F90 M5 Competition
Discussion
Terminator X said:
likesachange said:
On track do you notice a lot of difference when switching between the 2 and 4 WD?
I'm not a good enough driver for RWD and +600hp! Kept it in 4WD albeit did switch TC off (part off then fully off) just to see what would happen. Part off allowed some slip albeit caught by the car after a moment or two. Even fully off it seemed to handle ok with the 4WD shuffling power around etc. Apart from the one Summer day both the other days were wet with many many cars sliding off track; the M5 stayed on track the whole time which is testament to it's many safety systems I guess + it was able to put all the power down all of the time.TX.
Good man, glad someone is using them as intended!
Have you done track days in anything else? Interested in your thoughts on a comparison. I did a track day recently in aC2S 911 and did one on the M5 last year and my limited driving ability was much better suited to the M5.
What did the rear pads cost you? Not bad wear on the tyres though! What do tyres do you have?
Have you done track days in anything else? Interested in your thoughts on a comparison. I did a track day recently in aC2S 911 and did one on the M5 last year and my limited driving ability was much better suited to the M5.
What did the rear pads cost you? Not bad wear on the tyres though! What do tyres do you have?
Terminator X said:
Mine has been on track x3 so far. I try to avoid Summer as the tracks are full of Caterhams who don't like being overtaken on the straights 
Rear pads went quite quick; afaik the stability control / traction control trims speed etc using the rear brakes. BMW chap was surprised they had gone so quickly
14k miles overall and have had to replace rear tyres; fronts probably only have a few k left in them.
Apart from that all ok + she goes well for a Big Beast.
As an aside a few of my mates have RS3's and their tyres were destroyed when we did one single Summer day (their tyres seemed to go like marshmallow, really soft and squidgy) vs mine that didn't seem effected at all.
TX.
Rear pads went quite quick; afaik the stability control / traction control trims speed etc using the rear brakes. BMW chap was surprised they had gone so quickly
14k miles overall and have had to replace rear tyres; fronts probably only have a few k left in them.
Apart from that all ok + she goes well for a Big Beast.
As an aside a few of my mates have RS3's and their tyres were destroyed when we did one single Summer day (their tyres seemed to go like marshmallow, really soft and squidgy) vs mine that didn't seem effected at all.
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 7th July 11:30
Burwood said:
'I turned off TC is see what would happen' lol. That had the start of an ominous post
Ha ha the track I was at had lots of grass run off areas though (vs say Castle Coombe which has concrete barriers everywhere!) so not too bad even if you slid off. A chap did go off in his Mac though, still ripped off the undertray and front spoiler etc 
TX.
Zanderman said:
Good man, glad someone is using them as intended!
Have you done track days in anything else? Interested in your thoughts on a comparison. I did a track day recently in aC2S 911 and did one on the M5 last year and my limited driving ability was much better suited to the M5.
What did the rear pads cost you? Not bad wear on the tyres though! What do tyres do you have?
Yes my old RS3 and RS4 and now the M5C. Clearly I have built up to this sort of pace as the cars got quicker each time I got a new one Have you done track days in anything else? Interested in your thoughts on a comparison. I did a track day recently in aC2S 911 and did one on the M5 last year and my limited driving ability was much better suited to the M5.
What did the rear pads cost you? Not bad wear on the tyres though! What do tyres do you have?
Terminator X said:
Mine has been on track x3 so far. I try to avoid Summer as the tracks are full of Caterhams who don't like being overtaken on the straights
Rear pads went quite quick; afaik the stability control / traction control trims speed etc using the rear brakes. BMW chap was surprised they had gone so quickly
14k miles overall and have had to replace rear tyres; fronts probably only have a few k left in them.
Apart from that all ok + she goes well for a Big Beast.
As an aside a few of my mates have RS3's and their tyres were destroyed when we did one single Summer day (their tyres seemed to go like marshmallow, really soft and squidgy) vs mine that didn't seem effected at all.
TX.
Rear pads went quite quick; afaik the stability control / traction control trims speed etc using the rear brakes. BMW chap was surprised they had gone so quickly
14k miles overall and have had to replace rear tyres; fronts probably only have a few k left in them.
Apart from that all ok + she goes well for a Big Beast.
As an aside a few of my mates have RS3's and their tyres were destroyed when we did one single Summer day (their tyres seemed to go like marshmallow, really soft and squidgy) vs mine that didn't seem effected at all.
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 7th July 11:30
RS3 felt fast on the road less so on the track, not at all understeery as some on here would have you believe. RS4 felt fast in both places, handled well for a heavy estate car. M5C is far too fast for the road (part throttle only 99% of the time) but "comes alive" on track. Big and heavy etc but handles really well + it looks after you too. Both the Winter track days were sodden yet the car still felt planted and was able to put all the power down. The good thing about the track is that you can feed the power in on the corners and feel the car move around etc yet because it is so wide even minor twitches can be handled ok. In the corners you do feel the weight albeit on the straights it just flies! Overall very capable I'd say + really enjoyable which is my main reason for doing them.Rear pads cost £170 from BMW albeit free labour as they made various cock ups booking the car in. Tyres were P Zero on the car as new albeit I have changed the rears to MPS4s and will do the same for the fronts.
TX.
Terminator X said:
I'm not a good enough driver for RWD and +600hp! Kept it in 4WD albeit did switch TC off (part off then fully off) just to see what would happen. Part off allowed some slip albeit caught by the car after a moment or two. Even fully off it seemed to handle ok with the 4WD shuffling power around etc. Apart from the one Summer day both the other days were wet with many many cars sliding off track; the M5 stayed on track the whole time which is testament to it's many safety systems I guess + it was able to put all the power down all of the time.
TX.
Thanks, so on a wet track day you could apply all the power in all gears and get full traction??TX.
I really must overcome my fear and try it out.
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info!
Terminator X said:
Yes my old RS3 and RS4 and now the M5C. Clearly I have built up to this sort of pace as the cars got quicker each time I got a new one RS3 felt fast on the road less so on the track, not at all understeery as some on here would have you believe. RS4 felt fast in both places, handled well for a heavy estate car. M5C is far too fast for the road (part throttle only 99% of the time) but "comes alive" on track. Big and heavy etc but handles really well + it looks after you too. Both the Winter track days were sodden yet the car still felt planted and was able to put all the power down. The good thing about the track is that you can feed the power in on the corners and feel the car move around etc yet because it is so wide even minor twitches can be handled ok. In the corners you do feel the weight albeit on the straights it just flies! Overall very capable I'd say + really enjoyable which is my main reason for doing them.
Rear pads cost £170 from BMW albeit free labour as they made various cock ups booking the car in. Tyres were P Zero on the car as new albeit I have changed the rears to MPS4s and will do the same for the fronts.
TX.
RS3 felt fast on the road less so on the track, not at all understeery as some on here would have you believe. RS4 felt fast in both places, handled well for a heavy estate car. M5C is far too fast for the road (part throttle only 99% of the time) but "comes alive" on track. Big and heavy etc but handles really well + it looks after you too. Both the Winter track days were sodden yet the car still felt planted and was able to put all the power down. The good thing about the track is that you can feed the power in on the corners and feel the car move around etc yet because it is so wide even minor twitches can be handled ok. In the corners you do feel the weight albeit on the straights it just flies! Overall very capable I'd say + really enjoyable which is my main reason for doing them.Rear pads cost £170 from BMW albeit free labour as they made various cock ups booking the car in. Tyres were P Zero on the car as new albeit I have changed the rears to MPS4s and will do the same for the fronts.
TX.
likesachange said:
Terminator X said:
I'm not a good enough driver for RWD and +600hp! Kept it in 4WD albeit did switch TC off (part off then fully off) just to see what would happen. Part off allowed some slip albeit caught by the car after a moment or two. Even fully off it seemed to handle ok with the 4WD shuffling power around etc. Apart from the one Summer day both the other days were wet with many many cars sliding off track; the M5 stayed on track the whole time which is testament to it's many safety systems I guess + it was able to put all the power down all of the time.
TX.
Thanks, so on a wet track day you could apply all the power in all gears and get full traction??TX.
On the dry day it just went like stink everywhere incl the bends.
TX.
One thing I forgot to ask was about track day insurance. Did you get any? The idea of stacking the car worries me a bit but from what I have seen track day insurance can be really expensive and not all that comprehensive for more expensive cars.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Terminator X said:
Yes my old RS3 and RS4 and now the M5C. Clearly I have built up to this sort of pace as the cars got quicker each time I got a new one RS3 felt fast on the road less so on the track, not at all understeery as some on here would have you believe. RS4 felt fast in both places, handled well for a heavy estate car. M5C is far too fast for the road (part throttle only 99% of the time) but "comes alive" on track. Big and heavy etc but handles really well + it looks after you too. Both the Winter track days were sodden yet the car still felt planted and was able to put all the power down. The good thing about the track is that you can feed the power in on the corners and feel the car move around etc yet because it is so wide even minor twitches can be handled ok. In the corners you do feel the weight albeit on the straights it just flies! Overall very capable I'd say + really enjoyable which is my main reason for doing them.
Rear pads cost £170 from BMW albeit free labour as they made various cock ups booking the car in. Tyres were P Zero on the car as new albeit I have changed the rears to MPS4s and will do the same for the fronts.
TX.
RS3 felt fast on the road less so on the track, not at all understeery as some on here would have you believe. RS4 felt fast in both places, handled well for a heavy estate car. M5C is far too fast for the road (part throttle only 99% of the time) but "comes alive" on track. Big and heavy etc but handles really well + it looks after you too. Both the Winter track days were sodden yet the car still felt planted and was able to put all the power down. The good thing about the track is that you can feed the power in on the corners and feel the car move around etc yet because it is so wide even minor twitches can be handled ok. In the corners you do feel the weight albeit on the straights it just flies! Overall very capable I'd say + really enjoyable which is my main reason for doing them.Rear pads cost £170 from BMW albeit free labour as they made various cock ups booking the car in. Tyres were P Zero on the car as new albeit I have changed the rears to MPS4s and will do the same for the fronts.
TX.
likesachange said:
Thanks, so on a wet track day you could apply all the power in all gears and get full traction??
You can get all 4 wheels spinning in the wet if you try hard enough...its not too scary.The M5 is RWD all the time up until the rear wheels start to slip and only then is the power sent to the front wheels.
When you can feel the power move to the front wheels (subtly through the steering wheel) you know you are pushing pretty hard.
c10vet said:
Hi all - I am considering a used (1-2 yrs old) F90 M5, but was recently put off when someone told me there have been engine problems. I haven’t seen mentioned in any of the reviews. Any thoughts??
Thank you all!
News to me and I’ve had three M cars from new with a variant of this 4.4 engine. The level of after market tuning they can tolerate demonstrate what a strong unit they are. Too many people with opinions on things they know nothing about. That said, my cars have all been factory ordered new and run in correctly, but I doubt even a thrashed from cold former demo what throw up any problems (make sure you buy a one owner car?) Thank you all!
Best of luck with your search... it’s the best daily runaround I’ve ever had.
garystoybox said:
c10vet said:
Hi all - I am considering a used (1-2 yrs old) F90 M5, but was recently put off when someone told me there have been engine problems. I haven’t seen mentioned in any of the reviews. Any thoughts??
Thank you all!
News to me and I’ve had three M cars from new with a variant of this 4.4 engine. The level of after market tuning they can tolerate demonstrate what a strong unit they are. Too many people with opinions on things they know nothing about. That said, my cars have all been factory ordered new and run in correctly, but I doubt even a thrashed from cold former demo what throw up any problems (make sure you buy a one owner car?) Thank you all!
Best of luck with your search... it’s the best daily runaround I’ve ever had.
c10vet said:
Hi all - I am considering a used (1-2 yrs old) F90 M5, but was recently put off when someone told me there have been engine problems. I haven’t seen mentioned in any of the reviews. Any thoughts??
Thank you all!
Tuned they can suffer from bent pistons (high torque cars), standard I haven't heard of any issues either. Mine is on 18k miles no issues. Thank you all!
TX.
I got rid of mine too! Actually had a lot of issues. Maybe it was a lemon. Main faults were faulty injectors and a drivetrain malfunction that kept cutting power when you drove it hard. Very annoying and dealer could never “replicate it” because you had to drive it pretty hard to get it to happen.
I’ve heard horror stories of remapped cars destroying bottom ends. They are not bullet proof. 2 guys I talked to about getting mine remapped and they both advised me against it instead of relieving me of £800
I’ve heard horror stories of remapped cars destroying bottom ends. They are not bullet proof. 2 guys I talked to about getting mine remapped and they both advised me against it instead of relieving me of £800
Mine was recently in the garage with a coolant leak.
After two weeks and having had the gearbox off and all manner of other items removed it appeared to be from under the turbos, a pipe of some description had cracked and the repair took three weeks in total.
My car is 18 months old with 15k on the clock. I’ve owned it from new and it’s been looked after with no modifications.
I’m not bothered about this repair or the amount of work, don’t forget it’s as mechanical machine and threat go wrong. However I would add the caveat that I would not run one of these without a good warranty - my recent repair had 10 full days of labour and two full pages of parts to fix the leak.
After two weeks and having had the gearbox off and all manner of other items removed it appeared to be from under the turbos, a pipe of some description had cracked and the repair took three weeks in total.
My car is 18 months old with 15k on the clock. I’ve owned it from new and it’s been looked after with no modifications.
I’m not bothered about this repair or the amount of work, don’t forget it’s as mechanical machine and threat go wrong. However I would add the caveat that I would not run one of these without a good warranty - my recent repair had 10 full days of labour and two full pages of parts to fix the leak.
HoHoHo said:
Mine was recently in the garage with a coolant leak.
After two weeks and having had the gearbox off and all manner of other items removed it appeared to be from under the turbos, a pipe of some description had cracked and the repair took three weeks in total.
My car is 18 months old with 15k on the clock. I’ve owned it from new and it’s been looked after with no modifications.
I’m not bothered about this repair or the amount of work, don’t forget it’s as mechanical machine and threat go wrong. However I would add the caveat that I would not run one of these without a good warranty - my recent repair had 10 full days of labour and two full pages of parts to fix the leak.
Ouch - sorry to hear that, but thank you for sharing. Hope all is ok now and for the future. After two weeks and having had the gearbox off and all manner of other items removed it appeared to be from under the turbos, a pipe of some description had cracked and the repair took three weeks in total.
My car is 18 months old with 15k on the clock. I’ve owned it from new and it’s been looked after with no modifications.
I’m not bothered about this repair or the amount of work, don’t forget it’s as mechanical machine and threat go wrong. However I would add the caveat that I would not run one of these without a good warranty - my recent repair had 10 full days of labour and two full pages of parts to fix the leak.
My view is that pretty much any (complicated) car these days has a fair chance of suffering a drama or two (my wife’s ex-demo Range Rover Sport has been SHOCKING - 10 visits back to dealer in 2yrs and now arguing with dealer over who pays for a replacement tailgate that opens intermittently when driving and got damaged as a result. Do not buy a RR! We have a lemon but I have heard so many problems with them, including from the dealer Service Mgr himself on the QT! 😆
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