1M - A few questions?
Discussion
Having loved my CSL (even though I was the one who lost it in a car park for two weeks), am I making a mistake trying to substitute it with a 1M? if I take the plunge, will my residuals be hampered by acquiring one WITHOUT Sat Nav? And on the subject of prices, will they stay as strong as the CSL did (and still seems to do)? Thoughts would be appreciated.
I havent driven a CSL but a few of the guys on 1addicts have owned one at some point and are all very happy with their 1M's. IMO getting one without sat nav, might impact slightly on residuals, if you wanted to sell it back to a dealer, but not as much as say an x5 without sat nav. I wasn't goin to get one with it but now i think it's brilliant!Good luck with your decision.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
Cotswold Hereford have a 17K mile VO for £37K, of the cars on the AUC ssite the most expensive are £40K, one with only 2K miles.
Cotswold Hereford have a 17K mile VO for £37K, of the cars on the AUC ssite the most expensive are £40K, one with only 2K miles.
Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 15th October 14:26
When you're looking, watch out for the ex-press cars that are now appearing after being sold by BMW UK to the dealer network. Many are on dealer forecourts and they are not forthcoming about it! Prices are not reflective of their history either. See here for an example... http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74...
Reg numbers you need to watch out for are:
YH11 GOX
YH11 GKY
YH11 MJK
YH11 OHR
YH11 NUE
YH11 GPF
YH11 FXC
YH11 HDJ
YH11 FAU
YH11 NUE
As for the Sat Nav thing. I ordered mine basic, completely box fresh apart from BMWP grilles and pedals. When I Came to sell I had no problem shifting it. Buy on the mileage and history, not on options.
Reg numbers you need to watch out for are:
YH11 GOX
YH11 GKY
YH11 MJK
YH11 OHR
YH11 NUE
YH11 GPF
YH11 FXC
YH11 HDJ
YH11 FAU
YH11 NUE
As for the Sat Nav thing. I ordered mine basic, completely box fresh apart from BMWP grilles and pedals. When I Came to sell I had no problem shifting it. Buy on the mileage and history, not on options.
Great Pretender said:
I honestly cannot understand why anyone would buy a 1M over a 997 C2S. Truly baffling.
Much lower running costs. 5yr servicing included. 30mpg. Bonkers and usable(!) power that starts very low in the rev range that would scare a C2S half to death. Only 450 ever made so you get kudos and won't be tripping over other owners overtime you even think about entering a City. Nobody will look at you or call you a w
ker when you get out of it at a petrol station. The list goes on...kmpowell said:
Great Pretender said:
I honestly cannot understand why anyone would buy a 1M over a 997 C2S. Truly baffling.
Much lower running costs. 5yr servicing included. 30mpg. Bonkers and usable(!) power that starts very low in the rev range that would scare a C2S half to death. Only 450 ever made so you get kudos and won't be tripping over other owners overtime you even think about entering a City. Nobody will look at you or call you a wker when you get out of it at a petrol station. The list goes on...I accept that Bimmer servicing/warranty side of things make them very attractive cars, but otherwise, I'm lost.
I can still remember the look on the salesman's face when I told him I thought the 123d was a better package, after I drove his black 1M demo. I thought he was going to cry!
Porker so much more of an event to drive.
Great Pretender said:
I thought the 123d was a better package, after I drove his black 1M demo.
The fact you think a 123d is a better (and comparable) package to a 1M, means any viewpoint I give (even though I've owned owned both a 120d coupe and 1M coupe) will be completely lost on you.Horses for course, but your conclusion beggars belief.
kmpowell said:
Great Pretender said:
I thought the 123d was a better package, after I drove his black 1M demo.
The fact you think a 123d is a better (and comparable) package to a 1M, means any viewpoint I give (even though I've owned owned both a 120d coupe and 1M coupe) will be completely lost on you.Horses for course, but your conclusion beggars belief.
Great Pretender said:
I'm not mad! I just think that for the money, there are far better cars out there and the 123d at a fraction of the price, is IMO the best 1 series. Of course it's mad to compare them both as equals, but I'd be most interested to see what cars buyers of the 1M considered before taking the plunge.
It's a fraction of the price because it's a fraction of the car! A 1M is more than just a 1 Coupe with a big engine in it, that's the 135i. It has half of the M3 parts bin on it, resulting in a package that is truly unique. Live with one and you'll see why it's been hailed by most of the motoring press as one of the greatest M cars of all time. It's by FAR the best car I've ever owned, and as an all rounder it's quite simply superb, I miss it deeply.I considered a Cayman and RS3, nothing else even came close, and after driving those two options they fell short of the 1M by a long way.
kmpowell said:
It's a fraction of the price because it's a fraction of the car! A 1M is more than just a 1 Coupe with a big engine in it. It has half of the M3 parts bin on it, resulting in a package that is truly unique. Live with one and you'll see why it's been hailed by most of the motoring press as one of the greatest M cars of all time. It's by FAR the best car I've ever owned, and as an all rounder it's quite simply superb, I miss it deeply.
And I can see the appeal of it as an all-rounder, but the M3 (for example) offers far more as a package, by virtue of the increased space and that engine.kmpowell said:
I considered a Cayman and RS3, nothing else even came close, and after driving those two options they fell short of the 1M by a long way.
Hmmmm, well the RS3 I can agree with straight off; the Cayman, largely depends on which flavor you considered. Personally, anything less than the R is too mild for me, but any of them are a great steer.It's the price of the 1M that gets me. If it was mid thirties new, then I'd understand, but at £45k+ with options, it was just madness!
In my humble opinion...
Great Pretender said:
but the M3 (for example) offers far more as a package, by virtue of the increased space and that engine.
10-15mpg. Costly servicing. Residuals that fell off a cliff and are still falling. Having to ring it's neck because all the power is at the top of the rev range. No thanks.Great Pretender said:
the Cayman, largely depends on which flavor you considered. Personally, anything less than the R is too mild for me, but any of them are a great steer.
S doesn't even come close. R is too 'hardcore' to live with day-to-day, and again all the power is at the top of the powerband, which is useless in everyday real-world driving where the 1M murders it.Great Pretender said:
It's the price of the 1M that gets me. If it was mid thirties new, then I'd understand, but at £45k+ with options, it was just madness!
Price is irrelevant, it's overall cost of ownership that counts. I sold mine for circa what I paid for it. Residuals are rock solid and with the very limited numbers there doesn't appear to be any sign of that changing.kmpowell said:
Great Pretender said:
but the M3 (for example) offers far more as a package, by virtue of the increased space and that engine.
10-15mpg. Costly servicing. Residuals that fell off a cliff and are still falling. Having to ring it's neck because all the power is at the top of the rev range. No thanks.Great Pretender said:
the Cayman, largely depends on which flavor you considered. Personally, anything less than the R is too mild for me, but any of them are a great steer.
S doesn't even come close. R is too 'hardcore' to live with day-to-day, and again all the power is at the top of the powerband, which is useless in everyday real-world driving where the 1M murders it.Great Pretender said:
It's the price of the 1M that gets me. If it was mid thirties new, then I'd understand, but at £45k+ with options, it was just madness!
Price is irrelevant, it's overall cost of ownership that counts. I sold mine for circa what I paid for it. Residuals are rock solid and with the very limited numbers there doesn't appear to be any sign of that changing.
Can't argue with the TCO; if you got back what you paid then well done you. Not often that happens on a new car.
But still, costs aside...
Why not a C2S? Because I've had one, loved it, paid for the experience and ticked the box. In fact the only car that has ever interested me other than our friends from Stuttgart was the CSL but the prices for those cars at nearly 10 years old and ragged to death are just madness. The points KMPowell make are the exact ones that lead me to think that the 1M will, in 2 years time, be worth much more than an M3/C2S bought for the same price today.
I've owned both a CSL and currently a 1M. I don't think you'll be disappointed as the performance of the 1M is just fantastic and is fun to drive in all conditions, mine is a daily driver and it's a fun car to drive all the time. It feels light weight and indeed compared to a new M3 it is, and once you get used to the turbo rush it is immense fun. If you get a DMS remap then 415/475 and 25 to 30 mpg is damned hard to beat
Options wise, I would go for satnav and the harmon kardon stereo and heated seats. Also go for manual seats rather than electric as they will sit lower in the car giving you a better driving position.
I'm going to sell mine soon as I need to do more miles with work and am loathe to put them on the 1M, so a new 330d M Sport will be on its way soon. PM me if you could be interested or if you want some more advice
Options wise, I would go for satnav and the harmon kardon stereo and heated seats. Also go for manual seats rather than electric as they will sit lower in the car giving you a better driving position.
I'm going to sell mine soon as I need to do more miles with work and am loathe to put them on the 1M, so a new 330d M Sport will be on its way soon. PM me if you could be interested or if you want some more advice
kmpowell said:
Great Pretender said:
but the M3 (for example) offers far more as a package, by virtue of the increased space and that engine.
10-15mpg. Costly servicing. Residuals that fell off a cliff and are still falling. Having to ring it's neck because all the power is at the top of the rev range. No thanks.Obviously this is just my personal view, but if the 1M has been available with just a big NA engine, I probably wouldn't have bothered.
As for the 1M, mine like TerryB's car have had the DMS remap and it makes the car stonkingly fast! The standard car is no slouch by any stretch, but mapped, you have plenty of power and torque that will upset a lot of other performance cars.
Back on the original question of "CSL vs. 1M", someone I know has a CSL and has now driven a standard 1M. He said the following:
"It felt very similar [to the 1M] actually however the CSL engine is something else. I just think the turbo engine would be better for the road.
The longer chassis was the only noticble difference [of the CSL] and i think the CSL probably puts the power down far better. The 1M felt figity but great fun.
I'd say the 1m is more of a fun performance car and the CSL was all out performance - however didn't get long enough in the 1m to give you a detailed comparison. Plus, the seats in the CSL are great for 30 minutes but then they are a bit of a chore."
1M best all round car I've ever owned and deeply miss mine now it's gone. It's very much got the X factor and a very rare sight on UK roads, brilliant all round car, go for it I say..... all the best and enjoy
Jonny F said:
Having loved my CSL (even though I was the one who lost it in a car park for two weeks), am I making a mistake trying to substitute it with a 1M? if I take the plunge, will my residuals be hampered by acquiring one WITHOUT Sat Nav? And on the subject of prices, will they stay as strong as the CSL did (and still seems to do)? Thoughts would be appreciated.
Great Pretender said:
I'm not mad! I just think that for the money, there are far better cars out there and the 123d at a fraction of the price, is IMO the best 1 series. Of course it's mad to compare them both as equals, but I'd be most interested to see what cars buyers of the 1M considered before taking the plunge.
Picking up on the above question, in all honesty, I was struggling to find something comparable. As I've mentioned on this site a few times, I had an Exige 260 but when my wife and I had my daughter, it was getting used less and less. Therefore I needed to change. My criteria was:- Practical (something I could put a baby seat and buggy in).
- Fun / interesting (it had to put a smile on my face).
- Unique (I'd enjoyed having the Exige as you don't see many in the road).
- Solid performer (I didn't want to have anything slower than my Exige).
- It had to be a new car (I've never bought secondhand and wouldn't entertain the prospect of buying a used car).
- Budget around £45k
So I went to the Geneva motorshow to have a look at a few cars.
RS3
Didn't like the look of it (a bit bland) or the fact that you couldn't have it as a manual. It was also a bit gaudy inside with all of that brushed and peppered aluminium.
M3
I actually liked the look of this and decided to test drive one. However I just found it too big having come from my Exige. I didn't feel that it was "fun" and not the sort of car I could hassle along a country lane. I was also put off by the engine as you really did need to work it to make progress. I drove a DCT (manual wasn't available to test) and the way it kicked down the gears when overtaking was a bit annoying as well. Plus they're ten a penny so my "unique" criertia was not met.
Focus RS
I briefly considered one for about 10 seconds before deciding that I don't own a cap I can turn backwards, I don't eat McDonalds and I'm not 18 anymore. Sorry for the stereo-types but living in Essex, I couldn't bring myself to replace my Lotus with a Ford!
Various Hot Hatches
The Megane, Vauxhall, etc all felt like a step down from my Exige and again they are ten a penny.
Buy a Caterham / keep the Exige and buy a cheap run-around
I'd love another Caterham or to have kept the Exige, but as my cars are mainly used at weekends, I couldn't justify having two cars (three if you include my wife's). As we tend to go out as a family during the weekend, the Exige / Caterham would have been used even less unfortunately. Plus I don't have space at the moment for three cars.
Porsche Boxster / Cayman
Again, they are pretty common around my way plus both are slower than my Exige. I also would have struggled with the baby seat!!
Golf R
I liked the idea of having a turbo, but it was simply too slow.
I can't remember at looking at any other cars that I could have bought new. The 1M ticked all of the boxes and I'm really happy with my decision.
Sorry OP if I've gone off topic, but if you can, go and drive a 1M. I personally think that BMW hit the nail on the head with this one!
Edited by ChrisBuer on Tuesday 16th October 08:28
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