X1 F48 Tyres issue - No NON run flats available?

[DJMC]

Wife's X1 is with Sytner for its first service at 15k miles.

They report front tyres at 3mm, need changing soon (now in their opinion, as 3mm is safety limit - I agree).

These are 225 50 18 W non run-flats.

The Pirelli P7's currently on it are on back order to December they tell me. £234.84 EACH through them!

I'm struggling to find ANY premium non run flats on the usual tyre sites. BMW advise to stick to the Pirellis to match the rears.

Can anyone offer any advice as to mixing brands on different axles, and why so few non run flats in the market place?

Many thanks.

[DJMC]

My preferred tyre dealer says Pirelli DO NOT make the P7 tyre I have on the car - how can that be?

Phoned Camskill - Jonathan - same answer!!

Only Pirelli PZero or Bridgstone for F48 X1 in BMW * marked (for warranty) non run flats. He recommends the PZero out of the two. £161.15 each. He said BMW are terrible for reneging on warranty claims if a non * marked tyre has been fitted.

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 22 November 12:14

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

Wife's X1 is with Sytner for its first service at 15k miles.

They report front tyres at 3mm, need changing soon (now in their opinion, as 3mm is safety limit - I agree).

These are 225 50 18 W non run-flats.

The Pirelli P7's currently on it are on back order to December they tell me. £234.84 EACH through them!

I'm struggling to find ANY premium non run flats on the usual tyre sites. BMW advise to stick to the Pirellis to match the rears.

Can anyone offer any advice as to mixing brands on different axles, and why so few non run flats in the market place?

Many thanks.

How interesting, I'm in the same situation. Same tyre size, non RFT.
My guy's been in touch with Bridgestone and they have no stock and no due date,
I'd recommend their Turanza as it's what I've had since new, maybe you can get them online?
That's a ridiculous price for Pirelli, sure I was quoted more like £156!!

I think a lot of X1's at least of the M Sport and maybe next trim 'down,' were bought with 19s. there's a dearth of those. that's my explanation.
I've to book in a service with Sytner, so I'll guess I'll have the same issues

My guy would not recommend mixing different brands, using RFTs unless car set up for RFT and he (specifically on X1) wasn't keen on putting tires that were Audi spec.

So it's a wait and see, at the moment.



Edit :- also didn't recommend mixing, which is something I've avoided on all BMWs.
If you did, put new ones on front.
Edit: even kwik sh*t are cheaper

https://www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/search/details/pire...

Edited by Smuler on Wednesday 22 November 12:24

Edited by Smuler on Wednesday 22 November 12:30

[DJMC]

Camskill advised against the Bridgestones due to being hard and skittish - my experience with this brand on my 330ci - but that the PZeros would be better than my current P7s. I had PZero N0 on my 981 Cayman and found them awful, but he said the X1 version will be far better.

I wonder what BMW will do when nobody makes a * marked non run flat for this wheel? There only being two correct tyre models doesn't bode well.

[DJMC]

Oh... and I spoke to BMW UK about mixing. They said it's OK to have two tyres of one approved brand/model on one axle and another brand on the other axle so long as both tyres match when on the same axle. Got his name!

[DJMC]

Smuler said:

How interesting, I'm in the same situation. Same tyre size, non RFT.
My guy's been in touch with Bridgestone and they have no stock and no due date,
I'd recommend their Turanza as it's what I've had since new, maybe you can get them online?
That's a ridiculous price for Pirelli, sure I was quoted more like £156!!

I think a lot of X1's at least of the M Sport and maybe next trim 'down,' were bought with 19s. there's a dearth of those. that's my explanation.
I've to book in a service with Sytner, so I'll guess I'll have the same issues

My guy would not recommend mixing different brands, using RFTs unless car set up for RFT and he (specifically on X1) wasn't keen on putting tires that were Audi spec.

So it's a wait and see, at the moment.



Edit :- also didn't recommend mixing, which is something I've avoided on all BMWs.
If you did, put new ones on front.
Edit: even kwik sh*t are cheaper

https://www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/search/details/pire...

Edited by Smuler on Wednesday 22 November 12:24

Edited by Smuler on Wednesday 22 November 12:30

I'm guessing the Kwik-Fit ones are NOT BMW * marked?

Camskill quoting £161.15 for PZero * marked. 4 days delivery.

Not searched a lot so far, but I guess it's these ones: https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/pirelli/pze...

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 22 November 13:01

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

Oh... and I spoke to BMW UK about mixing. They said it's OK to have two tyres of one approved brand/model on one axle and another brand on the other axle so long as both tyres match when on the same axle. Got his name!

Okay, in the sense it's legal.
I think where my guy's coming from is that it can impact on ride /handling.

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

Camskill advised against the Bridgestones due to being hard and skittish - my experience with this brand on my 330ci - but that the PZeros would be better than my current P7s. I had PZero N0 on my 981 Cayman and found them awful, but he said the X1 version will be far better.

I wonder what BMW will do when nobody makes a * marked non run flat for this wheel? There only being two correct tyre models doesn't bode well.

Long time since I had Pirelli tires, Michelin for me on the M3.
But I've got to rate the Bridgestones. I paid 150£ for the adaptive suspension and don't need it, ride is great.
And I drive the thing hard, so grip is good too.
That's why ideally I want another set.

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

I'm guessing the Kwik-Fit ones are NOT BMW * marked?

Camskill quoting £161.15 for PZero * marked. 4 days delivery.

Not searched a lot so far, but I guess it's these ones: https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/pirelli/pze...

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 22 November 13:01

I'm not sure about Kwik Fit. My guy quoted 156 for Pirelli's in BMW Spec. didn't say the exact tire. But then they too are on back-order.
It's a mess.

[Ranger 6]

DJMC said:

I'm guessing the Kwik-Fit ones are NOT BMW * marked?

Camskill quoting £161.15 for PZero * marked. 4 days delivery.

Not searched a lot so far, but I guess it's these ones: https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/pirelli/pze...

Or these: https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/pir...

Also Contis for a similar price: https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/con...

[DJMC]

Ranger 6 said:

Or these: https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/pir...

Also Contis for a similar price: https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/con...

The Contis are run flats - no good to me.

[DJMC]

Smuler said:

Long time since I had Pirelli tires, Michelin for me on the M3.
But I've got to rate the Bridgestones. I paid 150£ for the adaptive suspension and don't need it, ride is great.
And I drive the thing hard, so grip is good too.
That's why ideally I want another set.

Do you have a link to the Bridgestones on sale?

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

Do you have a link to the Bridgestones on sale?

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/bridgestone/turanza-t001/225/50/R18/W/95/f?tyre=34961957

[DJMC]

Smuler said:

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/bridgestone...

Those aren't BMW * marked? If you put "Specialist Fitment BMW" into the search they don't come up, only the run flat version does.

If you're not bothered about breaking your warranty terms with the above, I quickly found the generic ones at £118: https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details/bridgestone-...

BUT... those have the wrong load index, 95W, according to what's fitted to our X1 which is 99W all round. Mine definitely P7s...





As well as possibly invalidating your warranty depending on the nature of the claim, the wrong load index means your insurance may be invalid too as load index forms part of the manufacturer's spec. I would advise strongly NOT to fit 95W tyres to your X1, only the correct 99W as approved and as BMW * marked. That is of course assuming that my OE 99W tyres, as fitted at the factory, are the correct load index!


It's even more confusing that there's a Turanza T001 in run flat AND a T001 in non run flat...



Taken from: http://www.bridgestone.co.uk/car-tyres/summer-tyre...

Look at the three entries for 225 50 18. Click the PDF to the right for load index 99. You'll see that this is the only * marked one, lower right of the label.

Camskill do have the correct 99W BMW fitment, here: https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b2809s8872p129482/Br...

My local tyre retailer phoned me back to say the P7 is generally a "BMW warranty tyre" explaining that only BMW keep stocks of this OE tyre (the one I have fitted). They have however located three P7s but Pirelli didn't mention to her that PZero are also a correct fitment for BMW!?
Pirelli's website doesn't list a P7 in 225 50 18 99W in non run flat, so apart from the ones fitted to new X1s I don't believe they manufacture this tyre for general sale: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/find-your-...

These are the correct PZeros: https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=11...

So, what have I learned today? There appear to be only two correct aftermarket tyres for a BMW X1 with 18" non run flat tyres.
Pirelli PZero and Bridgestone Turanza T001. The correct fitment is ONLY 225 50 18 99W with the BMW * mark.

Feel free to add any further info anyone. I'm done!!

[Smuler]

DJMC said:

Those aren't BMW * marked? If you put "Specialist Fitment BMW" into the search they don't come up, only the run flat version does.

If you're not bothered about breaking your warranty terms with the above, I quickly found the generic ones at £118: https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details/bridgestone-...

BUT... those have the wrong load index, 95W, according to what's fitted to our X1 which is 99W all round. Mine definitely P7s...





As well as possibly invalidating your warranty depending on the nature of the claim, the wrong load index means your insurance may be invalid too as load index forms part of the manufacturer's spec. I would advise strongly NOT to fit 95W tyres to your X1, only the correct 99W as approved and as BMW * marked. That is of course assuming that my OE 99W tyres, as fitted at the factory, are the correct load index!


It's even more confusing that there's a Turanza T001 in run flat AND a T001 in non run flat...



Taken from: http://www.bridgestone.co.uk/car-tyres/summer-tyre...

Look at the three entries for 225 50 18. Click the PDF to the right for load index 99. You'll see that this is the only * marked one, lower right of the label.

Camskill do have the correct 99W BMW fitment, here: https://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b2809s8872p129482/Br...

My local tyre retailer phoned me back to say the P7 is generally a "BMW warranty tyre" explaining that only BMW keep stocks of this OE tyre (the one I have fitted). They have however located three P7s but Pirelli didn't mention to her that PZero are also a correct fitment for BMW!?
Pirelli's website doesn't list a P7 in 225 50 18 99W in non run flat, so apart from the ones fitted to new X1s I don't believe they manufacture this tyre for general sale: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/find-your-...

These are the correct PZeros: https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=11...

So, what have I learned today? There appear to be only two correct aftermarket tyres for a BMW X1 with 18" non run flat tyres.
Pirelli PZero and Bridgestone Turanza T001. The correct fitment is ONLY 225 50 18 99W with the BMW * mark.

Feel free to add any further info anyone. I'm done!!

That's really useful, apologies for linking something sh*t.

My Bridgestones, when I get them, are the correct ones. Alas, it's from a local firm, to me, which is why I linked a national retailer, often referred to on here.

Tread cautiously with tires seems to be the motto with these X1's.

[DJMC]

Smuler said:

Tread cautiously with tires seems to be the motto with these X1's.

Ah... I see what you did there.

[DJMC]

Here we go again...

The other two need changing now. Here's where I am. Email to my DP:

"My wife's car was supplied by you with: Pirelli P7 Cinturato 225 50 18 99W NON run flat tyres.

The fronts wore out about 6 months ago. My tyre dealer of 20 years struggled at that time to find P7s but did and fitted two to the rear, moving the part worn rears to the front.
So, at that point we're still on four P7 non run flats.

Now we ned two more tyres to replace the fronts again, which have done 27k miles on both rear, and then moved to the front.

But... Pirelli don't make them any more.

My retailer can get BMW * marked Pirelli PZero, but says they're a completely different tread pattern.
I phoned Camskill tyres technical dept today who said they can't advise fitting the two different tread patterns due to the 4WD system. They advised speak to BMW.
I phoned Pirelli today (Sam Taylor, copied in here) who advised BMW had asked Pirelli to stop production of the P7 non run flat. The PZero is BMW * marked, but again Sam recommended I speak to BMW so as to check the two tyres will work OK on different axles and won't affect the warranty on the car.
I phoned Craig in your tyre dept today. He advised the PZero is the correct fitment and the P7 is discontinued but recommend all four tyres be identical and that I should change all four.

Q. Why should I throw away two perfectly good rear tyres with around 5-6mm on them because BMW have stopped Pirelli manufacturing these?

What is the solution please? If you insist I replace all four tyres, will you pay for the rears I'm having to replace ahead of time?"

I did call BMW UK again. This time they referred me to my dealer. I have a diary note from last year of speaking to Jeg at BMW Uk who said it's OK to mix on different axles. Might call back and ask for him...

BUT... I need something in writing.

[anonymous-user]

Maybe the thing to be doing is to rotate F/R to balance out the wear so the tyres all need replacing at the same time?

No help to you now but something to think about should you have to replace all 4.

[Smuler]

REALIST123 said:

Maybe the thing to be doing is to rotate F/R to balance out the wear so the tyres all need replacing at the same time?

No help to you now but something to think about should you have to replace all 4.

+1 to this, it's what I did on my Bridgestones and my first set of Pirelli P Zeros.

And I was surprised your tyre guy put the new tyres on the rear. X1 being FWD biased, I find the front needs the grip more hence wears more.
I did my rotate when fronts dropped below 4mm

Worked really well.

I like the Pirelli P Zeros as a more "performance tyre" because of better grip when pushing it, but they will wear quicker and are a little noisier than the Bridgestone Turanzas which came with it. So assuming your wife doesn't drive as hard as I do, that could be the better choice if you have to replace all 4.

[anonymous-user]

It’s something I do with my cars if they’ve got the same size F/R. (We currently have an SLK with bigger rears, though it doesn’t do too many mikes and doesn’t have the 4wd issues.

My 530 was sold last December with its original tyres at 42k. Of course having a set of winters made that easy! But they were rotated F-R every year and wore down quite evenly.

As for fitting new tyres on the rear, you’ll find all suppliers will recommend that. The theory is that most people can manage understeer better than oversteer and by having the better tyres on the rear you are more likely to get understeer, in the wet.

No one seems to have looked into whether having new rears and 3mm on the front might promote understeer but given that most people, if they lose grip either end, will instantly lift off, they’re probably right.

I’d rather keep all my tyres in good shape and stay in control by driving to the conditions. It’s worked for the past 40 odd years.