E30 M3 prices

[Paracetamol]

Finally..thanks for some intelligent comments that dont relate to Porsche 911s.

I did find some history info in Japan. I guess I should send the car over and have Munich Legends fully check it over and bring it up to the best standard. The condition and the way it drives suggestes that it has been really taken care of..

[e30m3Mark]

Paracetamol said:

Finally..thanks for some intelligent comments that dont relate to Porsche 911s.

I did find some history info in Japan. I guess I should send the car over and have Munich Legends fully check it over and bring it up to the best standard. The condition and the way it drives suggestes that it has been really taken care of..

Absolutely. An appraisal by independent specialists is also going t help prospective buyers.

[Mintbird]

200Plus Club said:

Still not seen any evidence to suggest his mapping blew two 911 engines up.

Back to M3 talk however... that build diary was a great read for the track prepped car. If my lottery win comes in as promised...

he did, first hand info from one of the most respected engine builders in the Uk. anyway not here to pick a fight/slander. just the truth. Like I said, good mapper but too agressive on the timing/advance sometimes leading to detonation.

[houlbt]

Mintbird said:

carry on then...

Each to their own, personally I’ve only got good things to say about Wayne - hes mapped all my E30 M3 race cars except one (and that was a costly error on my part) . Say what you will but he is respected as the go to person for S14 engines in motorsport and that didnt happen by accident.

Furthermore my cars go there with technicians who know the cars, build the engines and watch every step he takes... i would hope if he was below par it would be picked up on.

[Mintbird]

houlbt said:

Mintbird said:

carry on then...

Each to their own, personally I’ve only got good things to say about Wayne - hes mapped all my E30 M3 race cars except one (and that was a costly error on my part) . Say what you will but he is respected as the go to person for S14 engines in motorsport and that didnt happen by accident.

Furthermore my cars go there with technicians who know the cars, build the engines and watch every step he takes... i would hope if he was below par it would be picked up on.

for the sake of balance I`ll repeat myself yet again , he is a good mapper - but there are stories. not helped by the fact that he has cooperated closely with Ninemeister for donkeys years - of whom I have a very low opinion - google is your friend.

Edited by Mintbird on Saturday 14th July 14:27

[E30M3SE]

...and back to M3 prices.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...





£65K

[200Plus Club]

Mintbird said:

he did, first hand info from one of the most respected engine builders in the Uk. anyway not here to pick a fight/slander. just the truth. Like I said, good mapper but too agressive on the timing/advance sometimes leading to detonation.

Sorry to revert back to this, E30 guys, but just because you claim you have "first hand info" you have just slandered/libelled (no expert)
Wayne and stated it's the truth without giving him an opportunity to contest or correct your opinion. I'd suggest you keep it off the forums and particularly the E30 M3 prices thread.

[CaymANTH]

E30M3SE said:

...and back to M3 prices.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

£65K

Nice car, colour, spec, miles etc but from memory this isn't a real Europemeister is it? It's an 87 for starters and not Macau Blue. Wasn't the plaque an optional extra on this car or something?

[silentbrown]

CaymANTH said:

Nice car, colour, spec, miles etc but from memory this isn't a real Europemeister is it? It's an 87 for starters and not Macau Blue. Wasn't the plaque an optional extra on this car or something?

More details here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

ad said:

This particular car, VIN WBSAK010002191039, is number 30 of only 50 "Tourenwagen Europameister" limited editions built to celebrate the European Touring Car Championship win of Winni Vogt and Altfrid Heger, whose signatures feature on the numbered dash plaque.

Although it is documented in specialist books and catalogues, this edition is not as well known in E30 M3 circles as other more prominent (and hence more expensive) limited editions.
Indeed, there is some confusion regarding the exact nature of the edition:
- According to some sources, all 50 examples were white with tricolour Mortorsport stripes.
However, this example is Lachs Silver and another one is Diamond Black (web link on request).
Interestingly, both these silver and black examples have the "940 Special Request Equipment" option, which either signals the limited edition package and plaque, or perhaps the special colour departing from the usual white.
- According to some sources, it was a dealership edition commissionned by Hamburg dealer Adolf Werner. According to others, it is a factory edition of which the Adolf Werner dealership ordered 10 examples in white, the other 40 out of 50 being possibly in all colours. We need an E30 M3 archeologist to uncover the details!

[Rich_W]

silentbrown said:

CaymANTH said:

Nice car, colour, spec, miles etc but from memory this isn't a real Europemeister is it? It's an 87 for starters and not Macau Blue. Wasn't the plaque an optional extra on this car or something?

More details here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

ad said:

This particular car, VIN WBSAK010002191039, is number 30 of only 50 "Tourenwagen Europameister" limited editions built to celebrate the European Touring Car Championship win of Winni Vogt and Altfrid Heger, whose signatures feature on the numbered dash plaque.

Although it is documented in specialist books and catalogues, this edition is not as well known in E30 M3 circles as other more prominent (and hence more expensive) limited editions.
Indeed, there is some confusion regarding the exact nature of the edition:
- According to some sources, all 50 examples were white with tricolour Mortorsport stripes.
However, this example is Lachs Silver and another one is Diamond Black (web link on request).
Interestingly, both these silver and black examples have the "940 Special Request Equipment" option, which either signals the limited edition package and plaque, or perhaps the special colour departing from the usual white.
- According to some sources, it was a dealership edition commissionned by Hamburg dealer Adolf Werner. According to others, it is a factory edition of which the Adolf Werner dealership ordered 10 examples in white, the other 40 out of 50 being possibly in all colours. We need an E30 M3 archeologist to uncover the details!

See, my concern here is that the seller is also the same person that invented the " At 100,001 miles the timing chain will destroy the engine" myth. back in around 03/04 I was told it was "literally impossible to get even a car needing loads of work for less than £15-20K"

Yet my very nice '91 with 72k and total history was £8,4.

So basically anything he says should be treated with suspicion.

[Deptford Draylons]

It's really just a badge edition car, that I can't see why is worth much more, if anything, over the stock M3. I certainly wouldn't pay more than £5K over for this car.
Looks fairly clean, but seen far nicer stock 215bhp cars for £20K less.

[E30M3SE]

Rich_W said:

silentbrown said:

CaymANTH said:

Nice car, colour, spec, miles etc but from memory this isn't a real Europemeister is it? It's an 87 for starters and not Macau Blue. Wasn't the plaque an optional extra on this car or something?

More details here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

ad said:

This particular car, VIN WBSAK010002191039, is number 30 of only 50 "Tourenwagen Europameister" limited editions built to celebrate the European Touring Car Championship win of Winni Vogt and Altfrid Heger, whose signatures feature on the numbered dash plaque.

Although it is documented in specialist books and catalogues, this edition is not as well known in E30 M3 circles as other more prominent (and hence more expensive) limited editions.
Indeed, there is some confusion regarding the exact nature of the edition:
- According to some sources, all 50 examples were white with tricolour Mortorsport stripes.
However, this example is Lachs Silver and another one is Diamond Black (web link on request).
Interestingly, both these silver and black examples have the "940 Special Request Equipment" option, which either signals the limited edition package and plaque, or perhaps the special colour departing from the usual white.
- According to some sources, it was a dealership edition commissionned by Hamburg dealer Adolf Werner. According to others, it is a factory edition of which the Adolf Werner dealership ordered 10 examples in white, the other 40 out of 50 being possibly in all colours. We need an E30 M3 archeologist to uncover the details!

See, my concern here is that the seller is also the same person that invented the " At 100,001 miles the timing chain will destroy the engine" myth. back in around 03/04 I was told it was "literally impossible to get even a car needing loads of work for less than £15-20K"

Yet my very nice '91 with 72k and total history was £8,4.

So basically anything he says should be treated with suspicion.

VIN Deocder said:

VIN WBSAK010002191039

Type Code 1001

E Series E30 ()

Series 3

Type LIM

Model M3 (EUR)

Steering LL

Doors 2

Engine S14

Displacement 2.30

Power 162

Drive HECK

Transmission MECH

Colour LACHSSILBER METALLIC (203)

Upholstery (0203)

Prod. Date 1987-11-13
Available upgrades
Vehicle options

L812A National version Great Britain

S222 ELEKTRONISCHE-DAEMPFER-CONTROL

S289A BMW light alloy wheel BMW styling

S301A Alarm system

S401A Lift-up-and-slide-back sunroof, electric

S410A Window lifts, electric, front

S415A Sun-blind, rear

S485 RECARO-SITZE FUER FAHRER+BEIFA

S510A Headlight vertical aim control

S530A Air conditioning

S540A Cruise control

S551A On-board computer II with remote control

S681A Roof antenna

S853A Language version, English

S860A Additional turn indicator lamp

S940A special equipment BMW Individual

S979 VELOURS-FUSSMATTEN VORN UND HI

If it was a commission by a German Dealer then why is this car a GB Version car with GB literature/language? Pretty much pi%&es on that theory.

[silentbrown]

E30M3SE said:

If it was a commission by a German Dealer then why is this car a GB Version car with GB literature/language? Pretty much pi%&es on that theory.

Well, that's only one of the theories.

"The car was ordered in GB-spec by an Englishman living in France, where the car was registered for its first year before being imported to the UK in 1988"

Ties in with cazana.com giving 1st registered date of Sept 1 '88 - and also shows it for sale at £72K in Feb.

[Mintbird]

200Plus Club said:

Mintbird said:

he did, first hand info from one of the most respected engine builders in the Uk. anyway not here to pick a fight/slander. just the truth. Like I said, good mapper but too agressive on the timing/advance sometimes leading to detonation.

Sorry to revert back to this, E30 guys, but just because you claim you have "first hand info" you have just slandered/libelled (no expert)
Wayne and stated it's the truth without giving him an opportunity to contest or correct your opinion. I'd suggest you keep it off the forums and particularly the E30 M3 prices thread.

not slander if its true you imbelice. jog on. I wont be replying any further.

[houlbt]

Mintbird said:

200Plus Club said:

Mintbird said:

he did, first hand info from one of the most respected engine builders in the Uk. anyway not here to pick a fight/slander. just the truth. Like I said, good mapper but too agressive on the timing/advance sometimes leading to detonation.

Sorry to revert back to this, E30 guys, but just because you claim you have "first hand info" you have just slandered/libelled (no expert)
Wayne and stated it's the truth without giving him an opportunity to contest or correct your opinion. I'd suggest you keep it off the forums and particularly the E30 M3 prices thread.

not slander if its true you imbelice. jog on. I wont be replying any further.

If you are going to chuck insults then get the spelling right or you just look like an imbecile.

200+ is perfectly correct that state that you are indeed stating second hand information which you cannot therefore validate from your own personal experience ... which is dodgy ground to start with and it is unreasonable to make these accusations without giving the other party the chance to defend themselves.

Did Wayne blow up one of your engines?

Have you personally met him, seen him at work and/or witnessed (first hand) anything to support your accusations?

I have personally met him, seen him at work and have had multiple BMW race engines (lose count but must be over 20) mapped by him. I’ve also had a rebuilt and tweaked 993RS engine mapped by him.

Additionally if you walk around the paddock for any event in the UK with BMW powered cars from the 80s/90s/00s and you will find more are mapped by him than anyone else. Funny thing reputation isn't it.

... edited to add >>> this reputation comes almost entirely from word of mouth too, the guy doesnt advertise or plaster himself all over social media. Got to respect that. <<<

Edited by houlbt on Wednesday 18th July 22:36

[Rob747]

Mintbird said:

not slander if its true you imbelice. jog on. I wont be replying any further.

Might want to check the dictionary for Libel vs. Slander there ace....

I’m sure we’ll all miss your thoughtful and considered opinions on this thread.

Enjoy your jog.

[200Plus Club]

Oh the irony of that post lol. In stitches...

E30 talk only from me now ignore the Muppet guys.

[surgical]

Hi!

Back to E30 talk ! lol ...

I went to see the sport evolution at Silverstone
Nice car..decent-ish paint job..not perfect but head turning car..
cost 11 grand..330h of labour apparently..saw the bills..

was sitting nicely next to merc 2.5 evolution 2 cosworth... perfect garage!
estimate 85-95k,,,wondering what the final price would be.....

[CaymANTH]

Pleased you mentioned the paint job. I was going to go for this car but couldn't offload another car in time and would kick myself if it went for the lower end of the guide price or less. With the write up it's had, I'd either expect mint original paint or a perfect repaint. I'm going to guess it will go for £100k plus costs. Might still go for that CLK Black Series on Sunday afternoon though......

[Deptford Draylons]

The Sport Evo briefly gets a mention and look over on Harry's Garage auction review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPXbt75Yw1U