Your M2 Competition experience so far....
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VerySideways said:
I believe the electric seats are able to go lower because the motors take up less room than the manual mechanism - so if you're particularly tall (or long in the body at least) that may be something to bear in mind.
Thanks for the info; it’s interesting because I think traditionally it’s been electric seats which ride a little higher because of the electrical gubbins underneath them... and it’s proving difficult to find a dealer anywhere near me who has a couple of M2Cs with/without the electric seats for me to sit in and compare back to back.I bought mine at the end of January it was fully specced except no sunroof, its got the packs, including electric seats (which do take time if you want to get in the. back) mine also has the uprated brakes, and wheels, I think it listed at £58.5k and I got it new 1st owner for £47k.
Very very happy with it I think with the manual gearbox it has a bit of old school magic, I see it as an analogue car that you have to drive to get the best out of, I tend to use comfort for the steering and sport for everyday driving and think the response and feel is about right.
Just wondering about going to Litchfield for an engine upgrade, spoke to Ian about it earlier in the week and for about £500 and a morning they will give the car an extra 100 BHP. seems good value to me, only issue is engine warranty, but Litchfield say the engine is bullet proof.
Any thoughts
I've had similar thoughts/concerns about our "local" tuning company - Celtic Tuning in Newquay who have provided their stage 1 optimisation to a number of my family's cars over the years. Given that the M2C's engine has been de-tuned so as not to upset M3/M4 buyers paying substantially more for their rides with the same engine, taking up to their stock output and then adding another 50 bhp to approx. 500 bhp with a similar increase in torque would seem like money well spent [£350 by Cetlic Tuning]. But...………….what if ?????
Should we always be in pursuit of bigger numbers or simply enjoy the awesome performance already there?
Should we always be in pursuit of bigger numbers or simply enjoy the awesome performance already there?
I believe Litchfield provide their own warranty for any engine work they do - so you should be covered in case of anything.
Also never actually heard anyone say anything bad about Litchfield. If i were to tune my M2 when it arrives, it would be either Litchfield or Evolve as both have excellent reps.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/litchfi...
Excellent review there
Also never actually heard anyone say anything bad about Litchfield. If i were to tune my M2 when it arrives, it would be either Litchfield or Evolve as both have excellent reps.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/litchfi...
Excellent review there
Edited by Ursicles on Friday 9th August 11:35
Ursicles said:
I believe Litchfield provide their own warranty for any engine work they do - so you should be covered in case of anything.
Also never actually heard anyone say anything bad about Litchfield. If i were to tune my M2 when it arrives, it would be either Litchfield or Evolve as both have excellent reps.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/litchfi...
Excellent review there
Thanks guys,Also never actually heard anyone say anything bad about Litchfield. If i were to tune my M2 when it arrives, it would be either Litchfield or Evolve as both have excellent reps.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/litchfi...
Excellent review there
Edited by Ursicles on Friday 9th August 11:35
The report is very good and I am sure it is as printed but Dan Prosser is a friend of Iain Litchfield.
I have not heard any bad reports about Litchfields and I am thinking of getting my new GT4 the spray film protection that Litchfield do, I looked at several finished examples and they were excellent with no edges (unlike film) and they can also be ceramic coated on top and also polished. The cost is only slightly more than film so I think worth a try.
Thanks for the advice re: the electric seats, I managed to sit in a car with the Comfort Pack at a dealer yesterday; the headroom, legroom and seat height felt absolutely fine for me.
I’ve got a further question regarding the upgraded brake option, I’ve done some reading about it and know it uses the calipers from the CCB option on M3/M4 and larger 400mm discs.
I assume it’s not a full on performance upgrade which gives tonnes of brake dust and brake squeal/shrieking, however, is there an appreciable difference in braking performance between the two different setups?
My car wouldn’t live on track, however it would be used on Scottish mountain roads and may do an occasional track night at Knockhill, along with an annual road trip to Spa and the Nurburgring... so if the upgrade is worth the cash and gives a noticeable increase in performance/longevity then I’m into it; however if it’s more for bragging rights/looks then it may not be for me.
I’ve got a further question regarding the upgraded brake option, I’ve done some reading about it and know it uses the calipers from the CCB option on M3/M4 and larger 400mm discs.
I assume it’s not a full on performance upgrade which gives tonnes of brake dust and brake squeal/shrieking, however, is there an appreciable difference in braking performance between the two different setups?
My car wouldn’t live on track, however it would be used on Scottish mountain roads and may do an occasional track night at Knockhill, along with an annual road trip to Spa and the Nurburgring... so if the upgrade is worth the cash and gives a noticeable increase in performance/longevity then I’m into it; however if it’s more for bragging rights/looks then it may not be for me.
I can't comment on the standard brakes, but I have the upgraded ones on mine. Can't say I've spent too much time in full attack mode as yet, but to date I haven't noticed an abnormal amount of brake dust. My wheels are coated though, so maybe a little easier to clean in any case. Braking performance from them is very good. They bite really well. So much so that I have to be careful when I drive my wife's A6 as I start to expect a similar level of braking when coming to a junction and it just isn't there. I have noticed a small amount of noise out of them occasionally at low speed, but nothing to write home about.
I'd be pretty confident that I could do some quick cross country stuff with them. Whether I could put quick hard laps in on the ring would need to be explored. However I'd like to think they'd be a better starting point if I wanted to.
I'd be pretty confident that I could do some quick cross country stuff with them. Whether I could put quick hard laps in on the ring would need to be explored. However I'd like to think they'd be a better starting point if I wanted to.
Thanks guys, I would be a wee bit more concerned by the weigh increase if it was a lightweight focused car or a car which I was planning to strip to the bones to extract every drop of performance from; but I think of it as more of a muscular sports car with that big engine and reasonable weight, so an extra 15-20kg or whatever on the bigger brakes wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me.
However the actual braking performance would be a deal breaker, so I appreciate your thoughts and findings.
I wonder if there is any actual data on improvements from the bigger brakes out there, or even for the equivalent M Performance kit which comes with the same hardware but red calipers rather than grey?
However the actual braking performance would be a deal breaker, so I appreciate your thoughts and findings.
I wonder if there is any actual data on improvements from the bigger brakes out there, or even for the equivalent M Performance kit which comes with the same hardware but red calipers rather than grey?
MellowshipSlinky said:
I think I read a very detailed analysis of the brakes over on Bimmerpost.
You’ll have to do a bit of searching for it though!
This one?You’ll have to do a bit of searching for it though!
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
Although dynos vary a lot it seems the M2C is making more torque than the M3/4 but producing less power.
I thought I would get mine remapped to 500bhp if 410 didn't seem sufficient but I quickly realised it's the torque that gives it it's character,especially with DCT.
Doesn't seem held back by the exhaust filter either and nice clean pipes aswell.
Great car.
I thought I would get mine remapped to 500bhp if 410 didn't seem sufficient but I quickly realised it's the torque that gives it it's character,especially with DCT.
Doesn't seem held back by the exhaust filter either and nice clean pipes aswell.
Great car.
Olympus593 said:
Although dynos vary a lot it seems the M2C is making more torque than the M3/4 but producing less power.
I thought I would get mine remapped to 500bhp if 410 didn't seem sufficient but I quickly realised it's the torque that gives it it's character,especially with DCT.
Doesn't seem held back by the exhaust filter either and nice clean pipes aswell.
Great car.
Mine has a BM3 map and the car is transformed.I thought I would get mine remapped to 500bhp if 410 didn't seem sufficient but I quickly realised it's the torque that gives it it's character,especially with DCT.
Doesn't seem held back by the exhaust filter either and nice clean pipes aswell.
Great car.
https://www.protuningfreaks.com/collections/bootmo...
I can switch between stock, their CS map (which is around 465bhp and veeeeeeeeery flexible all around the rev range) and the full on stage 2 with around 500bhp in around 2 minutes from my laptop.
The remap really sets the car free and is completely reversible back to stock at the touch of a button.
Didn’t want to start a new thread but I have a question - why does the M2 not make a fart noise on gear change like most of the current crop of auto box performance cars?
Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
MellowshipSlinky said:
Didn’t want to start a new thread but I have a question - why does the M2 not make a fart noise on gear change like most of the current crop of auto box performance cars?
Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
It does do it in sport+ mode. Particularly over 4k revs when blipping or backing off the throttle. Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
DC-1 said:
MellowshipSlinky said:
Didn’t want to start a new thread but I have a question - why does the M2 not make a fart noise on gear change like most of the current crop of auto box performance cars?
Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
It does do it in sport+ mode. Particularly over 4k revs when blipping or backing off the throttle. Surprisingly even my old F TypeR would do it in certain driving modes.
Not heard the M2 do it yet.
Just curious (avoidance of doubt, I hate the sound of the farts...)
My 4C was particularly embarrassing with the noises it made going up through the gears, whether in manual or auto mode.
MellowshipSlinky said:
Sorry, I meant on the up shift.
My 4C was particularly embarrassing with the noises it made going up through the gears, whether in manual or auto mode.
I have found, you can get a similar sort of noise on up shifts in certain conditions, in sport + but nothing like a VAG DSG car or similar.My 4C was particularly embarrassing with the noises it made going up through the gears, whether in manual or auto mode.
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