BA employees

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PushedDover

5,622 posts

52 months

Wednesday 17th June 2020
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Thankyou4calling said:
Have there been any further developments today?
Other than loads of nonsense 'sign this petition for me against 'BA is Betraying Britain' on Facebook ?

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,424 posts

222 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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JxJ Jr. said:
Willie Walsh's response to the recent Transport Committee's report is quoted in The Telegraph today, doesn't appear to be in a conciliatory mood - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/15/wi...

If you can't access it, quotes attributed to him:

acting in a “perfectly lawful manner”

“This is not a disgrace. Lying down and surrendering without a fight would be a disgrace and we will not do that.”

“You made clear several weeks ago that the report would be 'fuelled by the kind and impassioned messages' you received, rather than the facts....The facts, however, are clear. The Government has no plans to help the sector restart and recover as evidenced by the introduction of the 14-day quarantine regulation.”

ETA - I suspect industrial action may be a rather high risk and ineffectual strategy in the current environment.

Edited by JxJ Jr. on Tuesday 16th June 22:43
hmm, I predict Mr Walsh will see through his changes and then sacked shortly before the next AGM ( with a large pay off). His attitude is not great at the mo, he's almost a tory Red Robbo.

BA safety record is good probably for the same reason it's staff are expensive, I hope these changes don't change that any time soon.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
BA safety record is good probably for the same reason it's staff are expensive, I hope these changes don't change that any time soon.
The safety record is not bad, but certainly not the best:-

The top 20 are: Air New Zealand, Alaska Airlines, All Nippon Airways, American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Emirates, EVA Air, Finnair, Hawaiian Airlines, KLM, Lufthansa, Qantas, Qatar Airways, Scandinavian Airline System, Singapore Airlines, Swiss, and United Airlines and Virgin group of airlines (Atlantic and Australia).

wisbech

2,939 posts

120 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Neither EasyJet or Ryanair have ever had a fatal accident. So low cost =/= low safety

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.

vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
Only where supply massively outstrips demand.

If you have key, rare skills then you are much less at risk.

It all depends on the sector, it cannot be universally applied.

PushedDover

5,622 posts

52 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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And the use of the word "smug" is because?

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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BA are not going to put any of their 747’s back into service so the pilots option is to completely retrain for an Airbus or other Boeing ( you can’t go from one to the other without) or accept redundancy.

Given most 747 pilots are mature, long service they’ll mostly take redundancy and retire.

Bear in mind there are BA employees who have legacy contracts whose pension would actually be GREATER than their salary.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
It often is. Where an Employer thinks that they can do something which increases profits they'll do it. (If they don't one of their rivals will).

Airline staff are no different to any other group of employees. The only defence against Employers doing this is to be working in an industry which is heavily unionised AND where any disruption would have a significant immediate impact on the electorate. E.g. London Underground or the BMA.

zippy3x

1,308 posts

266 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
Sorry to break it to you, but this has been happening for years to the "smug salaried employee".

Where were you then?

Perhaps your question shouldn't be "why is no one fussed" and should be "why didn't I do anything when it happened to others"

JxJ Jr.

652 posts

69 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
When all other airlines are cutting jobs, one UK airline has failed and more are expected to, jobs are being lost and pay being cut in other sectors, why do you think BA jobs should be given any special consideration?

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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zippy3x said:
Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
Sorry to break it to you, but this has been happening for years to the "smug salaried employee".

Where were you then?

Perhaps your question shouldn't be "why is no one fussed" and should be "why didn't I do anything when it happened to others"
I voted labour in an attempt to reverse this sort of thing. I guess winners get what they voted for.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
I voted labour in an attempt to reverse this sort of thing. I guess winners get what they voted for.
The alternative would be a significant risk that the entire company would go bankrupt, resulting in more lost jobs. I don't think that's any better an outcome.

edc

9,230 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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Countdown said:
Fundoreen said:
I voted labour in an attempt to reverse this sort of thing. I guess winners get what they voted for.
The alternative would be a significant risk that the entire company would go bankrupt, resulting in more lost jobs. I don't think that's any better an outcome.
You do realise this is not a BA thing. They just happen to be in the news because it's unionised, big and the employees and union like to talk. Employment law has been this way for many years.

ChocolateFrog

24,851 posts

172 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
I'm conflicted but I hate unions more so automatically side with the company when a union gets chest puffy.

vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Fundoreen said:
I voted labour in an attempt to reverse this sort of thing. I guess winners get what they voted for.
Where does the money come from to support an industry running at currently 5% capacity, slowly ramping up to 50% capacity, with highly inefficient planes (747s) that should be retired?

PushedDover

5,622 posts

52 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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To revisit

Fundoreen said:
Dont know why so many are not fussed by something like this. If it can be done to BA employees it can be done to any smug salaried employee in any sector.
PushedDover said:
And the use of the word "smug" is because?
Can you answer ?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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moles said:
Interested in hearing the views of any legal bods in here on what BA are trying to do by making everyone redundant and re-employing most on worse contracts.

Various government websites say employees can take employer to tribunal for unfair dismissal if they don’t agree, could this open the floodgates on other companies trying this in different industries, sack everyone and re-employ on worse contracts?.
Looks like the cuts have started.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-28...

JxJ Jr.

652 posts

69 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Countdown said:
I've exceeded my free views, but that looks like 350 flight crew jobs. They may have got themselves a better deal, as according to this https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/25/b... a few days ago:

"Talks are continuing with the pilots’ trade union Balpa over a voluntary redundancy deal. No offer has yet been put to ground staff. BA says no unions other than Balpa have turned up to talks, despite meetings scheduled almost daily since the airline announced plans to cut jobs and change contracts."