Prospective M4 GTS owners discussion forum

Prospective M4 GTS owners discussion forum

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breadvan

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1,985 posts

167 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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OK, I might be only one here judging by the other thread but I really like this car and I'm happy to throw my hat in the ring.

Rather than views on the car, I would like to hear other prospective owners views on what they are ordering and the rather long wait until next June when it's out.

I have a deposit down but as yet no confirmed car, how are you finding it?

Kananga

1,079 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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breadvan said:
I have a deposit down but as yet no confirmed car...
+1

Just confirmed my order today. Will be interesting to see how the allocation process works...

JMBMWM5

2,283 posts

197 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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Buy a GTR, half the price and twice the performance.
Any tuned M4/3 will make 500+ BHP for half the money, joke car.

Leins

9,416 posts

147 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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Kananga said:
Just confirmed my order today. Will be interesting to see how the allocation process works...
What changed?:

Kananga said:
Not meaning to rant, just think it is a bit of a shame. The M4 GTS is overpriced and doesn't even look that good. frown

DB77

207 posts

146 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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JMBMWM5 said:
Buy a GTR, half the price and twice the performance.
Any tuned M4/3 will make 500+ BHP for half the money, joke car.
Interesting perspective given no-one on here has actually driven one. Its very easy to look at power output of many cars and argue you can get more for your money. However, its the (potentially minor) changes to chassis, suspension, etc. that will define whether the GTS is worth the asking price. But that will only appeal to people who track their cars and are sufficiently competent to exploit the improvements - which I expect rules out most buyers of performance cars. Of course, there is an element of marketing / what the market will bear and you will pay a premium for exclusivity on a car like the GTS.

Anyway, I think the OP explicitly didn't want this to descend into a debate about the merits of the GTS so I will stop there.

Personally, I am interested in the GTS but would be reluctant to place a deposit before testing one - unfortunately I don't expect that will be possible.

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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So are you guys in this for tracking the car, or as a potential investment opportunity?

JMBMWM5

2,283 posts

197 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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DB77 said:
Interesting perspective given no-one on here has actually driven one. Its very easy to look at power output of many cars and argue you can get more for your money. However, its the (potentially minor) changes to chassis, suspension, etc. that will define whether the GTS is worth the asking price. But that will only appeal to people who track their cars and are sufficiently competent to exploit the improvements - which I expect rules out most buyers of performance cars. Of course, there is an element of marketing / what the market will bear and you will pay a premium for exclusivity on a car like the GTS.

Anyway, I think the OP explicitly didn't want this to descend into a debate about the merits of the GTS so I will stop there.

Personally, I am interested in the GTS but would be reluctant to place a deposit before testing one - unfortunately I don't expect that will be possible.
Sorry OP, I did not mean to detract from your position of purchase, I feel strongly that BMW are taking advantage and limiting numbers and hiking the price of a car that they have invested little in.
Good luck with the deal, it should hold a good RV regardless.

Babw

886 posts

145 months

Saturday 17th October 2015
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JMBMWM5 said:
orry OP, I did not mean to detract from your position of purchase, I feel strongly that BMW are taking advantage and limiting numbers and hiking the price of a car that they have invested little in.
Good luck with the deal, it should hold a good RV regardless.
Couldn't agree further.

If anything I think there should be a separate discussion forum for prospective owners of cars being purchased purely for investment purposes with no thought of driver enjoyment.

Having driven an M4 (and a Litchfield M4) numerous times you don't have to be a chassis guru to realise that with the improvement the GTS has over the M4 the price is a total ripoff and purely aimed at the limited number/investor market.

Kananga

1,079 posts

155 months

Saturday 17th October 2015
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Leins said:
What changed?
Sorry! In my rush I confused this with my thread on M2/M4GTS.

I had confirmed my M2 order on Thurs. Not keen on the GTS myself but certainly looks to be special and v limited production!

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 17th October 2015
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Babw said:
JMBMWM5 said:
orry OP, I did not mean to detract from your position of purchase, I feel strongly that BMW are taking advantage and limiting numbers and hiking the price of a car that they have invested little in.
Good luck with the deal, it should hold a good RV regardless.
Couldn't agree further.

If anything I think there should be a separate discussion forum for prospective owners of cars being purchased purely for investment purposes with no thought of driver enjoyment.

Having driven an M4 (and a Litchfield M4) numerous times you don't have to be a chassis guru to realise that with the improvement the GTS has over the M4 the price is a total ripoff and purely aimed at the limited number/investor market.
Each to his own but over £120K for a restyled M3? Not me, especially if, going on BMW's history, it won't be that well built and will be hugely expensive to run.


breadvan

Original Poster:

1,985 posts

167 months

Saturday 17th October 2015
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Got it, all of it, thanks.

Wills2

22,666 posts

174 months

Sunday 18th October 2015
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I think this car is much more than an m4 with a remap, it's a thoroughly engineered solution that runs round the ring as quickly as a GT3RS 4.0/12c in 4 series! Of course we'll have to wait for the reviews and yes it's not cheap but neither was the 110k GTS back in 2010, I'd take mine in black and swap the wheels for some HREs.

Launch / Availability
•700 units worldwide (300 for the U.S.)
•Four colors available: Sapphire Black metallic, Mineral Grey metallic, Alpine White and Frozen Dark Grey Metallic

Engine•3.0L Turbo 6 Cylinder (S55)
•493 bHP (500 HP) (16% increase over standard M4) @ 6250 RPM
•442 lb-ft torque (10% increase over standard M4) @ 4000-5500 RPM
•6.5 lbs/hp weight-to-power ratio
•0-60 mph: 3.7 sec
•Top speed: 189.5 mph (governed)
•Water Injection System for enhanced cooling

Water Injection System•First in a production road car
•Achieves similar levels of cooling found in the standard M4
•Water injected as fine spray into intake manifold where it evaporates, lowering intake air temperature (by additional 80° F) and reducing final compression temperature in combustion chamber, thus minimizing risk of knock and allowing higher boost pressure and advanced spark timing.
•3 water injectors in the intake plenum chamber each supplying water to 2 cylinders, for uniform distribution.
•1.3 gallon water tank, water pump, sensors, valves all housed in trunk underfloor
•Pump supplies water to injectors at approximately 145 psi.
•Water injection quantity varies depending on load, engine speed and temperature, keeping water consumption to a minimum.
•Maintenance free except for top ups
•The BMW M water injection system is equipped with a sophisticated self-diagnosis system. If the water tank runs dry, or in the event of a system malfunction, appropriate measures are taken to protect the engine.
•When engine is turned off, all water in hose system is drained into the tank to prevent system components from icing up.
•Frost-proof water tank
•See full press release below for more technical discussions of the water injection system

Lightweight Design•DIN curb weight of 3329 pounds (ECE curb weight: 3,494 lbs)
•CFRP hood approximately 25% lighter than aluminum hood of standard M4
•Air outlet on hood optimizes airflow and reduces lift at front axle
•CFRP instrument panel support
•Lightweight CFRP rear spoiler wing, attached to trunk by CNC milled aluminum supports - can be set to 3 positions
•CFRP adjustable front splitter lip - can be set in two positions for road or track
•CFRP rear diffuser
•CFRP single-piece driveshaft is even lighter than that of the standard M4
•Bucket-style M sports seats in Alcantara (including lightweight backrests with cut-outs)
•New, asymmetrically styled lightweight center console (in between seats) shaves around 30% off the weight of corresponding component in standard M4
•Rear seat delete. Area now trimmed in glass-fiber-reinforced plastic (GFRP) with a carbon sandwich bulkhead to the rear
•Door panel trim and rear side panel trim with modified design geometry and special lightweight construction with renewable natural materials reduce weight by 50% compared to standard components
•Door release pull loops replace conventional door handles

Suspension System•Three-way adjustable coilover suspension
•Mechanically adjustable compression and rebound settings, with precise independent adjustment of low-speed and high-speed compression.
•Anti-roll bars and support mounts are matched to the significantly increased engine power

Steering•Adapted to the BMW M4 GTS
•No elastic section in M4 GTS steering column for improved feedback
•Steering torque curve optimized by modifications to the front suspension kinematics and incorporating asymmetric steering support mounts and a motorsport-derived, custom-designed, milled swivel bearing which allows optimized axle geometry for lateral dynamics and steering torque.
•Swivel bearing also allows the use of 9.5 inch wide front wheels
•Front camber set to minus degree setting for increased cornering lateral forces
•Higher damper clamp with the ball joint in the front axle support mount results in substantially increased camber stiffness and provides faster response to lateral forces, which is already enhanced by the wider wheels (19 inch front wheels / 20x10.5 inch rear).

Tires / Wheels•Mixed-size Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires (front: 265/35 R19; rear: 285/30 R20)
•Forged machined-polished M Star (Style 666M) wheels in Acid Orange
•19-inch front wheels (9.5 J x 19) and 20-inch (10.5 J x 20) rear wheels

Other Technical Highlights•7 minutes 28 second lap time on the Nürburgring-Nordschleife
•Lightweight titanium rear silencer/exhaust (20% weight reduction over standard steel exhaust)
•7 Speed M DCT transmission
•Active M Differential specially adapted to enhanced performance of M4 GTS
•DSC and ABS systems configured for BMW M4 GTS's increased performance and three-way coilover suspension
•M Carbon Ceramic Brakes?Modified rear brake system of M4 GTS features modified specifications for improved friction coefficient
?Front brake guards adapted to improve ventilation


Interior•Alcantara M Steering wheel with perforated stripe in Acid Orange
•Alcantara trim with perforated Acid Orange GTS badge
•New alcantara center console in asymmetric design and lightweight construction
•Handbrake lever gaiter in alcantara with contrast stitching
•Rear seats replaced by glass-fiber-reinforced plastic (GFRP) shelf, combined with a rear panel made in a carbon-fiber sandwich construction
•Roll bar made from high-strength steel, painted in Acid Orange
•Fire extinguisher fitted behind front seats



Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 18th October 13:18

breadvan

Original Poster:

1,985 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Well, apparently all the cars have been allocated and I've not heard anything yet so no car for me. Anyone else luckier?

CRA1G

6,499 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th October 2015
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breadvan said:
Well, apparently all the cars have been allocated and I've not heard anything yet so no car for me. Anyone else luckier?
Not herd they have been allocated yet.? Do they still have your deposit.? I spec'd a car and paid a deposit a while back and still waiting to here..

breadvan

Original Poster:

1,985 posts

167 months

Wednesday 28th October 2015
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CRA1G said:
Not herd they have been allocated yet.? Do they still have your deposit.? I spec'd a car and paid a deposit a while back and still waiting to here..
My dealer says a bulletin went out a couple of days ago saying all 29 (?) customers have now been contacted.

You know they don't do it in yellow...... wink

CRA1G

6,499 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th October 2015
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breadvan said:
My dealer says a bulletin went out a couple of days ago saying all 29 (?) customers have now been contacted.

You know they don't do it in yellow...... wink
Oh that Dosn't sound good then as i'v not been contacted....! rage


May be they thought I my paint it yellow..... biglaugh


Love that number you had on your breadvan... Did you sell it with the car?




breadvan

Original Poster:

1,985 posts

167 months

Wednesday 28th October 2015
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CRA1G said:
Love that number you had on your breadvan... Did you sell it with the car?
No, kept it for while because at the time I was looking for a S54, eventually sold it to Jonttt (you may know him) who put it on his lovely S54 convertible.



I just hope these cars have gone to other BMW fans like us and not just speculators.

I'm trying to understand how the allocation process unfolded, if you hear anything drop me a PM, it may help with the M2 CSL. beer

rosino

1,346 posts

171 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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I'd be really curious if you asked nicely if they could avoid drilling the boot to fit the halfords wing. Then with the wheels painted satin grey could actually look ok.

Also did I read the press release right that you could have back seats if not going for the clubsport package ?

I asked the sales head at the dealer where I put the deposit down for the M2 and he told me they didn't have any clue about the car as was all managed directly by BMW UK on the basis of registered interest.

To be frank. If they do a follow up vanilla special version with the M3 like they did last time (can't remember what they called it) taking some elements of the GTS like water cooling, coil over suspension and other tricky stuff but without the naff wing not wheels it could be an awesome car.

rosino

1,346 posts

171 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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M3 CRT. That was it. Genius if they do the same.

breadvan

Original Poster:

1,985 posts

167 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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rosino said:
I'd be really curious if you asked nicely if they could avoid drilling the boot to fit the halfords wing. Then with the wheels painted satin grey could actually look ok.

Also did I read the press release right that you could have back seats if not going for the clubsport package ?

I asked the sales head at the dealer where I put the deposit down for the M2 and he told me they didn't have any clue about the car as was all managed directly by BMW UK on the basis of registered interest.

To be frank. If they do a follow up vanilla special version with the M3 like they did last time (can't remember what they called it) taking some elements of the GTS like water cooling, coil over suspension and other tricky stuff but without the naff wing not wheels it could be an awesome car.
The best solution would be to buy a replacement boot lid and keep the factory version for re-sell but it would ruin the aero and I guess you could refirb the wheels but like you say, better to wait for the Competition Pack which is already doing the rounds - (credit - Bimmerpost)