretty much what that correlates to in terms of dimensions (leaving aside the variability of women's clothing sizing between brands).

If it says M/L/XL it could be radically different depending if they mean men's or women's.
They weren't sorted by size either. If they were at least you might then get a man choosing a women's 12 jumper because they liked the cropped cut rather than a men's M from the same section.

DodgyGeezer

40,379 posts

190 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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InitialDave said:
But if you see it's a 12, you know pretty much what that correlates to in terms of dimensions (leaving aside the variability of women's clothing sizing between brands).
not really, size 12 (for example) can vary drastically from label to label within the same shop, let alone different shops and totally different ideas of luxury/casual/business/etc

romeogolf

2,056 posts

119 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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R Mutt said:
Just been to a charity shop where the clothes aren't separated by gender.

Some may object to this being described as woke nonsense but where these ideas render something uttely impractical that seems fitting, unlike the clothes

I might go back when I've got hours to sift through things that look good at first glance but but are a size 10, and while I'm there I'll check whether the changing rooms are gendered.

Edited by R Mutt on Monday 18th September 18:25
R Mutt said:
InitialDave said:
R Mutt said:
It's a lot more than that though. I'd be a women's 12 but even a jumper is still going to fit completely wrong. Far too short for one.
But if you see it's a 12, you know pretty much what that correlates to in terms of dimensions (leaving aside the variability of women's clothing sizing between brands).

If it says M/L/XL it could be radically different depending if they mean men's or women's.
They weren't sorted by size either. If they were at least you might then get a man choosing a women's 12 jumper because they liked the cropped cut rather than a men's M from the same section.
So what you're saying is that the clothes weren't sorted at all. So this doesn't really look like a political statement or attempt to be socially aware. It's just staff who can't be bothered to arrange the goods?

Tankrizzo

7,258 posts

193 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Aren't charity shops always a big jumble of crap to sift through?

R Mutt

5,890 posts

72 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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romeogolf said:
R Mutt said:
Just been to a charity shop where the clothes aren't separated by gender.

Some may object to this being described as woke nonsense but where these ideas render something uttely impractical that seems fitting, unlike the clothes

I might go back when I've got hours to sift through things that look good at first glance but but are a size 10, and while I'm there I'll check whether the changing rooms are gendered.

Edited by R Mutt on Monday 18th September 18:25
R Mutt said:
InitialDave said:
R Mutt said:
It's a lot more than that though. I'd be a women's 12 but even a jumper is still going to fit completely wrong. Far too short for one.
But if you see it's a 12, you know pretty much what that correlates to in terms of dimensions (leaving aside the variability of women's clothing sizing between brands).

If it says M/L/XL it could be radically different depending if they mean men's or women's.
They weren't sorted by size either. If they were at least you might then get a man choosing a women's 12 jumper because they liked the cropped cut rather than a men's M from the same section.
So what you're saying is that the clothes weren't sorted at all. So this doesn't really look like a political statement or attempt to be socially aware. It's just staff who can't be bothered to arrange the goods?
There seem to be plenty of staff there hanging items out, and they were previously sorted by gender, (but now only by garment type and quality), so I will have to ask them next time

R Mutt

5,890 posts

72 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Tankrizzo said:
Aren't charity shops always a big jumble of crap to sift through?
Not when you can easily walk to the section selling say men's long sleeve shirts, and then follow the size order you find yours, and see if there's anything there you like, as in pretty much all shops, charity or otherwise.