Have You Ordered The F90 M5?

[Amizade]

JMBMWM5 said:

IF we don't get deal on Brexit, the prices of ALL imported German Cars will increase a lot, you can forget big discounts those days will have long gone.

On the plus side the UK market is very large for German manufacturers - but at the rate this is going and the apparent muppetry on display, I can't help feeling we're going to get shafted in the medium/long term.

But, it could work in our favour - they might have to bring out post-Brexit spec M5/RS6/E63s - no climate, sat-nav, rugs, electric windows - wishful thinking, but we could end up with Cup/CSL spec cars - on the other hand...that's never going to happen & we're all doomed !

[Andy M]

Evo’s conclusion:

At a few hundred quid shy of £90k, the M5 aligns almost exactly with the AMG E63 S. It’s clearly the car that BMW set out to beat, and they haven’t quite managed it. It doesn’t have the engine character and better steering feel would improve the car in all scenarios. It’s an step on in many ways from the previous model, and a very good M5, but the Mercedes is more appealing.

Source: http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m5/20439/new-bmw-m5-revie...

Glad I placed my order for a new E63s but consider it a shame if - like the M3 - BMW appear to have fallen behind the competition.

Edited by Andy M on Monday 4th December 08:53

[ant123456]

The new e63s looks awesome, can't wait for the values to drop a bit so I can buy one myself. Estate version for me though, not keen on new M5 at all.

[Wills2]

Andy M said:

Glad I placed my order for a new E63s but consider it a shame if - like the M3 - BMW appear to have fallen behind the competition.

Edited by Andy M on Monday 4th December 08:53

Fallen behind? The M3/4 has won more more tests than it has lost....

[Andy M]

Wills2 said:

Fallen behind? The M3/4 has won more more tests than it has lost....

Only now, 3 years since launch, is the M3/4 (specifically the Competition Pack LCI) regarded by the press to be the car 'it should have been' and able to compete with the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio and Mercedes C63s.

The 2015 model M3 I drove was an absolute pig, ridiculously tail happy even compared to my M5.

[w8pmc]

Andy M said:

Evo’s conclusion:

At a few hundred quid shy of £90k, the M5 aligns almost exactly with the AMG E63 S. It’s clearly the car that BMW set out to beat, and they haven’t quite managed it. It doesn’t have the engine character and better steering feel would improve the car in all scenarios. It’s an step on in many ways from the previous model, and a very good M5, but the Mercedes is more appealing.

Source: http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m5/20439/new-bmw-m5-revie...

Glad I placed my order for a new E63s but consider it a shame if - like the M3 - BMW appear to have fallen behind the competition.

Edited by Andy M on Monday 4th December 08:53

To be honest, Top Gear swayed the other way & put the F90 ahead, as did CarWow, so guess as expected the various rags allegiances come to the for.

Fortunately, a slight bias by EVO isn't going to sway me to cancel my order, however i will given how well the E63S has been rated take a closer look before my build slot is locked down.

[Andy M]

w8pmc said:

To be honest, Top Gear swayed the other way & put the F90 ahead, as did CarWow, so guess as expected the various rags allegiances come to the for.

Fortunately, a slight bias by EVO isn't going to sway me to cancel my order, however i will given how well the E63S has been rated take a closer look before my build slot is locked down.

Speaking personally my bias has always been towards BMW over Mercedes, with the M5 in particular being a ‘must own’.

I was fascinated by the AMG Hammer when I was younger, the Porsche-developed 500E too, but other than that I always preferred the 1 series over the A, the 3 series over the C and the 5 series over the E (the S Class was always in another league to the 7).

But recently BMW M appear to be making questionable decisions. As I’ve stated above, the launch edition M3 was a pig IMO. The M2 is a lovely looking car, but arguably the M240i is the better proposition.

The M5 has had a year to assess and better its closest competitor (the E63s) but appears to be only 0.1sec faster over 1/4 mile (though, the E63s was timed on a British airfield, the M5 on a Spanish race circuit) and a reporter who I respect (John Barker) believes the Mercedes to be the better car.

And as regards desirability, the new M5 should be in its honeymoon period, but to many it appears the E63s is the preferred choice (hardly scientific, I know...):



Let’s face it - neither is a bad car. Given how much I’ve enjoyed my M5, if the new M5 were launched slightly earlier I’d probably not even have bothered looking at the competition and would happily have given BMW my money.

But having checked out the competition I’m glad I chose the E63s and nothing I’ve seen or read has made me regret that decision.

[w8pmc]

Andy M said:

Speaking personally my bias has always been towards BMW over Mercedes, with the M5 in particular being a ‘must own’.

I was fascinated by the AMG Hammer when I was younger, the Porsche-developed 500E too, but other than that I always preferred the 1 series over the A, the 3 series over the C and the 5 series over the E (the S Class was always in another league to the 7).

But recently BMW M appear to be making questionable decisions. As I’ve stated above, the launch edition M3 was a pig IMO. The M2 is a lovely looking car, but arguably the M240i is the better proposition.

The M5 has had a year to assess and better its closest competitor (the E63s) but appears to be only 0.1sec faster over 1/4 mile (though, the E63s was timed on a British airfield, the M5 on a Spanish race circuit) and a reporter who I respect (John Barker) believes the Mercedes to be the better car.

And as regards desirability, the new M5 should be in its honeymoon period, but to many it appears the E63s is the preferred choice (hardly scientific, I know...):



Let’s face it - neither is a bad car. Given how much I’ve enjoyed my M5, if the new M5 were launched slightly earlier I’d probably not even have bothered looking at the competition and would happily have given BMW my money.

But having checked out the competition I’m glad I chose the E63s and nothing I’ve seen or read has made me regret that decision.

Perhaps, but given the F90 M5 hasn't even been launched & the cars being punted around at the moment are pre-production models & NO customer cars arrive until March next year, the comparison isn't really there yet. Once the M5 hits the streets it will regain some of its stature when real people are driving real cars & the press are testing production models which i believe they'll get their hands on late Jan/early Feb.

When the E63S was launched a year of so ago, i don't recall any coverage to enthusiasm for the model as had that been the case i'd have taken a look. Now it's aged old arch rival is on the horizon the rags smell a race & have paid the E63 more interest (not a bad thing). Although i'll now take a closer look at the E63S Saloon given it appears to be a better car that i expected it to be before my build spot's locked, i personally still think i'll side with the M, as for me it's a known entity having had 2 previous M5 variants & i somewhat prefer the M's styling & BMW's in general, as Mercedes have never jumped out at me as being that interesting to look at (excluding the full fat AMG models).

Agreed though, going to be very little if anything between them & will be interesting to see how Audi react with the C8 RS6. Once you're down at 3.1secs 0-60, how much quicker can a 2 ton car go? (excluding Teslas)

[JMBMWM5]

w8pmc said:

Agreed though, going to be very little if anything between them & will be interesting to see how Audi react with the C8 RS6. Once you're down at 3.1secs 0-60, how much quicker can a 2 ton car go? (excluding Teslas)

More to the point were can you use it?.
It's not a track car...................... so UK roads.

[w8pmc]

JMBMWM5 said:

ore to the point were can you use it?.
It's not a track car...................... so UK roads.

Mine would 100% visit selected tracks, as did my F10 M5.

A fair point though, but the same could be said for my Golf R which i guess is now around 3.7/8 secs to 60 if the blurb is to be believed (& certainly feels insanely rapid). As per my F10 M5, i could exploit the power in small measures & enjoyed it immensely. Things such as M6 Toll GP's, motorway entry & some exciting weekend & early morning A/B road blasts.

Yes, it could be argued that any car with say 150+bhp is more than fast enough for general UK road use, but let's be honest, that's never going to be as much fun as you'd have deploying 600bhp, even if that is only for short bursts.

[JMBMWM5]

w8pmc said:

Mine would 100% visit selected tracks, as did my F10 M5.

A fair point though, but the same could be said for my Golf R which i guess is now around 3.7/8 secs to 60 if the blurb is to be believed (& certainly feels insanely rapid). As per my F10 M5, i could exploit the power in small measures & enjoyed it immensely. Things such as M6 Toll GP's, motorway entry & some exciting weekend & early morning A/B road blasts.

Yes, it could be argued that any car with say 150+bhp is more than fast enough for general UK road use, but let's be honest, that's never going to be as much fun as you'd have deploying 600bhp, even if that is only for short bursts.

Must be my age Paul, I have had oa good Forward Valuation on my M3 CP for March delivery of the new G30 540i M Sport xdrive with "M" performance kit fitted, it should be well quick for what I want.

[w8pmc]

JMBMWM5 said:

ust be my age Paul, I have had oa good Forward Valuation on my M3 CP for March delivery of the new G30 540i M Sport xdrive with "M" performance kit fitted, it should be well quick for what I want.

I'll be honest, my desire for power/speed is starting to diminish somewhat, but the A8/Golf R combo has demonstrated i don't miss it enough yet as needed the thrill of the R to compliment the ample performance & sublime comfort of the A8. The M5 does somewhat offer that balance in a single car & certainly did with the F10, but that had to go & the F90 M5 wasn't even confirmed so had to act quickly & get some wheels.

So many mazing cars available, but all offer up some kind of compromise, however i feel the new F90 m5 will limit that & offer all i need for now.

Will it be my last fast car? certainly not as the Turbo S itch HAS to be scratched, so the 992 will be an almost certainty, however after that i can see me backing down & applying higher levels of sensibility

[jm doc]

w8pmc said:

JMBMWM5 said:

ust be my age Paul, I have had oa good Forward Valuation on my M3 CP for March delivery of the new G30 540i M Sport xdrive with "M" performance kit fitted, it should be well quick for what I want.

I'll be honest, my desire for power/speed is starting to diminish somewhat, but the A8/Golf R combo has demonstrated i don't miss it enough yet as needed the thrill of the R to compliment the ample performance & sublime comfort of the A8. The M5 does somewhat offer that balance in a single car & certainly did with the F10, but that had to go & the F90 M5 wasn't even confirmed so had to act quickly & get some wheels.

So many mazing cars available, but all offer up some kind of compromise, however i feel the new F90 m5 will limit that & offer all i need for now.

Will it be my last fast car? certainly not as the Turbo S itch HAS to be scratched, so the 992 will be an almost certainty, however after that i can see me backing down & applying higher levels of sensibility

You definitely have to scratch that Turbo S itch! I had almost 4 yrs in a 997 TS after several M cars over the last decade and a half, and it was awesome. I think the 992 is definitely better (though not as pretty). Having said that, I am back now in a F10 M5 and probably feel happier though it's difficult to say exactly why. Possibly less worry about costs, and also it's much more of a daily driver and a lot more practical for day to day use for me. Good luck!

[Smacko]

any recent offers from dealers?

[garystoybox]

Smacko said:

any recent offers from dealers?

Not yet, but had regular dealer on phone yesterday re new M5. Launch now put back until end of March, no demo until early April. They have two cars available for late June/July delivery. Clearly implied deals on offer but I didn’t want to discuss as unwilling to consider until i’ve had a day or two in it. Appears not much demand for the product at this stage (in the uk at least).

[w8pmc]

garystoybox said:

Not yet, but had regular dealer on phone yesterday re new M5. Launch now put back until end of March, no demo until early April. They have two cars available for late June/July delivery. Clearly implied deals on offer but I didn’t want to discuss as unwilling to consider until i’ve had a day or two in it. Appears not much demand for the product at this stage (in the uk at least).

Was looking as though the first Customer cars were being pushed back to July/August, however i got the nod 3 weeks ago that the very first batch are still on schedule for April/May delivery. That nicely coincided with me cancelling my order so the next in line with Inchape will now get a pleasant surprise, getting their car 3-4 months earlier than expected.

Was only able to secure 9% discount on a purchase & sudo 11.5% on a lease/contract hire. Not sure anything better than that will arrive before late 2019 at the earliest, given it appears the next few build slots through the rest of 2018 & well into 2019 are taken & the waiting list is currently 12-18mths.

May differ depending on dealer build quota, but that's what Inchape & Bowker are quoting.

May live to regret cancelling my order, but timing not right & better perhaps waiting for the LCI variant, at which time some great deals 'may' become available.

[ST66N]

Andy M said:

Speaking personally my bias has always been towards BMW over Mercedes, with the M5 in particular being a ‘must own’.

I was fascinated by the AMG Hammer when I was younger, the Porsche-developed 500E too, but other than that I always preferred the 1 series over the A, the 3 series over the C and the 5 series over the E (the S Class was always in another league to the 7).

But recently BMW M appear to be making questionable decisions. As I’ve stated above, the launch edition M3 was a pig IMO. The M2 is a lovely looking car, but arguably the M240i is the better proposition.

The M5 has had a year to assess and better its closest competitor (the E63s) but appears to be only 0.1sec faster over 1/4 mile (though, the E63s was timed on a British airfield, the M5 on a Spanish race circuit) and a reporter who I respect (John Barker) believes the Mercedes to be the better car.

And as regards desirability, the new M5 should be in its honeymoon period, but to many it appears the E63s is the preferred choice (hardly scientific, I know...):



Let’s face it - neither is a bad car. Given how much I’ve enjoyed my M5, if the new M5 were launched slightly earlier I’d probably not even have bothered looking at the competition and would happily have given BMW my money.

But having checked out the competition I’m glad I chose the E63s and nothing I’ve seen or read has made me regret that decision.

Having had the 235 and then the M2, the only thing the 235 is the better proposition for is minicab duties or sitting on the motorway. They definitely dropped the ball a bit when they shifted to turbocharging but they have sorted themselves out with the M3/4 CP and the M2.

You have probably made the "right " choice this time because they have had to make the leap to 4wd on this new M5 and there is a chance it will end up getting the CP treatment, but I think M are still making some very good cars.

[DeltaOne]

Drove my E63S for first time in snow today. Shocked at how good it was. Have an M5 on order so in time will be able to compare if anyone is interested, but genuinely impressed by how the E63 handled itself this morning on school run.....as well as all those hideous oversized tractors!!

[PorkInsider]

Andy M said:

And as regards desirability, the new M5 should be in its honeymoon period, but to many it appears the E63s is the preferred choice (hardly scientific, I know...):

‘Hardly scientific’ is somewhat generous.

18k votes, 17.5k of which will have been made by teenagers taking a few minutes break from wking.

[Andy M]

PorkInsider said:

‘Hardly scientific’ is somewhat generous.

18k votes, 17.5k of which will have been made by teenagers taking a few minutes break from wking.

Even if that were the case, and I think you're being unkind to Shmee's audience, I don't believe that renders their opinion on a cars desirability any less relevant than yours or mine.