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tenmantaylor said:
I've asked but got no answers. BMW would make a sizeable amount more per year if most people took out new warranties I imagine...
I can't describe how happy I am with the car, it really is a pure joy to drive in all situations. Even at low speeds it's so well behaved. It can pull away in 2nd if need be, doesn't bog down, can go from 3rd to 6th under 40 no problem. It's like there's nothing wrong with it, something I find hard to come by. Trust me, I'm a fussy bugger. This excellence in performance and behaviour is clearly paid for with a lack of efficiency however. If they could partially electrify rather than turbo charge this engine to make it more efficient and boost the lower mid torque before it comes on song it would have everything youd ever need or want in an engine. Admit it F80 drivers, you miss the high end!
Great buy. I can't describe how happy I am with the car, it really is a pure joy to drive in all situations. Even at low speeds it's so well behaved. It can pull away in 2nd if need be, doesn't bog down, can go from 3rd to 6th under 40 no problem. It's like there's nothing wrong with it, something I find hard to come by. Trust me, I'm a fussy bugger. This excellence in performance and behaviour is clearly paid for with a lack of efficiency however. If they could partially electrify rather than turbo charge this engine to make it more efficient and boost the lower mid torque before it comes on song it would have everything youd ever need or want in an engine. Admit it F80 drivers, you miss the high end!
You sound like you might appreciate a supercharger which would transform the driving experience monster low end power with manic top end what's not to like
I'm sure I would love it from a pure performance point of view but my electrification suggestion was to supplement torque under normal driving to reduce fuel consumption without killing the experience pressing on. Wouldn't be possible to do this as an add on, I'm imagineering my perfect e92 m3 without changing the engine's breathing. Would probably involve ERS braking, plug in charging and a new lightweight battery technology that doesn't exist yet.
tenmantaylor said:
I'm sure I would love it from a pure performance point of view but my electrification suggestion was to supplement torque under normal driving to reduce fuel consumption without killing the experience pressing on. Wouldn't be possible to do this as an add on, I'm imagineering my perfect e92 m3 without changing the engine's breathing. Would probably involve ERS braking, plug in charging and a new lightweight battery technology that doesn't exist yet.
What's your view on length of time you will keep this car? tenmantaylor said:
Probably until the miles I've put on are causing value to depreciate or I can no longer afford to fill her up. I suspect it will hold it's value if kept as mint and original as possible up to about 50k. Not interested in doing anything major to it, it's plenty fast and fun as it is.
Are these in theory 9.0 seconds to 100mph?Welshbeef said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Autocar tested the manual at 10.5 to 100mph iirc.
So stock - straight line - an E55K stock would show it a clean pair of heels. It is just faster than the C5 RS6 to the 100mph despite only 2 wheel drive. Isn't the F30 M3 an 8 second car?
These are truly great cars, over 2 years on and i still find huge please in driving mine.
Sad that we will no longer see engines like these anymore in M cars,
Nick Murray had his for 4 years I believe, had his F80 for just over a year. Read into what that you will, but imo a lot of owners of the current gen aren't as impressed as with the E9x gen. I am biased though to be fair
Sad that we will no longer see engines like these anymore in M cars,
Nick Murray had his for 4 years I believe, had his F80 for just over a year. Read into what that you will, but imo a lot of owners of the current gen aren't as impressed as with the E9x gen. I am biased though to be fair
limited slippp said:
These are truly great cars, over 2 years on and i still find huge please in driving mine.
Sad that we will no longer see engines like these anymore in M cars,
Nick Murray had his for 4 years I believe, had his F80 for just over a year. Read into what that you will, but imo a lot of owners of the current gen aren't as impressed as with the E9x gen. I am biased though to be fair
It's hard to compare different generations of M car they were all great in their comparative era. Sad that we will no longer see engines like these anymore in M cars,
Nick Murray had his for 4 years I believe, had his F80 for just over a year. Read into what that you will, but imo a lot of owners of the current gen aren't as impressed as with the E9x gen. I am biased though to be fair
F30 v E92 v E46 v E36 Evo
The last two had barely any difference in BHP/tonne then the V8 leaped forward and was a lot quicker but some say losing out in certain areas v the E46/36 and hen the F30 is in an utterly different league of speed vs the E92.
Which is the best? Who cares it's great to have the choice at all those different budget points. And here's hoping production keeps ramping up to stop the needless super high prices for old "classics" which barely anyone can justify or afford to buy.
Apart from not being able to afford an F80 yet I'm so glad I've got to experience owning BMW's last NA V8 engine. And that's the key word; experience. Not the numbers. Yes, turbo is more efficient and faster but ringing the neck of this high speed V8 once she's warmed up is just mind blowing. There are situations where I know my old 330d auto would catch the M3 out and beat it on constant availability of a huge slug of torque but that's not the point. It's the feel, the sound, the vibrations, the resonations that make it so special. Wish I could garage it and use as a weekend car.
Going to take her to Castle Combe track day on Fri 29th Sep to open her up a bit more. Turns out one of my friends has an e90 M3 DCT so we can compare notes on the day!
Going to take her to Castle Combe track day on Fri 29th Sep to open her up a bit more. Turns out one of my friends has an e90 M3 DCT so we can compare notes on the day!
Smuler said:
https://youtu.be/aWxdaEJMTwU
This video is my favorite analysis of the E92 M3, his is a manual and @ 30:19 he says of the shifter it's "f**** garabage" but although I drove DCT first, back to back with a ZF in a M135i - and found the DCT distinct from even a very good auto , superior, amazing, like having a racing driver make shifts for me - I was smiling far more after my test of a manual. All 90 miles way home. I just enjoy changing gears, because it feels more involving.
Struggling to find a manual in my color/miles/spec I opted for a DCT in the 335i, influenced no doubt by that original M3 test drive. Good? For sure, better than ordinary auto? Yes;
But when it was in the garage, and I had manual loaners I just enjoyed changing gears.
I know now after having a DCT that on a daily basis I'd miss changing gears, so manual from now on.
I mostly agreed with him until he mentioned the rod bearings.This video is my favorite analysis of the E92 M3, his is a manual and @ 30:19 he says of the shifter it's "f**** garabage" but although I drove DCT first, back to back with a ZF in a M135i - and found the DCT distinct from even a very good auto , superior, amazing, like having a racing driver make shifts for me - I was smiling far more after my test of a manual. All 90 miles way home. I just enjoy changing gears, because it feels more involving.
Struggling to find a manual in my color/miles/spec I opted for a DCT in the 335i, influenced no doubt by that original M3 test drive. Good? For sure, better than ordinary auto? Yes;
But when it was in the garage, and I had manual loaners I just enjoyed changing gears.
I know now after having a DCT that on a daily basis I'd miss changing gears, so manual from now on.
It's a job for any competent mechanic.
I replaced mine back in February purely as preventative maintenance.
Patrick Bateman said:
Not sure about that, I'd be wanting someone who's done the job a few times. Not cheap either.
Great if you can do it yourself but how many potential owners can?
I've never done the job either.Great if you can do it yourself but how many potential owners can?
Any competent mechanic should be able to do this, this is coming from someone who has done the job themselves rather than heresay.
jamoor said:
I've never done the job either.
Any competent mechanic should be able to do this, this is coming from someone who has done the job themselves rather than heresay.
I don't doubt that. it's more in reality, faced with needing them replaced, who would you actually trust with a job like that if not doing it yourself?Any competent mechanic should be able to do this, this is coming from someone who has done the job themselves rather than heresay.
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