F90 M5 first performance test numbers

[Wills2]

ds666 said:

MOBB said:

I'm just imagining.....................pootling along at 40mph and flooring it in my old F10 resulted in crazy thrust so long as it was dry

What the hell must this one be like doing the same? I have no desire to own one of these now, but a cheeky test drive might be in order

If it's dry and you have no traction issues , the f10 must be almost as quick as the new one surely from 40mph ? They have around the same power and weight . The difference is off the line where the 4wd allows a massive traction advantage

F10 M5 will spin up its wheels in the dry at 40mph in my experience you needed to be up at 70-80mph in warm temps to floor the throttle and not get the traction intervening.

[HoHoHo]

Wills2 said:

ds666 said:

MOBB said:

I'm just imagining.....................pootling along at 40mph and flooring it in my old F10 resulted in crazy thrust so long as it was dry

What the hell must this one be like doing the same? I have no desire to own one of these now, but a cheeky test drive might be in order

If it's dry and you have no traction issues , the f10 must be almost as quick as the new one surely from 40mph ? They have around the same power and weight . The difference is off the line where the 4wd allows a massive traction advantage

F10 M5 will spin up its wheels in the dry at 40mph in my experience you needed to be up at 70-80mph in warm temps to floor the throttle and not get the traction intervening.

Absolutely, in my experience the F10 will spin its wheels at 80 in the wet!

[ds666]

Comparing figures for the f10 : new car 60-100 3.8 s , f10 4.1 . 100-150mph new car 9.3 , f10 10.5 s . Not majorly different
I agree traction is a major challenge for the f10 , it never felt like 0-60 in 3.7 s
So the new car I’m pretty sure will be able to do the figures quoted nearly all the time whereas the f10 numbers were when the moons aligned ( and fwiw I had the traction light flashing on a dry overtake at 100 ... )

[Welshbeef]

ds666 said:

Comparing figures for the f10 : new car 60-100 3.8 s , f10 4.1 . 100-150mph new car 9.3 , f10 10.5 s . Not majorly different
I agree traction is a major challenge for the f10 , it never felt like 0-60 in 3.7 s
So the new car I’m pretty sure will be able to do the figures quoted nearly all the time whereas the f10 numbers were when the moons aligned ( and fwiw I had the traction light flashing on a dry overtake at 100 ... )

Anyone know how an E60 M5 compares to the above times?

[Wills2]

ds666 said:

Comparing figures for the f10 : new car 60-100 3.8 s , f10 4.1 . 100-150mph new car 9.3 , f10 10.5 s . Not majorly different
I agree traction is a major challenge for the f10 , it never felt like 0-60 in 3.7 s
So the new car I’m pretty sure will be able to do the figures quoted nearly all the time whereas the f10 numbers were when the moons aligned ( and fwiw I had the traction light flashing on a dry overtake at 100 ... )

I think that's the nub of the issue, the F10 was timed to 7.8 seconds to 100mph IIRC but in the UK you'd be lucky to get it under 10secs managing the traction etc...The new one will just grip and go.

[ds666]

Welshbeef said:

Anyone know how an E60 M5 compares to the above times?

5.1s and 11.5 for the same deltas .

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

I think that's the nub of the issue, the F10 was timed to 7.8 seconds to 100mph IIRC but in the UK you'd be lucky to get it under 10secs managing the traction etc...The new one will just grip and go.

Struggle to get 10 seconds even with the electronic M diff.

A C5 RS6 would be exceptionally close if those stats are true and a C6 wouldn’t let a M5 F10 see which way it went.


However the M5 Board where they host races on drag strips always shows the F10 M5 destroying these cars. (Rolling start has to be said).
Carwow had a recent clip of the M5 v M3 v M2 and the M5 was in an utterly different league miles in front.

[ds666]

Wills2 said:

I think that's the nub of the issue, the F10 was timed to 7.8 seconds to 100mph IIRC but in the UK you'd be lucky to get it under 10secs managing the traction etc...The new one will just grip and go.

I'm pretty sure that my 335d xdrive is quicker 90% of the time than my m5 was . It was an epic car all the same .
Cant wait to drive the new one

[Welshbeef]

ds666 said:

Wills2 said:

I think that's the nub of the issue, the F10 was timed to 7.8 seconds to 100mph IIRC but in the UK you'd be lucky to get it under 10secs managing the traction etc...The new one will just grip and go.

I'm pretty sure that my 335d xdrive is quicker 90% of the time than my m5 was . It was an epic car all the same .
Cant wait to drive the new one

Lol that will piss Wills off he had one hated it ran out of puff etc.

[ds666]

Welshbeef said:

Struggle to get 10 seconds even with the electronic M diff.

A C5 RS6 would be exceptionally close if those stats are true and a C6 wouldn’t let a M5 F10 see which way it went.


However the M5 Board where they host races on drag strips always shows the F10 M5 destroying these cars. (Rolling start has to be said).
Carwow had a recent clip of the M5 v M3 v M2 and the M5 was in an utterly different league miles in front.

The traction can be triggered easily on rougher roads ( over bumps etc ) so smooth tarmac makes a big difference .

[Patrick Bateman]

M5's have tended to have a habit of really showing what they're capable of when you're getting into the high speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlPOC6YHZ7g

Didn't half start to storm on there towards the end.

[Wills2]

ds666 said:

Wills2 said:

I think that's the nub of the issue, the F10 was timed to 7.8 seconds to 100mph IIRC but in the UK you'd be lucky to get it under 10secs managing the traction etc...The new one will just grip and go.

I'm pretty sure that my 335d xdrive is quicker 90% of the time than my m5 was . It was an epic car all the same .
Cant wait to drive the new one

Agreed to 60 my 335d was the fastest car I've ever timed couldn't match it in any of my m cars.

Still boring though

[Olivera]

Impressive figures, but it's a travesty the new M5 is 4wd. Combine that with auto only and the gigantic size and it's really no longer a traditional M car.

[jm doc]

Olivera said:

Impressive figures, but it's a travesty the new M5 is 4wd. Combine that with auto only and the gigantic size and it's really no longer a traditional M car.

Think they said that about the V8, and definitely about the V10

[Steve Rance]

I think that BMWs obsession with straight line performance has led to cars who’s primary objective is deployment. Everything else becomes secondary. From a drivers perspective- as opposed to somebody who prefers a drag strip - that’s is disappointing.

[Fckitdriveon]

As I recall my f10 was plenty quick over 100 mph, on the very rare occasion I put the hammer down, traction always the issue up to 60 as you would expect.

[Wills2]

Steve Rance said:

I think that BMWs obsession with straight line performance has led to cars who’s primary objective is deployment. Everything else becomes secondary. From a drivers perspective- as opposed to somebody who prefers a drag strip - that’s is disappointing.

As it's their first awd M car I think we should reserve judgement it's switchable to RWD

[Elysium]

Steve Rance said:

I think that BMWs obsession with straight line performance has led to cars who’s primary objective is deployment. Everything else becomes secondary. From a drivers perspective- as opposed to somebody who prefers a drag strip - that’s is disappointing.

The M5 is designed to rule the autobahn, so storming performance 0-155mph and comfort are the primary concerns. It's also intended to handle like a smaller car, and it absolutely does that.

BMW's problem is that the F10 was taking them to the edge of what is reasonable in a big comfy RWD road car. Audi and Merc had already gone 4WD and the M5 was no longer looking like the top dog.

Due to issues with traction, the difference between it's real world 'point to point' performance and fast 4wd diesel was also narrowing.

I'm personally switched off by the move to 4WD as it pushes the performance envelope beyond the point at which you can enjoy the handling on the road. That is why 4WD audis and big diesels feel a little one dimensional to me.

I can't see that they had much choice though and the switchable system looks like a stroke of genius. Dropping the DCT for an 8 speed auto is also a bad move on paper, but again the reviewers are raving about it.

The F10 has flaws, but that gives it bags of character (at least IMO). I understand why BMW have made the choices they have for the new car and the reviewers seem to be finding them all to be improvements. I am less convinced, but am looking forward to having a go to be sure.

Part of me feels there is something glorious in the daftness of a RWD with 560bhp that wheelspins in the dry at 70mph when you nail it. I realise it's not sensible, but I don't want sensible all the time.

[Fckitdriveon]

As I recall my f10 was plenty quick over 100 mph, on the very rare occasion I put the hammer down, traction always the issue up to 60 as you would expect.

[Steve Rance]

Wills2 said:

As it's their first awd M car I think we should reserve judgement it's switchable to RWD

I get what you are saying. But if you switch off the 4wd you wont be able to deploy the power - which maybe makes the whole thing a bit of a nonsense. Isnt BMW just turning into Audi?

The lure for me to BMW was thier trade mark well balanced rear wheel drive chassis coupled with a good engine. Traditionally, that added up to a nice involving and rewarding drive. Having driven most of the current M offering its obvious that the primary emphasis has switched to that of soley deploying power. The best M car that I drove tellingly was the least powerful but by far the most rewarding.

From experience of racing cars with close to 800bhp in a chassis weighing less than 1000kg, i can tell you that the novelty of power for the sake of it passes quickly. Soon it feels slow. The real fun is in the braking and handling. From a pure driving pleasure perspective, I think that BMW are moving further away from what originally made them a great manufacrurer