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Mintbird said:
E30M3SE said:
You don't rate him then?
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
What should I be asking for an immaculate accident free 12/86 E30 M3 AK05 car. 117k kms but no service records but totally rust free..AC and dogleg box. only mods are stainless steel exhaust and one very high quality repaint (scratches etc).
Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
Mintbird said:
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.
and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
It's genuinely quite interesting to hear a different view on him, as all I've ever had or heard of is great experiences. Not necessarily in respect of the numbers on the chart, but in terms of on circuit performance.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
The dyno @ Ninemeister in Warrington (which is the one I assume the 2 x RS' you mention where mapped on) was known to be quite happy.
His now own dyno in Rossendale is widely regarded to be just plain miserable in terms of putting out cheerful numbers.
However, in my personal and close friends experience - the quality of his work has always been second to none. I would not let anyone else map a car of mine.
Matter88 said:
Mintbird said:
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.
and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
It's genuinely quite interesting to hear a different view on him, as all I've ever had or heard of is great experiences. Not necessarily in respect of the numbers on the chart, but in terms of on circuit performance.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
The dyno @ Ninemeister in Warrington (which is the one I assume the 2 x RS' you mention where mapped on) was known to be quite happy.
His now own dyno in Rossendale is widely regarded to be just plain miserable in terms of putting out cheerful numbers.
However, in my personal and close friends experience - the quality of his work has always been second to none. I would not let anyone else map a car of mine.
Paracetamol said:
What should I be asking for an immaculate accident free 12/86 E30 M3 AK05 car. 117k kms but no service records but totally rust free..AC and dogleg box. only mods are stainless steel exhaust and one very high quality repaint (scratches etc).
Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
No service history....... I'd say its only worth about £15k...... Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
When can I come and collect
Paracetamol said:
What should I be asking for an immaculate accident free 12/86 E30 M3 AK05 car. 117k kms but no service records but totally rust free..AC and dogleg box. only mods are stainless steel exhaust and one very high quality repaint (scratches etc).
Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
Would you be interested in a TVR Cerbera and cash? Thinking of selling because she is too clean to keep and I am nervous about driving her any more as she's almost irreplaceable!
How can someone own a 117k (k) M3 without any service records? What's the actual story?
As for Wayne, I had my 993 mapped with him. He doesn't claim big figures, but improvements. Before and after results is where it's at, and how it drives after. I have never heard of the two engines blowing up as mentioned, is there actual evidence of detonation being the cause and what was his response when asked to comment ?
Very easy for rumour to be misrepresented with mapping and mappers. Wayne typically gets nothing but good reviews, however of course even the best can and will make mistakes but detonating a n/a car to bits would take some doing given the thousands of similar cars already mapped by him.
As for Wayne, I had my 993 mapped with him. He doesn't claim big figures, but improvements. Before and after results is where it's at, and how it drives after. I have never heard of the two engines blowing up as mentioned, is there actual evidence of detonation being the cause and what was his response when asked to comment ?
Very easy for rumour to be misrepresented with mapping and mappers. Wayne typically gets nothing but good reviews, however of course even the best can and will make mistakes but detonating a n/a car to bits would take some doing given the thousands of similar cars already mapped by him.
NAS90 said:
200Plus Club said:
How can someone own a 117k (k) M3 without any service records? What's the actual story?
Looking at the photo that picture was taken in the Middle East, probably UAE, so i'd guess at a Japan importMy own experience has been great but European sensibilities often cannot get over the lack of records. I frequently travel to classic car shows etc and I have yet to see a nicer early E30 M3. The other nice thing is that these early cars are totally identical to EU cars with dog leg box etc.
I would much rather have a great unrusted and unmolested M3 with few papers than one that has lots of paper work but has been rusty or accident damaged and yet I would expect to get no more than 15% more than the price that most of these dogs are sold for. To my mind you could rebuild the engine and box and mechanicals for what 10k GBP (?) and that leaves you with a perfect interior and straight body (the hardest bits to restore!)
What is galling is when you see Japanese spec cars that have many mods, conventional H pattern box etc and are advertised for more than the equivalent EU car.
My only reason to consider a sale is that the car is actually too good. I no longer have access to air conditioned space to keep it and I worry that the extreme originality it posses may be impacted by the UAE heat.
e30m3Mark said:
Matter88 said:
Mintbird said:
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.
and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
It's genuinely quite interesting to hear a different view on him, as all I've ever had or heard of is great experiences. Not necessarily in respect of the numbers on the chart, but in terms of on circuit performance.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
The dyno @ Ninemeister in Warrington (which is the one I assume the 2 x RS' you mention where mapped on) was known to be quite happy.
His now own dyno in Rossendale is widely regarded to be just plain miserable in terms of putting out cheerful numbers.
However, in my personal and close friends experience - the quality of his work has always been second to none. I would not let anyone else map a car of mine.
Mintbird said:
e30m3Mark said:
Matter88 said:
Mintbird said:
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.
and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
It's genuinely quite interesting to hear a different view on him, as all I've ever had or heard of is great experiences. Not necessarily in respect of the numbers on the chart, but in terms of on circuit performance.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
The dyno @ Ninemeister in Warrington (which is the one I assume the 2 x RS' you mention where mapped on) was known to be quite happy.
His now own dyno in Rossendale is widely regarded to be just plain miserable in terms of putting out cheerful numbers.
However, in my personal and close friends experience - the quality of his work has always been second to none. I would not let anyone else map a car of mine.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=117937&postda...
200Plus Club said:
How can someone own a 117k (k) M3 without any service records? What's the actual story?
It's quite easy, loads of reasons.From personal experience,
You buy a car based on the condition/price etc.
The dealer/owner/seller promises to send you the full history with all the paperwork, but it never arrives.
Buy a car from a deceased estate, car is mint, low owner, history never found.
I don't have the service history for mine. The previous owner got into a spat with the owner before and it was never passed on. I contacted him, explained I was the new owner and was told he had it in storage in Ireland. He now lives in New Zealand and I had hoped he would get it for me when he visited home last Christmas. He didn't. I've been asking for 4 years now so may be time to accept he doesn't have it after all?
Paracetamol said:
Bingo..not uncommon. Jap cars have to be purchased on condition and inspection.
My own experience has been great but European sensibilities often cannot get over the lack of records. I frequently travel to classic car shows etc and I have yet to see a nicer early E30 M3. The other nice thing is that these early cars are totally identical to EU cars with dog leg box etc.
I would much rather have a great unrusted and unmolested M3 with few papers than one that has lots of paper work but has been rusty or accident damaged and yet I would expect to get no more than 15% more than the price that most of these dogs are sold for. To my mind you could rebuild the engine and box and mechanicals for what 10k GBP (?) and that leaves you with a perfect interior and straight body (the hardest bits to restore!)
What is galling is when you see Japanese spec cars that have many mods, conventional H pattern box etc and are advertised for more than the equivalent EU car.
My only reason to consider a sale is that the car is actually too good. I no longer have access to air conditioned space to keep it and I worry that the extreme originality it posses may be impacted by the UAE heat.
Good friend of mine imported an early spec M3 like yours from Japan,an original low mileage standard car with the dogleg box etc,still the cleanest E30 M3 I've ever seen,unbelievable condition,compared to some of the patched up pooches we viewed in the UK for top money with the all important stack of paperwork it was night and day really.My own experience has been great but European sensibilities often cannot get over the lack of records. I frequently travel to classic car shows etc and I have yet to see a nicer early E30 M3. The other nice thing is that these early cars are totally identical to EU cars with dog leg box etc.
I would much rather have a great unrusted and unmolested M3 with few papers than one that has lots of paper work but has been rusty or accident damaged and yet I would expect to get no more than 15% more than the price that most of these dogs are sold for. To my mind you could rebuild the engine and box and mechanicals for what 10k GBP (?) and that leaves you with a perfect interior and straight body (the hardest bits to restore!)
What is galling is when you see Japanese spec cars that have many mods, conventional H pattern box etc and are advertised for more than the equivalent EU car.
My only reason to consider a sale is that the car is actually too good. I no longer have access to air conditioned space to keep it and I worry that the extreme originality it posses may be impacted by the UAE heat.
e30m3Mark said:
Mintbird said:
e30m3Mark said:
Matter88 said:
Mintbird said:
he is a good mapper, but often use too much advance/timing - 2 964 RS`es had their engine blown after a mapping there.
and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
It's genuinely quite interesting to hear a different view on him, as all I've ever had or heard of is great experiences. Not necessarily in respect of the numbers on the chart, but in terms of on circuit performance.and his numbers are very optimistic, but I guess you wont make many customers if all you eek out is another 10 bhp....
The dyno @ Ninemeister in Warrington (which is the one I assume the 2 x RS' you mention where mapped on) was known to be quite happy.
His now own dyno in Rossendale is widely regarded to be just plain miserable in terms of putting out cheerful numbers.
However, in my personal and close friends experience - the quality of his work has always been second to none. I would not let anyone else map a car of mine.
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=117937&postda...
200Plus Club said:
How can someone own a 117k (k) M3 without any service records? What's the actual story?
As for Wayne, I had my 993 mapped with him. He doesn't claim big figures, but improvements. Before and after results is where it's at, and how it drives after. I have never heard of the two engines blowing up as mentioned, is there actual evidence of detonation being the cause and what was his response when asked to comment ?
Very easy for rumour to be misrepresented with mapping and mappers. Wayne typically gets nothing but good reviews, however of course even the best can and will make mistakes but detonating a n/a car to bits would take some doing given the thousands of similar cars already mapped by him.
I excitedly took a freshly built stroker S50 race motor to Wayne to be mapped in an E36 I race.As for Wayne, I had my 993 mapped with him. He doesn't claim big figures, but improvements. Before and after results is where it's at, and how it drives after. I have never heard of the two engines blowing up as mentioned, is there actual evidence of detonation being the cause and what was his response when asked to comment ?
Very easy for rumour to be misrepresented with mapping and mappers. Wayne typically gets nothing but good reviews, however of course even the best can and will make mistakes but detonating a n/a car to bits would take some doing given the thousands of similar cars already mapped by him.
When I asked him pre session what he felt it would do, he said;
"I'll promise you one thing - it'll make a lot of noise"
Needless to say it made some decent numbers and does the job. He won't get into numbers, and as you say focuses on improvements.Paracetamol said:
...and to think i asked how much my M3 should sell for a thread titled E30 M3 prices??? the irony 
If it was mine I would be looking for mid to high 40's or thereabouts. I would also do whatever I could to put some sort of service history together by getting a bit Columbo and tracing previous owners, supplying dealer, BMW archive etc etc. Basically hunt out anything and everything in relation to your car.Paracetamol said:
...and to think i asked how much my M3 should sell for a thread titled E30 M3 prices??? the irony
Hard to say. It's nearly all down to condition. Looking prices, £30-35k for running cars that need a bit of work. £50K for very clean base models that require next to no work.Gassing Station | M Power | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff