Is this employer request unreasonable?

[cashmax]

Sy1441 said:

Super Sonic said:

So a) you think it's funny - I Said I found the thread amusing.
b) you don't care wether she gets
sacked. - I didn't say that if you read back, I was giving my advice.

I bet you're a great manager - I am thanks, and a pretty effective multi organisation director also if my P&L's are to be believed.

Powerfully built multi organisation director no doubt too.

Although your advice suggests a huge amount of naivety around people dynamics - you suggested she refuses to do it and that would invoke two possible outcomes - a) She is "left alone" b) she gets fired. The reality of this and many other similar situations is that if she was to do as you advise, the only certainty is that neither of your predicted outcomes would be likely to occur.

[InformationSuperHighway]

Muzzer79 said:

Hammersia said:

ZedLeg said:

Hammersia said:

Muzzer79 said:

If one of my staff's Dad turned up to discuss an employment situation, I wouldn't let him in the front door.

It's a mobile phone shop. Not the headquarters of Goldman Sachs.

Context.

It doesn't matter, you shouldn't interfere with your child's work.

It's not work though is it. It's your child being bullied.

Of course it's work. What is it if it isn't work.......it's her job for heaven's sake?!

And she's not a child. How many times.......


When I was 18, I started my first job. After 3 months, I was stitched up by management and ended up leaving, not through my own volition. The circumstances were actually not too dis-similar to the OP's daughter's story.

To an 18 year old, this was a big deal - It hit my confidence.....It was a hard lesson in the world not being a friendly place sometimes.

I complained to HR. I complained to management, to the M.D in fact. But I'd only been there a short time, so had no employment rights. I therefore left.

What I didn't do was get my Mummy down there to give them a piece of her mind. Nor did she ask to. She was outraged (as was my father) and offered me sage advice in trying to deal with it, but it was all me dealing with them and all me dealing with the consequences.
I wouldn't have had it any other way and would do the same again.

Totally agree, also these are huge life lessons and career moments. Whatever she ends up doing further on in life, she will learn so much from this.

Companies and their employees can be amazing as well as terrible. As a grown adult you're going to meet both and have to deal with them.

[Wacky Racer]

If it was my daughter I would not be happy at all.

Difficult situation, if she refuses to pick this man up, it could be awkward when she is working with him in the shop all day.

I would definitely not do it unless the company paid for the extra business use cover and all petrol expenses.

Why can't this bloke make his own way to work ffs?

[craigjm]

So….. OP what was the eventual outcome? Has she been told to pick this guy up more than the once?

[cashmax]

craigjm said:

So….. OP what was the eventual outcome? Has she been told to pick this guy up more than the once?

She picked him up. (sadly not apparently a Harry Styles lookalike) The next day, she told her manager that she wouldn't do it again so not to ask. I am lead to believe that her manager accepted that and agreed not to.

[craigjm]

cashmax said:

craigjm said:

So….. OP what was the eventual outcome? Has she been told to pick this guy up more than the once?

She picked him up. (sadly not apparently a Harry Styles lookalike) The next day, she told her manager that she wouldn't do it again so not to ask. I am lead to believe that her manager accepted that and agreed not to.

Good outcome

[PurpleTurtle]

cashmax said:

craigjm said:

So….. OP what was the eventual outcome? Has she been told to pick this guy up more than the once?

She picked him up. (sadly not apparently a Harry Styles lookalike) The next day, she told her manager that she wouldn't do it again so not to ask. I am lead to believe that her manager accepted that and agreed not to.

Good result.

I can’t recall if your daughter emailed the HR department in the end? If she did, presumably they’ve had a word in this manager’s ear and told her not to be such a colossal ahole in future?

[vikingaero]

Years ago. Mrs V had a Monday to Friday contract with a high street department store with separate staff for weekends. She was increasingly being asked to cover weekends, due to sickness, staff not turning up because of a heavy Saturday night, the store not bothering to recruit because it saved them money. For about 8 months she ended up working 7 day weeks and leave was constantly denied.

I mentioned it to a friend of mine who practiced employment law. Being a retail store it was easy to ambush the manager. I attended with my friend, identified myself as Mr V. and my friend handed the manager a letter from his firm informing the manager that Mrs V. would no longer be working weekends unless he wanted to appear before a tribunal.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I know it wasn't really the point of the thread, but regarding insurance I thought the normal understanding of this was commuting to a single place of work in a day/shift rather than only ever working in one place? I.e. not doing deliveries or moving between work sites as part of the job.

[vaud]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I know it wasn't really the point of the thread, but regarding insurance I thought the normal understanding of this was commuting to a single place of work in a day/shift rather than only ever working in one place? I.e. not doing deliveries or moving between work sites as part of the job.

Per the AA:

Business car insurance policies fall under the following classes:

Class 1 – This covers driving between multiple places of work or occasional travel to meet clients. Class 1 insurance could include a care worker who drives to visit patients, but it wouldn't cover you for deliveries or door-to-door sales. It may also cover your spouse – but check the policy to be sure.
Class 2 – This offers the same as Class 1 but includes an additional named driver, who'll usually work for the same business. As with Class 1, deliveries and door-to-door selling aren't covered.
Class 3 – This is the most expensive class and usually covers unlimited long distance driving and door-to-door selling.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

vaud said:

Per the AA:

Business car insurance policies fall under the following classes:

Class 1 – This covers driving between multiple places of work or occasional travel to meet clients. Class 1 insurance could include a care worker who drives to visit patients, but it wouldn't cover you for deliveries or door-to-door sales. It may also cover your spouse – but check the policy to be sure.
Class 2 – This offers the same as Class 1 but includes an additional named driver, who'll usually work for the same business. As with Class 1, deliveries and door-to-door selling aren't covered.
Class 3 – This is the most expensive class and usually covers unlimited long distance driving and door-to-door selling.

Yeah it was the commuting side that I was curious about though. I'd taken a "single place of work" to mean driving somewhere, doing a day's work there and driving home but not necessarily the same place every day. OPs daughter is still commuting to a single place of work when she goes to the other shop, different from say driving between multiple sites or between different client meetings.

[vaud]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Yeah it was the commuting side that I was curious about though. I'd taken a "single place of work" to mean driving somewhere, doing a day's work there and driving home but not necessarily the same place every day. OPs daughter is still commuting to a single place of work when she goes to the other shop, different from say driving between multiple sites or between different client meetings.

The only way to tell is to explain the scenario to the insurer and let them determine was class is needed. I don't think the price difference is that large between class 1 and 2.