Co worker paid more than me
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They say comparison is the thief of joy.
When are you planning on retiring? I probably wouldn't get too bent out of shape over 3k if you like the job.
I don't buy there's nothing we can do BS. Seems to be a typical bulls
t management line. There's always something they can do. IME they just tend to wait to fully evaluate your worth when you've another job offer on the table. Never made sense to me but seems common place.
Or as others have said leave.
When are you planning on retiring? I probably wouldn't get too bent out of shape over 3k if you like the job.
I don't buy there's nothing we can do BS. Seems to be a typical bulls
t management line. There's always something they can do. IME they just tend to wait to fully evaluate your worth when you've another job offer on the table. Never made sense to me but seems common place.Or as others have said leave.
a311 said:
I don't buy there's nothing we can do BS.
Right. There's nothing we can do roughly translates as there is something we can do - but we don't want to do it. Assume any employer pays their people just enough so they're not tempted to look elsewhere. We know OP is 60, assume the other person is 40.
Pay a 40 year old and a 60 year old the same money for the same job and who's most likely to go elsewhere?
I'd suggest the 40 year old - so employer has to pay the 40 year old more to keep them. Sucks for the 60 year old to be "underpaid" but sound business decision.
Assume they don't want to lose the OP - he's a better employee working for less money. If he were to achieve a higher offer elsewhere they may well offer him £x extra to stay but unless/until he does that there's "nothing they can do"
I was in exact same position. Like you, I'd be in early, do more work, invoice more, etc.
It started out with her thinking I was on a st load more than her - and would mention it at every opportunity. Our director, notoriously hot headed, blurt out our salaries at one meeting.
I learned that I wasn't valued. And left.
She realised she was at peak income there. And also left!
It started out with her thinking I was on a s
t load more than her - and would mention it at every opportunity. Our director, notoriously hot headed, blurt out our salaries at one meeting.I learned that I wasn't valued. And left.
She realised she was at peak income there. And also left!
You made a rod for your own back, the company knows they can take advantage of you so why change now.
How comes you've let it go 1.5 years to get to this point.
The day I found out someone was getting paid more than me for the same work all good will would have ceased immediately.
What's your industry like as only option I can see is leaving.
How comes you've let it go 1.5 years to get to this point.
The day I found out someone was getting paid more than me for the same work all good will would have ceased immediately.
What's your industry like as only option I can see is leaving.
A relative is having this issue at the minute. Small company but has many members and a board they have just two full time employees.Relative runs editing, publishing advertising department basically five jobs in one and the other lady does finance and admin.
Relative works 9-5pm plus burns the midnight oil to get it all done. The other employee moans about having a child and instead of working 9-5pm as contracted, leaves at about 3pm leaving relative to go solo for the last two hours. They found out the other employee gets paid several thousand more despite doing less work and having less responsibility. I've advised telling them straight that it's unacceptable and if they refuse to acknowledge the disparity look elsewhere as there is no shortage of publishing jobs and her CV is strong it shows shes been doing the work of five people for years under pressure, the notice period is two months.
Relative works 9-5pm plus burns the midnight oil to get it all done. The other employee moans about having a child and instead of working 9-5pm as contracted, leaves at about 3pm leaving relative to go solo for the last two hours. They found out the other employee gets paid several thousand more despite doing less work and having less responsibility. I've advised telling them straight that it's unacceptable and if they refuse to acknowledge the disparity look elsewhere as there is no shortage of publishing jobs and her CV is strong it shows shes been doing the work of five people for years under pressure, the notice period is two months.
Edited by sutoka on Friday 17th June 06:29
skinnyman said:
If you're 60 I'm guessing your climbing the ladder/job progression days are over, so I'd just cut back. Cut back on the work, effect, F's you give, and let the other person earn their extra salary.
Good point.I can look at the job as a pension and somewhere to go to stop me splashing cash (especially as I won't get much pension when/if I retire)
I freelance on the side as well from time to time, just jobs I like and it helps with the rent.
I posted as I thought that the disparity was a big no no these days and that there'd be something I could quote to HR and my manager.
Cheers everyone, lots of bits of food for thought.
croyde said:
Mr Pointy said:
Recognise how little the company values you & stop being taken for granted. Take your breaks, don't correct her work, get in just before your start time & leave on time at the end. Do what you are contracted to do but don't put yourself out - when people come to you at the start of a project start directing them to her.
Basically don't be a willing doormat.
My thoughts exactly.Basically don't be a willing doormat.
Not a doormat so much, just proud of my work.
Was freelance for 30 years so still have the mindset of 'You are only as good as your last job' thus sloppy work meant no one booking you than starve.
If you are worth more, go find another job where your ability is more fairly compensated.
If you can show equal work (or work of the same value) and equivalent qualification/experience etc. then your employer may well be in breach of the equalities act.
https://www.acas.org.uk/equal-pay
I’d tread very carefully, as there would seem to be many places for the employer to wriggle. And this would likely mark your card (but if you’re retiring soon, do you care).
I’d ask once, and then look for alternate employment rather than go legal.
https://www.acas.org.uk/equal-pay
I’d tread very carefully, as there would seem to be many places for the employer to wriggle. And this would likely mark your card (but if you’re retiring soon, do you care).
I’d ask once, and then look for alternate employment rather than go legal.
Sheetmaself said:
Why do you think you deserve better pay just because someone else is on more?
Find your own value, show this to your manager adn see if he agrees or not. Dependant on his reaction you know where you stand with your performance.
He agrees with me wholeheartedly, it's just the buck stops with management. No one has had a yearly payrise since the company started 3 years ago (foreign owned)Find your own value, show this to your manager adn see if he agrees or not. Dependant on his reaction you know where you stand with your performance.
I'm not sure why some posters are jumping in to be derogatory, I'm just asking advise but I keep forgetting that PH is very different these days.
So there seems to be no precedents for being paid less than my less experienced co worker despite my superior talent
and the fact that everyone comes to me when there's a problem or a new project to be sorted.The looks of disappointment on their faces if the new project is when I'm away are something to behold.
So no easy answers, just was wondering and as I said further up, thanks all for your inputs.
Cheers everyone.
I didn’t mean to be derogatory but can see why over the internet it probably didn’t come across as intended.
What I mean is you can’t change what other people get, you can change what you get so focus on you. Give them no option but to see your worth. And if they don’t see it then start looking for someone who does.
All the best.
What I mean is you can’t change what other people get, you can change what you get so focus on you. Give them no option but to see your worth. And if they don’t see it then start looking for someone who does.
All the best.
If they won't sanction pay rises, could your boss agree to reduced hours for the same money?
Might sit well with freelance and approaching retirement too.
I certainly wouldn't be doing the extra hours and fixing the other person's work.
You could leave a copy of your CV on the printer and take the odd random afternoon off to enhance the management thinking process?
Might sit well with freelance and approaching retirement too.
I certainly wouldn't be doing the extra hours and fixing the other person's work.
You could leave a copy of your CV on the printer and take the odd random afternoon off to enhance the management thinking process?
sociopath said:
Others will disagree, and it's your job, but when I was in that situation once I explained to my boss that I understood the situation, however I would be looking for alternate employment and pay commensurate with my experience.
Once they saw I was serious it was resolved rapidly.
I still left anyway, if they weren't rent going to play nicely, then neither was I
I agree with this and also OP, in an age where gender / age / race / regilious / sexuality based discriminations are all illegal, then under no circumstances should the principle of "equal pay for equal work" be overlooked. You're performing the same role, and seeing as they aren't going to cut her pay, they must raise yours. Meet with HR and highlight the related UK Employment law on this and the case recently relating to age-based discrimination (I don't follow these so don't have details).Once they saw I was serious it was resolved rapidly.
I still left anyway, if they weren't rent going to play nicely, then neither was I
But ultimately, I'd say they don't seem to be valuing you as an employee and another firm is probably a better fit. Especially with high inflation.
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