New M4 or Pre Reg/Used?
Discussion
interstellar said:
PorkInsider said:
On the subject of M3 or M4, I much prefer the look of the M4 myself.
I know people talk about the arches on the M3 but it’s just that they’re more noticeable as the car isn’t as ‘fat’ as an M4 other than the arches.
Approach an M4 from behind on the motorway, for example, and they look far more impressively wide and squat than an M3 in the same scenario.
It’s all about personal preference though...
If you click these images they should be gifs with the 3 and 4 series overlaid with the M3 and M4.
Thank you for that, that’s very clever. M4 for me.I know people talk about the arches on the M3 but it’s just that they’re more noticeable as the car isn’t as ‘fat’ as an M4 other than the arches.
Approach an M4 from behind on the motorway, for example, and they look far more impressively wide and squat than an M3 in the same scenario.
It’s all about personal preference though...
If you click these images they should be gifs with the 3 and 4 series overlaid with the M3 and M4.
Edited by PorkInsider on Sunday 14th January 23:16
Interesting thread as Im in the same boat as you.
I learnt the hard way to be very careful on ever buying new due to the level of depreciation in the first 18-24 months
Financial discipline/control is more important (to me now) than having the latest toy/status symbol. Been there done that.
Nothing wrong with buying expensive cars - just let someone else take the initial hit.
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions - you will still have a years warranty on it and can extend if you wish
You will still have a great car and a great time with money left over to invest elsewhere
Good luck
J
I learnt the hard way to be very careful on ever buying new due to the level of depreciation in the first 18-24 months
Financial discipline/control is more important (to me now) than having the latest toy/status symbol. Been there done that.
Nothing wrong with buying expensive cars - just let someone else take the initial hit.
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions - you will still have a years warranty on it and can extend if you wish
You will still have a great car and a great time with money left over to invest elsewhere
Good luck
J
joedesi said:
Interesting thread as Im in the same boat as you.
I learnt the hard way to be very careful on ever buying new due to the level of depreciation in the first 18-24 months
Financial discipline/control is more important (to me now) than having the latest toy/status symbol. Been there done that.
Nothing wrong with buying expensive cars - just let someone else take the initial hit.
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions - you will still have a years warranty on it and can extend if you wish
You will still have a great car and a great time with money left over to invest elsewhere
Good luck
J
You are not wrong but there isn't much different in price. I want an AUC from BMW so the price differences aren't massive unless you are picky on colour , for example there is only a couple of grand between a car I like and a car 18 months older which isn't enough for me to compromise.I learnt the hard way to be very careful on ever buying new due to the level of depreciation in the first 18-24 months
Financial discipline/control is more important (to me now) than having the latest toy/status symbol. Been there done that.
Nothing wrong with buying expensive cars - just let someone else take the initial hit.
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions - you will still have a years warranty on it and can extend if you wish
You will still have a great car and a great time with money left over to invest elsewhere
Good luck
J
If I just wanted to get an M4 and wasn't too fussed on colour then that is the way to go for sure.
I do keep looking for the older cars 16 plate etc so lets see what comes up.
By the way is it just me doesn't like the look of the Comp pack car, I think the wheels are awful, the seats are better but the wheels look naff to me.
joedesi said:
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions
J
Were comp pack cars and non comp pack cars affected here, how do you know it its got revised suspension if that's what you are talking about?J
Thanks in advance.
interstellar said:
The other thing I wanted to ask was someone somewhere mentioned that there was a change in the mapping at some point in time on this model which helped with getting the power down better.
Does that ring a bell to anyone?
From following the reviews, the Competition Package officially made such improvements, but it also seems to be the view that the facelift augmented those. Does that ring a bell to anyone?
Thus a facelifted competition pack is the best car to get.
1 minute 40 onwards albeit a M3 this journo seems to think it's the one to get. So a 17 plate onwards.
https://youtu.be/ZaM-TUFUUS8
interstellar said:
The other thing I wanted to ask was someone somewhere mentioned that there was a change in the mapping at some point in time on this model which helped with getting the power down better.
Does that ring a bell to anyone?
the new mapping limits the torque in lower gears at lower revsDoes that ring a bell to anyone?
interstellar said:
joedesi said:
If it were my money Id be looking at a low mileage 2016 comp pack with all the important suspension revisions
J
Were comp pack cars and non comp pack cars affected here, how do you know it its got revised suspension if that's what you are talking about?J
Thanks in advance.
generally though it seems BMW have been making small changes through the years
I agree re CP wheels, but they could be easily swapped
cerb4.5lee said:
interstellar said:
PorkInsider said:
On the subject of M3 or M4, I much prefer the look of the M4 myself.
I know people talk about the arches on the M3 but it’s just that they’re more noticeable as the car isn’t as ‘fat’ as an M4 other than the arches.
Approach an M4 from behind on the motorway, for example, and they look far more impressively wide and squat than an M3 in the same scenario.
It’s all about personal preference though...
If you click these images they should be gifs with the 3 and 4 series overlaid with the M3 and M4.
Thank you for that, that’s very clever. M4 for me.I know people talk about the arches on the M3 but it’s just that they’re more noticeable as the car isn’t as ‘fat’ as an M4 other than the arches.
Approach an M4 from behind on the motorway, for example, and they look far more impressively wide and squat than an M3 in the same scenario.
It’s all about personal preference though...
If you click these images they should be gifs with the 3 and 4 series overlaid with the M3 and M4.
Edited by PorkInsider on Sunday 14th January 23:16
(Says he who drives a Megane with stuck on arches of questionable taste!)
squirdan said:
comp pack has different dampers, ARBs etc. or at the least, different damper control software calibration
generally though it seems BMW have been making small changes through the years
I agree re CP wheels, but they could be easily swapped
You can spec the black 19's as a no cost option on a CP car. Would this be a bad move come resale having 19's not 20's?generally though it seems BMW have been making small changes through the years
I agree re CP wheels, but they could be easily swapped
I had a 2015 manual non comp pack m4 which I’ve replaced with a new manual comp pack m4.
Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
Julian Thompson said:
I had a 2015 manual non comp pack m4 which I’ve replaced with a new manual comp pack m4.
Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
That is interesting thanks, it would be the earlier car for me then, and if I wanted easy I'd go for the RS5...I much prefer fun/edgy. Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
have spent the past few weeks crawling over websites, new advert etc and having a few conversations
the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
cerb4.5lee said:
Julian Thompson said:
I had a 2015 manual non comp pack m4 which I’ve replaced with a new manual comp pack m4.
Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
That is interesting thanks, it would be the earlier car for me then, and if I wanted easy I'd go for the RS5...I much prefer fun/edgy. Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
Julian Thompson said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Julian Thompson said:
I had a 2015 manual non comp pack m4 which I’ve replaced with a new manual comp pack m4.
Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
That is interesting thanks, it would be the earlier car for me then, and if I wanted easy I'd go for the RS5...I much prefer fun/edgy. Observations - the early car was spikier and more fun, and actually felt faster most of the time. It was much edgier in the wet.
The new one is a wonderful car and a little easier to hustle hard - ends up with searing pace - but the earlier car was, for me, more rewarding, most of the time.
I’m not complaining about the new one but the old one was bloody exciting!
squirdan said:
have spent the past few weeks crawling over websites, new advert etc and having a few conversations
the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
Congratulations, that sound like a great deal, Photos please when it arrives!!the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
edit, assume its this one?
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/201706206600779...
interstellar said:
squirdan said:
have spent the past few weeks crawling over websites, new advert etc and having a few conversations
the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
Congratulations, that sound like a great deal, Photos please when it arrives!!the only M3/4 that i've had on my short list that have actually sold have been 17 plate cars with c. £17k discount to list and good spec. A Silverstone blue one at Blue Bell that had 100 miles on it, and a grey one mega spec at BMW M Keynes with 10k miles.
There are clearly loads of overpriced cars out there
In the end I bored myself and was also in danger of becoming obsessed with tiny details that actually prob make no difference on a multi month ownership
All the dealers told me (unsurprisingly) that CP cars are more sought after. Trouble was, I just prefer the look of the 19 inch wheels, and I can only imagine my kids poking me in the back through those holes in the seat.
As my starting point was a 440i and what i was looking for was a fast comfortable and stealthy car, the ultimate performance and handling wasnt really the thing for me. I started looking at convertibles and read a couple of reviews that said actually, combination of softer ride and ability to put the roof down, these are really nice cars. Albeit of course not as good as a hard top in a quantifiable performance sense but perhaps as good or better as a fun car.
And - the conv has different seats.
Net net just dealt on a 17 plate M4 cab, black + silverstone full leather incl dash, CP car, HUD, HK, LEDs, revcam, DCT, CF trim and comfort pack. 19 inch wheels. List was £73k and I've paid £49,707. Its got 1000 miles on it and they are doing the running in service incl in the price.
GFV is £31k in 3 years time and 24k miles. Which IF it were true would be c. £6k a year depreciation which seems about par for the course for any half decent car i've owned.
Feels therefore a good buy. or at least, I've convinced myself of that!
edit, assume its this one?
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/201706206600779...
Think I will take it to CLM this year and hope 2018 is sunny!
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