2019 X3M Competition

[MPJ]

Hi all,

I've still got some in stock in a variety of colour and spec. DM me if interested.

[anonymous-user]

Denno B said:

TVRMs said:

Ordered ours last week, not a stock car. Delivery is 3-4 month. Good discount negotiated.

Big discount as I understand is for stock cars (in the dealer network). Order to spec and it can't be delivered before year end.

So big discounts still available for ordered to spec cars, not just stock cars?

When I enquired about the £549 deal there was no standard spec cars left and any left with options were for end of year delivery.

There was no counter from the dealer to order one at similar price for March delivery, which is what I needed.

Lots less discount but still very good.

[R.Sole]

simonwhite2000 said:

TVRMs said:

Ordered ours last week, not a stock car. Delivery is 3-4 month. Good discount negotiated.

Big discount as I understand is for stock cars (in the dealer network). Order to spec and it can't be delivered before year end.

So did you get the same deal on a factory order? I enquired today but only red blue and crappy gold looking colour left. Lots of X4M comps left but nobody wants that

Why is the X4M not as desirable when the GFV is probably not going to be achieved by either car?

[R.Sole]

Ok, so just back from test drive in the X3M and my initial thoughts are, why oh why when the car has 3 suspension settings can 1 of them be at least semi ‘comfortable”.
The ride apart from on glass smooth roads is for me unacceptable.
The engine is a peach but kind of wasted in this type of car and would be better with more low down torque.
The car needs the £20k discounts because it’s no where near an £80k car and is still expensive at £60k.

So not for me and that’s disappointing because I really wanted to like it but I was out in the new Porsche Macan Turbo on Friday and it’s a far far superior car in every respect apart from price but the 2 are in different leagues. IMHO.

[Simond S]

Collected mine yesterday. A few options including comfort pack which brought the price to £589 / £589

I got my choice of colour as well.

Great deal, guess no one will be retaining them after the initial rental thigh as the cost to refinance will be higher then the cost was as a new rental!

[Pugland53]

R.Sole said:

Ok, so just back from test drive in the X3M and my initial thoughts are, why oh why when the car has 3 suspension settings can 1 of them be at least semi ‘comfortable”.
The ride apart from on glass smooth roads is for me unacceptable.
The engine is a peach but kind of wasted in this type of car and would be better with more low down torque.
The car needs the £20k discounts because it’s no where near an £80k car and is still expensive at £60k.

So not for me and that’s disappointing because I really wanted to like it but I was out in the new Porsche Macan Turbo on Friday and it’s a far far superior car in every respect apart from price but the 2 are in different leagues. IMHO.

I’ve got a Macan GTS and have ordered an X3M. I was originally planning to order a new Macan Turbo but even a medium spec car is well over £75k, whereas the X3 is high £50’s.
For my ideal £550 a month budget, I’d have to put a couple of grand deposit on the X3 but nearly £19k deposit on the Macan. Yes, the Macan is a great car, but there’s no way it’s that much better a car, and those great Porsche residuals aren’t so great as I’ve lost a fair bit on mine.
I test drove an X3M for 90 mins over lots of different road surfaces and it was firm, but not uncomfortably so, anyone used to M Sport BMW suspension etc would have no problem at all with it.

[R.Sole]

Pugland53 said:

R.Sole said:

Ok, so just back from test drive in the X3M and my initial thoughts are, why oh why when the car has 3 suspension settings can 1 of them be at least semi ‘comfortable”.
The ride apart from on glass smooth roads is for me unacceptable.
The engine is a peach but kind of wasted in this type of car and would be better with more low down torque.
The car needs the £20k discounts because it’s no where near an £80k car and is still expensive at £60k.

So not for me and that’s disappointing because I really wanted to like it but I was out in the new Porsche Macan Turbo on Friday and it’s a far far superior car in every respect apart from price but the 2 are in different leagues. IMHO.

I’ve got a Macan GTS and have ordered an X3M. I was originally planning to order a new Macan Turbo but even a medium spec car is well over £75k, whereas the X3 is high £50’s.
For my ideal £550 a month budget, I’d have to put a couple of grand deposit on the X3 but nearly £19k deposit on the Macan. Yes, the Macan is a great car, but there’s no way it’s that much better a car, and those great Porsche residuals aren’t so great as I’ve lost a fair bit on mine.
I test drove an X3M for 90 mins over lots of different road surfaces and it was firm, but not uncomfortably so, anyone used to M Sport BMW suspension etc would have no problem at all with it.

Everyone is different and one mans firm is another’s unacceptable but I found the Macan Turbos ride to be far better sorted than the X3M.
Both these cars will be expensive to own over the term but the chances of having any equity in the BMW is virtually zero but finances aside I just don’t think I could live with the ride,road noise and general harshness of the BMW.
I am not trying to throw shade on the X3 because I really wanted to like it it’s just my impression and I am sure everyone that gets a great deal will be delighted.
Enjoy your new car in good health.

[Wills2]

R.Sole said:

Ok, so just back from test drive in the X3M and my initial thoughts are, why oh why when the car has 3 suspension settings can 1 of them be at least semi ‘comfortable”.
The ride apart from on glass smooth roads is for me unacceptable.
The engine is a peach but kind of wasted in this type of car and would be better with more low down torque.
The car needs the £20k discounts because it’s no where near an £80k car and is still expensive at £60k.

So not for me and that’s disappointing because I really wanted to like it but I was out in the new Porsche Macan Turbo on Friday and it’s a far far superior car in every respect apart from price but the 2 are in different leagues. IMHO.

M cars aren't for everyone that's for sure, I tested the X3M and drove to the dealer in my 7 series with air suspension and didn't even notice the ride of the X3M other than it was fine, the engine is perfectly M in its operation being linear in its power delivery, keen to rev out with superb throttle response that's what we like rather than a gob full of torque at 1500rpm, you have to chase and enjoy chasing the revs as that's the experience on offer.

[R.Sole]

Wills2 said:

M cars aren't for everyone that's for sure, I tested the X3M and drove to the dealer in my 7 series with air suspension and didn't even notice the ride of the X3M other than it was fine, the engine is perfectly M in its operation being linear in its power delivery, keen to rev out with superb throttle response that's what we like rather than a gob full of torque at 1500rpm, you have to chase and enjoy chasing the revs as that's the experience on offer.

Edited by R.Sole on Friday 22 November 07:13

[Wills2]

R.Sole said:

Wills2 said:

M cars aren't for everyone that's for sure, I tested the X3M and drove to the dealer in my 7 series with air suspension and didn't even notice the ride of the X3M other than it was fine, the engine is perfectly M in its operation being linear in its power delivery, keen to rev out with superb throttle response that's what we like rather than a gob full of torque at 1500rpm, you have to chase and enjoy chasing the revs as that's the experience on offer.

As I said “one mans firm is another’s unacceptable” but to say you didn’t notice the ride difference between an air suspended 7 series and the X3M is quite strange and a sad state of affairs for BMWs luxury barge!
I didn’t question the power delivery just the lack of torque.

Hopefully I've managed to sort your quoting out, no I think it just gives another view to yours, the 7er rides beautifully you should try one then you'd be able to comment with some accuracy.

You cannot separate power from torque, they are intrinsically linked, where the torque comes in, how much and how long it lasts defines the power delivery, the S58 engine is set up to give an M experience, as I said not everyone wants a quick squirt of torque at 1500rpm....

Enjoy the Macan it's a nice car.

[R.Sole]

Wills2 said:

R.Sole said:

Wills2 said:

M cars aren't for everyone that's for sure, I tested the X3M and drove to the dealer in my 7 series with air suspension and didn't even notice the ride of the X3M other than it was fine, the engine is perfectly M in its operation being linear in its power delivery, keen to rev out with superb throttle response that's what we like rather than a gob full of torque at 1500rpm, you have to chase and enjoy chasing the revs as that's the experience on offer.

As I said “one mans firm is another’s unacceptable” but to say you didn’t notice the ride difference between an air suspended 7 series and the X3M is quite strange and a sad state of affairs for BMWs luxury barge!
I didn’t question the power delivery just the lack of torque.

Hopefully I've managed to sort your quoting out, no I think it just gives another view to yours, the 7er rides beautifully you should try one then you'd be able to comment with some accuracy.

You cannot separate power from torque, they are intrinsically linked, where the torque comes in, how much and how long it lasts defines the power delivery, the S58 engine is set up to give an M experience, as I said not everyone wants a quick squirt of torque at 1500rpm....

Enjoy the Macan it's a nice car.

Well if it “rides beautifully” then how on earth could you not notice the ride on the X3 when it was quite honestly terrible in the comfort setting let alone in sport or sport plus?
Maybe you should try the Macan and you will see that it does not have a “quick squirt of torque at 1500rpm and then can comment with some accuracy.
Anyway enjoy the M experience as I was only conveying what I found when test driving and one mans food is another’s poison.

[Terminator X]

Wills2 said:

Jabba1977 said:

RGL said:

Anyone can confirm that x3m and x4m built for UK dont crackle or pop due to eu regs?

Correct - not a hint if it from mine

That's actually good news.

It isn't.

TX.

[R.Sole]

Wills2 said:

R.Sole said:

Ok, so just back from test drive in the X3M and my initial thoughts are, why oh why when the car has 3 suspension settings can 1 of them be at least semi ‘comfortable”.
The ride apart from on glass smooth roads is for me unacceptable.
The engine is a peach but kind of wasted in this type of car and would be better with more low down torque.
The car needs the £20k discounts because it’s no where near an £80k car and is still expensive at £60k.

So not for me and that’s disappointing because I really wanted to like it but I was out in the new Porsche Macan Turbo on Friday and it’s a far far superior car in every respect apart from price but the 2 are in different leagues. IMHO.

M cars aren't for everyone that's for sure, I tested the X3M and drove to the dealer in my 7 series with air suspension and didn't even notice the ride of the X3M other than it was fine, the engine is perfectly M in its operation being linear in its power delivery, keen to rev out with superb throttle response that's what we like rather than a gob full of torque at 1500rpm, you have to chase and enjoy chasing the revs as that's the experience on offer.

Ok ,Joe Achilles has done a video on YouTube comparing the X3M and the X3 m40i and they concluded the ride was not good and it was lacking in torque.
I fact he said on a bumpy road the car felt as if it was going to leap across the road it was jumping about so much!
They did say and I agree that the engine is fantastic and will be awesome in the new M3/4.

[undred orse]

Sorry but his assessment must be based on his preconceived dislike of the ride. Yes it is firm -but leaping across the road -simply rubbish. I’ve driven mine almost exclusively on poor a and B roads and whilst the ride is very firm it has none of that sort of uncontrolled reaction. I also question his view of torque.

[R.Sole]

undred orse said:

Sorry but his assessment must be based on his preconceived dislike of the ride. Yes it is firm -but leaping across the road -simply rubbish. I’ve driven mine almost exclusively on poor a and B roads and whilst the ride is very firm it has none of that sort of uncontrolled reaction. I also question his view of torque.

Well I did not have any preconceived views on the X3M and came to the same view on the ride as did another poster Mark-H.
I was just giving my view after test driving and I could not live with the ride or road noise and if other people are fine with it that’s great but don’t try and tell me that the ride is almost as good as an air suspended 7series because that’s bks.

[undred orse]

R.Sole said:

undred orse said:

Sorry but his assessment must be based on his preconceived dislike of the ride. Yes it is firm -but leaping across the road -simply rubbish. I’ve driven mine almost exclusively on poor a and B roads and whilst the ride is very firm it has none of that sort of uncontrolled reaction. I also question his view of torque.

Well I did not have any preconceived views on the X3M and came to the same view on the ride as did another poster Mark-H.
I was just giving my view after test driving and I could not live with the ride or road noise and if other people are fine with it that’s great but don’t try and tell me that the ride is almost as good as an air suspended 7series because that’s bks.

Where did I say that the ride was not firm or very firm - I said this twice.
Where did I compare it to a 7 series ride or suggest that it is almost as good as an air suspended 7 series ride? Answer - nowhere. I would not suggest such a thing as the 7 series ride is much softer/more comfortable.

So before alleging that I am talking "bks" have a read of what I actually said which referred to his claim that was reported that the car felt like it was going to leap across the road as it was jumping about, which in my opinion and experience is bks.

[JMBMWM5]

undred orse said:

Sorry but his assessment must be based on his preconceived dislike of the ride. Yes it is firm -but leaping across the road -simply rubbish. I’ve driven mine almost exclusively on poor a and B roads and whilst the ride is very firm it has none of that sort of uncontrolled reaction. I also question his view of torque.

That bloke always talks BollX. Can't afford a decent car.

[R.Sole]

undred orse said:

R.Sole said:

undred orse said:

Sorry but his assessment must be based on his preconceived dislike of the ride. Yes it is firm -but leaping across the road -simply rubbish. I’ve driven mine almost exclusively on poor a and B roads and whilst the ride is very firm it has none of that sort of uncontrolled reaction. I also question his view of torque.

Well I did not have any preconceived views on the X3M and came to the same view on the ride as did another poster Mark-H.
I was just giving my view after test driving and I could not live with the ride or road noise and if other people are fine with it that’s great but don’t try and tell me that the ride is almost as good as an air suspended 7series because that’s bks.

Where did I say that the ride was not firm or very firm - I said this twice.
Where did I compare it to a 7 series ride or suggest that it is almost as good as an air suspended 7 series ride? Answer - nowhere. I would not suggest such a thing as the 7 series ride is much softer/more comfortable.

So before alleging that I am talking "bks" have a read of what I actually said which referred to his claim that was reported that the car felt like it was going to leap across the road as it was jumping about, which in my opinion and experience is bks.

Sorry I thought you were joining in the conversation that started this debate with a Will stating that he drove to the test drive in his 7series and he “didn’t notice the ride in the X3M” which to me says that they were similar or not far apart in the comfort stakes!
That was the “bks” part.
Again I reiterate I liked the car but just could not live with the ride or road noise but if you can great because it has a stonking engine.
Maybe Joe could post up why he misrepresented the ride quality?

[undred orse]

No Problem.

I agree that the ride is hard - even coming from an M4 Comp and a Mini JCW - and I certainly understand how you could arrive at your assessment which will apply to many who drive one. However the view of Joe as quoted is simply rubbish as I have said and stand by. I also wouldn't try to say it was anything near 7 series comfort and to be honest I think the comfort setting could be a notch softer but it is an M car and does feel special.

[R.Sole]

undred orse said:

No Problem.

I agree that the ride is hard - even coming from an M4 Comp and a Mini JCW - and I certainly understand how you could arrive at your assessment which will apply to many who drive one. However the view of Joe as quoted is simply rubbish as I have said and stand by. I also wouldn't try to say it was anything near 7 series comfort and to be honest I think the comfort setting could be a notch softer but it is an M car and does feel special.

What I can’t understand is why on a car with 3 suspension settings can comfort not be for want of a better term comfortable?