BMW M2 - what do I need to know?
Discussion
Ahbefive said:
Nice cars but the seats do look very plain and sit slightly crooked. Surely there is a way of swapping them out and lining them up straight?
Was there no 'individual' colour options? The turquoisey blue looks horrid and the rest seems to be boring grey/black/white. Bring back Estoril or Dakar.
Have you changed the seats and colour of your Focus? The Focus has worse issues with the seating especially. Was there no 'individual' colour options? The turquoisey blue looks horrid and the rest seems to be boring grey/black/white. Bring back Estoril or Dakar.
Edited by Ahbefive on Tuesday 23 October 06:36
The seats aren't good enough for the M2. They are about ok when in the M240i considering the price and discounts, but they aren't good enough for the M2. They are a bit too cheap.
They've aďdressed that complaint with the M2 Competiton, but that's more expensive. It was one of the areas that needed addressed and popular request.
MOBB said:
Ooh but the seats
Ooh but the mirrors
Ooh but colours
It's the best car bmw has made recently, fantastic to drive
I'd like better seats, mirrors and colours but it really pales into insignificance when I start it up
Nobody's disputing what the M2's like to drive but for a £50k car (which is what the M2C is) there should be a better choice of exterior colours and interiors IMO. Yes the seats in the new car are great but dakota leather isn't really in keeping with a car of that price and, while it undoubtedly has sporting overtones, not everyone prefers a black interior either; merino leather in a choice of black or silverstone would be much more like it in my view.Ooh but the mirrors
Ooh but colours
It's the best car bmw has made recently, fantastic to drive
I'd like better seats, mirrors and colours but it really pales into insignificance when I start it up
None of which will stop me buying one if I'm in a position to do so next summer because, as you rightly say, it's how it drives that matters!
I suspect BMW opt not to include more colours or interior options so people that really want more choice will go for the M3/M4 instead.
Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3. Less options means lower cost to build which means they can sell it for less. Don't forget a lot of the components are lifted straight from the M3 already.
More cynically though, they probably also do it because they can and know people will buy it. The 1M was a great experiment. So they can reduce build costs and still sell with a good margin.
On the flip side, it makes buying used much easier!
Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3. Less options means lower cost to build which means they can sell it for less. Don't forget a lot of the components are lifted straight from the M3 already.
More cynically though, they probably also do it because they can and know people will buy it. The 1M was a great experiment. So they can reduce build costs and still sell with a good margin.
On the flip side, it makes buying used much easier!
Edited by Brainpox on Wednesday 24th October 10:38
Brainpox said:
Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3.
Or perhaps the M2 is a proper return to M car form for BMW, for people that want a great driver's car rather than excessive power and pretty leather etcEdited by Brainpox on Wednesday 24th October 10:38
I'm 46 and can afford an M3, but chose the M2
Brainpox said:
I suspect BMW opt not to include more colours or interior options so people that really want more choice will go for the M3/M4 instead.
Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3. Less options means lower cost to build which means they can sell it for less. Don't forget a lot of the components are lifted straight from the M3 already.
More cynically though, they probably also do it because they can and know people will buy it. The 1M was a great experiment. So they can reduce build costs and still sell with a good margin.
On the flip side, it makes buying used much easier!
Don't quite follow the affordability comment? In practice you can get a discounted M4 - or even an M4CP - for pretty much the same money as an M2C that's had a few options added. Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3. Less options means lower cost to build which means they can sell it for less. Don't forget a lot of the components are lifted straight from the M3 already.
More cynically though, they probably also do it because they can and know people will buy it. The 1M was a great experiment. So they can reduce build costs and still sell with a good margin.
On the flip side, it makes buying used much easier!
Edited by Brainpox on Wednesday 24th October 10:38
That said I do agree that reducing variety can often help to reduce production costs so perhaps that's BMW's plan. However, you wouldn't have thought offering a colour like Estoril Blue - which is already available on the 2-series coupe - would involve a significant cost increase and similarly the M-seats are already available in a variety of merino leathers for the M4.
Regardless, we are where we are and I doubt BMW will change anything prior to the 2020 model year (and perhaps not even then).
MOBB said:
Brainpox said:
Like the 1M, the M2 is the baby M car for younger people who want an M car but don't have the money for an M3.
Or perhaps the M2 is a proper return to M car form for BMW, for people that want a great driver's car rather than excessive power and pretty leather etcEdited by Brainpox on Wednesday 24th October 10:38
I'm 46 and can afford an M3, but chose the M2
jimPH said:
Uses M4 axles, it's huge. Might be slightly shorter, but I don't get why people think it's small. Weighs over 1.5 tons too.
Might aswell get the M3/M4.
YepMight aswell get the M3/M4.
M2 Man 1570KG
M2C Man 1625KG
M4 Man 1635KG
The M2 is no light weight. Always my point. The new car needed weight taken out of it not added. I havent driven the M2C but the M2 is a much better car dynamically than the M4. The chassis and diff combination allow you to drive it more like a mid or even a rear engined car if you want to. You can be percise on theashold all of the way through the corner or clumbsier and just drive it sideways on the throttle after turn in if you want to. More power and more weight of the M2C just takes more away from those options its a lot closer to the M4 weightwise and I suspect will just be a more playful version of an M4. The chassis and in particular the diff do a very good job in hiding the bulk of the original M2 but another 55Kg and no doubt more torque will not do it any favours. I speak from a lot of experience in giving rides for sponsors guests in race cars. They are very diffent to drive with a passenger or with any kind of weight penalty. You can easily feel 10Kg. 55kg is light and day.
jimPH said:
Uses M4 axles, it's huge. Might be slightly shorter, but I don't get why people think it's small. Weighs over 1.5 tons too.
Might as well get the M3/M4.
Making a car a bit smaller doesn't really save much weight as you still have all the same heavy bits and just a bit less light body work.Might as well get the M3/M4.
It's all relative though, it's not "small" but others are bigger, M3 no longer available new, M4 looks and feels a lot bigger on the road, M5 & M6 are leviathons.
The M2 is only about 100mm shorter than my old 2009 335i Tourer but that in turn is dwarfed by a current 335 Tourer and so on.
Golf GTI weight 1.4 tonnes these days.
Edited by mikeN54 on Wednesday 24th October 13:40
M2 manual: 1495 DIN, 1570 EU
"The European Union adds this 75kg ballast to account for a driver and a small amount of luggage."
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vehi...
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Perhaps the future M2 CS will remove that 55kg added since the original M2 for £15-20k
DCT cars are also about 25kg heavier than manual.
"The European Union adds this 75kg ballast to account for a driver and a small amount of luggage."
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vehi...
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Perhaps the future M2 CS will remove that 55kg added since the original M2 for £15-20k
DCT cars are also about 25kg heavier than manual.
MOBB said:
From memory I think it's 26k, 2.9% apr
Exceptional deals were around to get rid of the remaining old M2s as the Competition was imminent so I couldn't pass up the opportunity
Another prospective M2 owner here, considering the jump from a Golf R.Exceptional deals were around to get rid of the remaining old M2s as the Competition was imminent so I couldn't pass up the opportunity
Considering yours was £41K as a pre-reg, there are almost 180 M2's on Autotrader at the present moment, would it be safe to assume we will see the early £30K M2's appear soon?
They all seem to be mid to high 30's at the moment but nothing is really shifting.
94OD said:
MOBB said:
From memory I think it's 26k, 2.9% apr
Exceptional deals were around to get rid of the remaining old M2s as the Competition was imminent so I couldn't pass up the opportunity
Another prospective M2 owner here, considering the jump from a Golf R.Exceptional deals were around to get rid of the remaining old M2s as the Competition was imminent so I couldn't pass up the opportunity
Considering yours was £41K as a pre-reg, there are almost 180 M2's on Autotrader at the present moment, would it be safe to assume we will see the early £30K M2's appear soon?
They all seem to be mid to high 30's at the moment but nothing is really shifting.
Driver101 said:
Have you changed the seats and colour of your Focus? The Focus has worse issues with the seating especially.
The seats aren't good enough for the M2. They are about ok when in the M240i considering the price and discounts, but they aren't good enough for the M2. They are a bit too cheap.
They've a?dressed that complaint with the M2 Competiton, but that's more expensive. It was one of the areas that needed addressed and popular request.
I love the seats and colour of my focus, not sure what that has to do with anything, we are talking about the M2.The seats aren't good enough for the M2. They are about ok when in the M240i considering the price and discounts, but they aren't good enough for the M2. They are a bit too cheap.
They've a?dressed that complaint with the M2 Competiton, but that's more expensive. It was one of the areas that needed addressed and popular request.
It's ok for your to criticise the seats but not for me? Err no.
What I drive has nothing to do with the lacklustre seats or colour options of an M2.
JNW1 said:
Nobody's disputing what the M2's like to drive but for a £50k car (which is what the M2C is) there should be a better choice of exterior colours and interiors IMO. Yes the seats in the new car are great but dakota leather isn't really in keeping with a car of that price and, while it undoubtedly has sporting overtones, not everyone prefers a black interior either; merino leather in a choice of black or silverstone would be much more like it in my view.
None of which will stop me buying one if I'm in a position to do so next summer because, as you rightly say, it's how it drives that matters!
Did you ever hear the quote attributed to Henry Ford: “any colour you like - so long as it’s black”None of which will stop me buying one if I'm in a position to do so next summer because, as you rightly say, it's how it drives that matters!
If these things are important to you, there are other - really very good - cars that offer this.
ftypical said:
JNW1 said:
Nobody's disputing what the M2's like to drive but for a £50k car (which is what the M2C is) there should be a better choice of exterior colours and interiors IMO. Yes the seats in the new car are great but dakota leather isn't really in keeping with a car of that price and, while it undoubtedly has sporting overtones, not everyone prefers a black interior either; merino leather in a choice of black or silverstone would be much more like it in my view.
None of which will stop me buying one if I'm in a position to do so next summer because, as you rightly say, it's how it drives that matters!
Did you ever hear the quote attributed to Henry Ford: “any colour you like - so long as it’s black”None of which will stop me buying one if I'm in a position to do so next summer because, as you rightly say, it's how it drives that matters!
If these things are important to you, there are other - really very good - cars that offer this.
On the wider point, I'm afraid I don't really get this attitude which almost seems to imply people shouldn't care about the interior in a proper drivers car (however they're defining that). I see the argument in something more hardcore like a Caterham - which is minimalist to reduce weight - but an M2C isn't that sort of car and all people like me are saying is a bit more choice around the exterior and interior would be nice. Dakota leather is ok in a £25k 1-series but (IMO) is a bit low-rent in a £50k coupe like the M2C; I'd actually prefer alcantara cloth if it was offered but if it's leather then nappa or merino would be more appropriate in my view.
As I said in a previous post, it's more a minor grumble/observation in my case and wouldn't be a show stopper in terms of me buying an M2C; the main attraction for me is in how the car drives and ultimately bargain basement leather won't put me off even if I do find it a touch disappointing given the price.
Oh, and if an order goes in it will be for a manual; wonder how many of the "proper drivers" who are so quick to spout criticism of others have a DCT auto?
ftypical said:
You have a lacklustre car.
So those who like their car might reasonably be irritated when you criticise what you don’t own.
I certainly don't, I have 2 excellent cars as ALL the reviews will tell you. Only called lacklustre by a few pinheads on PH.So those who like their car might reasonably be irritated when you criticise what you don’t own.
You've never criticised something you don't own? Don't be so stupid, you just did.
Anyway, try reading the thread title, it's about what should the OP know about the M2.
Edited by Ahbefive on Thursday 25th October 05:37
Ahbefive said:
Driver101 said:
Have you changed the seats and colour of your Focus? The Focus has worse issues with the seating especially.
The seats aren't good enough for the M2. They are about ok when in the M240i considering the price and discounts, but they aren't good enough for the M2. They are a bit too cheap.
They've a?dressed that complaint with the M2 Competiton, but that's more expensive. It was one of the areas that needed addressed and popular request.
I love the seats and colour of my focus, not sure what that has to do with anything, we are talking about the M2.The seats aren't good enough for the M2. They are about ok when in the M240i considering the price and discounts, but they aren't good enough for the M2. They are a bit too cheap.
They've a?dressed that complaint with the M2 Competiton, but that's more expensive. It was one of the areas that needed addressed and popular request.
It's ok for your to criticise the seats but not for me? Err no.
What I drive has nothing to do with the lacklustre seats or colour options of an M2.
I make my point subjectively. You come across as a green-eyed monster again. The M2 does ruffle your feathers and the criticism is ironic given your defence of worse.
Yes this thread is about the M2. I wish I hadn't made these posts now as I know you'll know kill the thread with relentless blind RS gushing.
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