So I just bought an M2 Comp

[Square Leg]

mr momo said:

Square Leg said:

I have an M2C and a 2019 Golf R.
On a wet and twisty B road the Golf is indeed a fair bit better than the M2.
On a dry one though, the M is the better car but not by as much as most would like to think.

I’ve had no such issues with the steering on the M though.

Prior to both these cars had an early F80 M3. Didn’t like it much.

Edited by Square Leg on Friday 16th April 23:51

I traded my 2018 7.5 Golf R for my M2C and agree about wet and twisties v dry. I hated the 7spd DSG (worse than the mk7 6spd). In the dry, the grip/turn-in in the M2C is phenomenal.

Not loving the steering wheel - far too thick and leather is weirdly like PVC.

But this morning’s 70 mile ‘jaunt’ was just fun...

The BMW dct is better than the dsg for sure, but it’s not a problem on the motorway...
The paddle shift in the Golf isn’t great either.
Agree about the M steering wheel - I have quite large hands but have always thought it doesn’t need to be as thick as it is.

[ubbs]

Reg Local said:

Steering feel in the M2C is directly related to the active "M" differential & how you drive the car through corners. It requires an almost 911esque approach where you should sort your speed out on approach and be on the gas right at the point of turn-in. Not hard on the gas at first - just enough to maintain your entry speed, and then increase the acceleration through & out of the corner.

If you adopt this style, the car will turn in with the diff almost completely open, and then gradually lock the diff as you drive through & out of the corner. In my view, it brings the steering alive & almost feels like the car has a variable wheelbase - short on turn-in and long on exit.

I've tried to explain it & demonstrate it all here:

https://youtu.be/m_GcQvHHyRE

Great informative video Reg I never knew this about the diff in nearly 4 years of ownership.

[ant man]

From all the reviews I have read, no modern M car has steering feel. You can make the steering as hard to turn as you like but there isn't much in the way of communication and road chatter. Seems that Porshe is finally getting to grips with EPS but still way short of their hydrualic system from a few years back. BMW has along way to go but it all seems so pointless, where the CO2 gain is, at best, minimal. McLaren won't compromise their cars with EPS.

[Shanksy87]

ant man said:

From all the reviews I have read, no modern M car has steering feel. You can make the steering as hard to turn as you like but there isn't much in the way of communication and road chatter. Seems that Porshe is finally getting to grips with EPS but still way short of their hydrualic system from a few years back. BMW has along way to go but it all seems so pointless, where the CO2 gain is, at best, minimal. McLaren won't compromise their cars with EPS.

I'd agree reference BMW EPS steering feel, or there lack of. However it's a bit unfair to compare against McLaren; a company that sells so few vehicles it doesn't have fleet emissions fines to the tune of 9 figures if it fails them in some markets, and a total ban on sales in others. Every gram of CO2 saved makes a massive difference, we shouldn't berate BMW for choosing the EPS route, only their ability to master it.

[Cyb3rDud3]

I noticed a bit of tram lining in my wife's my2021 m2c. But for general driving I keep the steering in its lowest setting (comfort?) and it is absolutely fine. I find the faster you go the more it all comes together. Very unlike the Golf R I used to have...

[Chazaxl]

Terminator X said:

I went M5C to M2C with not an ounce of regret, it is a truly great car.

TX.

PS was every run out version black as mine is that colour too!

M5 Comp? F10 or newer? Im looking at F10 Comp / M6 Comp (or non comp), but going for a car with warranty has its merits. Any view on the M2 Comp as a daily, does it eat motorway miles well (how refined)? Ive seen people complaining about M4's and boomy noise).

Thanks

[mr momo]

Yesterday was a bad day.

Longest drive since RIS - return 170 mile trip, with wife and daughter in the back seat, on very familiar roads.

On the way back, I found myself pushing hard on overtakes (narrow A Road), but achieving nothing more that the wrath of mrs momo....

I think the three other seats in the car will be empty from now on.....

[Terminator X]

Chazaxl said:

Terminator X said:

I went M5C to M2C with not an ounce of regret, it is a truly great car.

TX.

PS was every run out version black as mine is that colour too!

M5 Comp? F10 or newer? Im looking at F10 Comp / M6 Comp (or non comp), but going for a car with warranty has its merits. Any view on the M2 Comp as a daily, does it eat motorway miles well (how refined)? Ive seen people complaining about M4's and boomy noise).

Thanks

F90 the current version. M2C is fine as a daily imho as that's what I use mine for.

TX.

[dufflecoat]

Love you Reg.

You are one the reasons I bought an M2C. I’m heat for this advise and content.

Reg Local said:

Steering feel in the M2C is directly related to the active "M" differential & how you drive the car through corners. It requires an almost 911esque approach where you should sort your speed out on approach and be on the gas right at the point of turn-in. Not hard on the gas at first - just enough to maintain your entry speed, and then increase the acceleration through & out of the corner.

If you adopt this style, the car will turn in with the diff almost completely open, and then gradually lock the diff as you drive through & out of the corner. In my view, it brings the steering alive & almost feels like the car has a variable wheelbase - short on turn-in and long on exit.

I've tried to explain it & demonstrate it all here:

https://youtu.be/m_GcQvHHyRE

[dufflecoat]

Experimented with this yesterday evening. It certainly makes a difference but needs more practice to change technique.

I’ve also started to use Sport steering as well, as Comfort gave some odd “random” feedback mid corner previously for me.

It doesn’t seem to be keen on steering inputs/corrections mid corner, that’s when it feels odd to me, and that kind of makes sense in Regs explanation.

I’m trying to practice good technique, get speed sorted, then use one steering input before applying throttle once and once only and increasing. Tricky, but steering seems much more compliant in this manner. I wouldn’t say I can “feel” anything though, it’s definitely
lacking there, compared to older M and Pork products.

dufflecoat said:

Love you Reg.

You are one the reasons I bought an M2C. I’m hear for this advise and content.

Reg Local said:

Steering feel in the M2C is directly related to the active "M" differential & how you drive the car through corners. It requires an almost 911esque approach where you should sort your speed out on approach and be on the gas right at the point of turn-in. Not hard on the gas at first - just enough to maintain your entry speed, and then increase the acceleration through & out of the corner.

If you adopt this style, the car will turn in with the diff almost completely open, and then gradually lock the diff as you drive through & out of the corner. In my view, it brings the steering alive & almost feels like the car has a variable wheelbase - short on turn-in and long on exit.

I've tried to explain it & demonstrate it all here:

https://youtu.be/m_GcQvHHyRE

[joshcowin]

Chazaxl said:

M5 Comp? F10 or newer? Im looking at F10 Comp / M6 Comp (or non comp), but going for a car with warranty has its merits. Any view on the M2 Comp as a daily, does it eat motorway miles well (how refined)? Ive seen people complaining about M4's and boomy noise).

Thanks

I have spent the weekend being driven around in one, 3.5 hours motorway, 2 hours country road and open A roads. What a car, really comfy, tyre noise in the back but nothing excessive at all. I am amazed how good it would be as a daily.