E60 V10 with E90 V8 manual gearbox

E60 V10 with E90 V8 manual gearbox

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E30M3SE

8,398 posts

146 months

warsteiner///M3

154 posts

141 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Guvernator said:
Err, didn't the E60 V10 come with a manual gearbox in the US? Shirley it would be easier to find out what they used\did in that or alternatively just import one.
i thought the manual gearbox fitted to some u.s. v10's, was the same e90 m3 gearbox as i've used....?

i had to make a part/spacer that fits between the release bearing and the clutch fingers.
the spacer that comes with the v10 clutch, doesn't fit the m3 release bearing.
making the part just seemed easier/quicker/cheaper than waiting for the u.s. part to turn up

bmthnick1981

5,271 posts

166 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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warsteiner///M3 said:
Guvernator said:
Err, didn't the E60 V10 come with a manual gearbox in the US? Shirley it would be easier to find out what they used\did in that or alternatively just import one.
i thought the manual gearbox fitted to some u.s. v10's, was the same e90 m3 gearbox as i've used....?

i had to make a part/spacer that fits between the release bearing and the clutch fingers.
the spacer that comes with the v10 clutch, doesn't fit the m3 release bearing.
making the part just seemed easier/quicker/cheaper than waiting for the u.s. part to turn up
I believe it is.

Well done on an excellent project, please post a full post/review in readers rides once complete.

ADM06

1,077 posts

122 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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warsteiner///M3 said:
yep,
i've fitted the e90 m3 manual gearbox to the v10 on my current gearbox.

That's cool as fk but it just doesn't look right. There's too much of an age gap between the car and engine.

krisdelta

4,070 posts

151 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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That's going to surprise a few people biggrin good work!

Guvernator

11,003 posts

115 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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warsteiner///M3 said:
i thought the manual gearbox fitted to some u.s. v10's, was the same e90 m3 gearbox as i've used....?

i had to make a part/spacer that fits between the release bearing and the clutch fingers.
the spacer that comes with the v10 clutch, doesn't fit the m3 release bearing.
making the part just seemed easier/quicker/cheaper than waiting for the u.s. part to turn up
Really? Sidn't know that but I guess it makes sense. At any rate my response was more aimed at the OP who was asking if\how it could be done and since BMW have done all the hard work for this already in the shape of the US only manual M5, I thought I'd direct him in that direction, rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.

Very cool project by the way. What have you done to the suspension setup to counteract the weight of that big beast of a V10 up front?

mat205125

15,768 posts

163 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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andygtt said:
I know someone has fitted the V10 into an E46 M3 and used the manual box you mention, probably because getting the electronics to work would have been more expensive and complex than the rest of the conversion lol
Who? What? Where? How?

What's that ou say!!!!

How much!

Where do I sign?

ady702

376 posts

97 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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mat205125 said:
andygtt said:
I know someone has fitted the V10 into an E46 M3 and used the manual box you mention, probably because getting the electronics to work would have been more expensive and complex than the rest of the conversion lol
Who? What? Where? How?

What's that ou say!!!!

How much!

Where do I sign?
Guessing that is Phil?

http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects...


warsteiner///M3 - have you got a build thread? thats going to be awesome!

magpie21

472 posts

138 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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warsteiner///M3 said:
yep,
i've fitted the e90 m3 manual gearbox to the v10 on my current gearbox.

That is fantastic, do you have a build thread anywhere? I would love to know more.

Great effort

Contigo

3,044 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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I can't even begin to imagine the sort of power to weight that will have! EPIC will not being to describe it. I hope you've uprated the suspension, stoppers and chassis to cope with the spine shattering torque that the V10 puts out!


Contigo

3,044 posts

159 months

TotalZ4

72 posts

97 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Contigo said:
I can't even begin to imagine the sort of power to weight that will have! EPIC will not being to describe it. I hope you've uprated the suspension, stoppers and chassis to cope with the spine shattering torque that the V10 puts out!
Done properly with a few tweeks it will make an M6 look slow!

warsteiner///M3

154 posts

141 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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magpie21 said:
That is fantastic, do you have a build thread anywhere? I would love to know more.

Great effort
ady702 said:
warsteiner///M3 - have you got a build thread? thats going to be awesome!
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=184887

you may have to register, if your not a member, but that will only take a few moments.

magpie21

472 posts

138 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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warsteiner///M3 said:
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name=Forums&amp...

you may have to register, if your not a member, but that will only take a few moments.
WOW eek

The workmanship going into this is incredible, well worth registering to see all of the effort that has gone into it. I am hugely envious of your skills. Can't wait to see a video of it when its started.

Congratulations clap

johnnybegood

Original Poster:

149 posts

110 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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getting back on topic how hard of a job is this and can the box handle the power.

Cheburator mk2

2,517 posts

149 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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johnnybegood said:
getting back on topic how hard of a job is this and can the box handle the power.
The box can easily take the power - it is making the v10 fit around things like steering rack, radiators etc, which will be challenging. Then you have the small matter of coding the V10 to work with 6the spd box and not to look for the SMG box when you press the "Start Engine" button. You can solve the latter by fitting a Pectel ECU, but that is not cheap either. This is not a job for a DIY-er, unless you are super good with spanners and have access to a proper garage with fabricating equipment...

johnnybegood

Original Poster:

149 posts

110 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Cheburator mk2 said:
The box can easily take the power - it is making the v10 fit around things like steering rack, radiators etc, which will be challenging. Then you have the small matter of coding the V10 to work with 6the spd box and not to look for the SMG box when you press the "Start Engine" button. You can solve the latter by fitting a Pectel ECU, but that is not cheap either. This is not a job for a DIY-er, unless you are super good with spanners and have access to a proper garage with fabricating equipment...
Sorry I meant fitting the v8 box to the v10 while it remains in the e60 shell so just the box swap.

Guvernator

11,003 posts

115 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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johnnybegood said:
Sorry I meant fitting the v8 box to the v10 while it remains in the e60 shell so just the box swap.
Lol, this has already been answered in this thread.

Yes the V8 box will work and take the power as others have done it and it's whats fitted to manual M5's in the US.

You need to either get a part made up or imported from the US to mate the release bearing to the clutch.