M4 CSL

[cerb4.5lee]

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

Yeah - that's very true - my E92 M3 only felt truly quick past 6,500rpm. So you had to be really pushing it to get the most out of it. I loved that engine though!

Yes and it is a cracking engine for sure!

I'd really love to experience that engine in a lighter car though. I've always wondered what the S65 V8 would've been like in something like the Cerbera I had, because that only weighed around 1200kg.

The induction noise from the S65 is heavenly I reckon.

Completely agree - I did read somewhere that somebody put that engine into an E30 shell - can you imagine!

That would be awesome for definite!

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrltHt23oM

Thanks!

[J-P]

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

Yeah - that's very true - my E92 M3 only felt truly quick past 6,500rpm. So you had to be really pushing it to get the most out of it. I loved that engine though!

Yes and it is a cracking engine for sure!

I'd really love to experience that engine in a lighter car though. I've always wondered what the S65 V8 would've been like in something like the Cerbera I had, because that only weighed around 1200kg.

The induction noise from the S65 is heavenly I reckon.

Completely agree - I did read somewhere that somebody put that engine into an E30 shell - can you imagine!

That would be awesome for definite!

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrltHt23oM

Thanks!

[NIgt3]

J-P said:

Trevatanus said:

J-P said:

According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...

Do you work in BMW Marketing by any chance?

Haha - no. But I am surprised that there aren't more car enthusiasts in the M power section of PH. I mean the M5 CS won EVO COTY and if this thing really weighs about 300kg less than that, isn't that something that people like us should be excited about?

If BMW can get this down to under 1500kg, I promise I’ll eat it, the whole car!

[J-P]

NIgt3 said:

J-P said:

Trevatanus said:

J-P said:

According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...

Do you work in BMW Marketing by any chance?

Haha - no. But I am surprised that there aren't more car enthusiasts in the M power section of PH. I mean the M5 CS won EVO COTY and if this thing really weighs about 300kg less than that, isn't that something that people like us should be excited about?

If BMW can get this down to under 1500kg, I promise I’ll eat it, the whole car!

I'd be surprised if it's below 1500kg - Markus Flasch said at least 100kg saving but if it does end up at 1435kg, that statement would be seriously under-playing the extent of the weight saving program.

[Chunkychucky]

cerb4.5lee said:

I much prefer BMWs turbo engines in their M cars, because they help to hide their weight, and the torque really helps to offset the weight I reckon. The M cars with the NA engines only feel quick right at the top of revs, whereas the turbo M cars feel quick everywhere across the rev range in comparison for me.

And this is part of what's wrong. Instead of sticking with great engines and making cars to suit, manufacturers are happy to take the bodge route out of just banging on a turbo to endow a load of torque that shouldn't be needed. If you love the torque of the turbocharged engines, wait until battery power kicks in - you'll be nuts for that..

Unfortunately going to have to accept we're past the days of peak BMW Motorsport, just glad I can still go round and fap over my mate's E24 M635csi, E26 M1, E30 M3 Sport Evo, and other models from before BMW had lost the plot

[cerb4.5lee]

Chunkychucky said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I much prefer BMWs turbo engines in their M cars, because they help to hide their weight, and the torque really helps to offset the weight I reckon. The M cars with the NA engines only feel quick right at the top of revs, whereas the turbo M cars feel quick everywhere across the rev range in comparison for me.

And this is part of what's wrong. Instead of sticking with great engines and making cars to suit, manufacturers are happy to take the bodge route out of just banging on a turbo to endow a load of torque that shouldn't be needed. If you love the torque of the turbocharged engines, wait until battery power kicks in - you'll be nuts for that..

Unfortunately going to have to accept we're past the days of peak BMW Motorsport, just glad I can still go round and fap over my mate's E24 M635csi, E26 M1, E30 M3 Sport Evo, and other models from before BMW had lost the plot

I do think that it is a different one to be honest. The E92 M3 I had was a terrible daily driver for me, poor mpg/poor range, plus max power at 8300rpm so it never actually felt all that punchy unless you revved the backside off it.

In comparison I find the F82 M4 that I have now to be pretty much the ideal daily driver(apart from the very harsh ride), because it has a better range/more mpg/more performance/more torque. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the E92 M3 though, but it is so much more usable/enjoyable to drive as a daily I reckon.

If I lived in Germany instead of the UK, and I could use an autobahn regularly I would take the E92 M3 over the F82 M4 I think. The top end of the E92 M3 is very intoxicating when you have the opportunity to use it for sure.

[Chunkychucky]

cerb4.5lee said:

I do think that it is a different one to be honest. The E92 M3 I had was a terrible daily driver for me, poor mpg/poor range, plus max power at 8300rpm so it never actually felt all that punchy unless you revved the backside off it.

In comparison I find the F82 M4 that I have now to be pretty much the ideal daily driver(apart from the very harsh ride), because it has a better range/more mpg/more performance/more torque. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the E92 M3 though, but it is so much more usable/enjoyable to drive as a daily I reckon.

If I lived in Germany instead of the UK, and I could use an autobahn regularly I would take the E92 M3 over the F82 M4 I think. The top end of the E92 M3 is very intoxicating when you have the opportunity to use it for sure.

Yeah absolutely, for me the E9X M3s and E6X M5/6 were the crossover point - superb engines hamstrung by bloated, overweight bodies and supported (in the case of the bigger cars) by some wk gearboxes, although some people didn't mind them.

I don't mind the previous generation as 'cars', but the problem for me at least is the size. When I get in an E36/46 M3, I can't see why they ever made the M3 bigger than this - feels so right when driving down a road in terms of being able to place the car/use the width of the road, and the styling was superb on both. In need more room? Get an M5 - that is the point of that car's existence at least.

Yeah another good point - all a bit academic really given how overpopulated and undermaintained our road networks are nowadays - struggle to see the redline in an E36 M3 above 2nd gear, let alone use the performance of these modern turbocharged tanks

[cerb4.5lee]

Chunkychucky said:

I don't mind the previous generation as 'cars', but the problem for me at least is the size. When I get in an E36/46 M3, I can't see why they ever made the M3 bigger than this - feels so right when driving down a road in terms of being able to place the car/use the width of the road, and the styling was superb on both.

I still have really fond memories of the E36 M3 that I drove years ago. It was such a lovely car I thought. I think that I actually preferred the E36 to the E46 M3 to drive, and that probably goes against the grain for most though I'd imagine. I reckon most would class the E46 M3 as the sweetest spot for M3s.

[NIgt3]

J-P said:

NIgt3 said:

J-P said:

Trevatanus said:

J-P said:

According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...

Do you work in BMW Marketing by any chance?

Haha - no. But I am surprised that there aren't more car enthusiasts in the M power section of PH. I mean the M5 CS won EVO COTY and if this thing really weighs about 300kg less than that, isn't that something that people like us should be excited about?

If BMW can get this down to under 1500kg, I promise I’ll eat it, the whole car!

I'd be surprised if it's below 1500kg - Markus Flasch said at least 100kg saving but if it does end up at 1435kg, that statement would be seriously under-playing the extent of the weight saving program.

It’ll never be anywhere near that weight, never!!

[NIgt3]

Chunkychucky said:

And this is part of what's wrong. Instead of sticking with great engines and making cars to suit, manufacturers are happy to take the bodge route out of just banging on a turbo to endow a load of torque that shouldn't be needed. If you love the torque of the turbocharged engines, wait until battery power kicks in - you'll be nuts for that..

Unfortunately going to have to accept we're past the days of peak BMW Motorsport, just glad I can still go round and fap over my mate's E24 M635csi, E26 M1, E30 M3 Sport Evo, and other models from before BMW had lost the plot

I couldn’t agree more, the great engines of old will probably never be seen again, anyone can make an engine quick with a turbo, but to make it Without one (or in some cases 4) isn’t so easy!! I’m glad I’ve still got my 6,8,10 & 12 cylinder engined BMW’s, love them!!

[M3consta]

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

Yeah - that's very true - my E92 M3 only felt truly quick past 6,500rpm. So you had to be really pushing it to get the most out of it. I loved that engine though!

Yes and it is a cracking engine for sure!

I'd really love to experience that engine in a lighter car though. I've always wondered what the S65 V8 would've been like in something like the Cerbera I had, because that only weighed around 1200kg.

The induction noise from the S65 is heavenly I reckon.

Completely agree - I did read somewhere that somebody put that engine into an E30 shell - can you imagine!

That would be awesome for definite!

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrltHt23oM

Thanks!

His S85 V10 E46 also looks quite interesting: https://www.driftworks.com/blog/garage/driftworks-...
There was also a great thread on here a while ago (which I’ve since lost) with an Icelandic guy who was doing an S85 with DCT into an E30, don’t know if it ever got finished though…

[cerb4.5lee]

M3consta said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

Yeah - that's very true - my E92 M3 only felt truly quick past 6,500rpm. So you had to be really pushing it to get the most out of it. I loved that engine though!

Yes and it is a cracking engine for sure!

I'd really love to experience that engine in a lighter car though. I've always wondered what the S65 V8 would've been like in something like the Cerbera I had, because that only weighed around 1200kg.

The induction noise from the S65 is heavenly I reckon.

Completely agree - I did read somewhere that somebody put that engine into an E30 shell - can you imagine!

That would be awesome for definite!

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrltHt23oM

Thanks!

His S85 V10 E46 also looks quite interesting: https://www.driftworks.com/blog/garage/driftworks-...
There was also a great thread on here a while ago (which I’ve since lost) with an Icelandic guy who was doing an S85 with DCT into an E30, don’t know if it ever got finished though…

That is quality thanks!

[J-P]

M3consta said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J-P said:

Yeah - that's very true - my E92 M3 only felt truly quick past 6,500rpm. So you had to be really pushing it to get the most out of it. I loved that engine though!

Yes and it is a cracking engine for sure!

I'd really love to experience that engine in a lighter car though. I've always wondered what the S65 V8 would've been like in something like the Cerbera I had, because that only weighed around 1200kg.

The induction noise from the S65 is heavenly I reckon.

Completely agree - I did read somewhere that somebody put that engine into an E30 shell - can you imagine!

That would be awesome for definite!

Found it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrltHt23oM

Thanks!

His S85 V10 E46 also looks quite interesting: https://www.driftworks.com/blog/garage/driftworks-...
There was also a great thread on here a while ago (which I’ve since lost) with an Icelandic guy who was doing an S85 with DCT into an E30, don’t know if it ever got finished though…

Yeah - that is pretty cool! I remember that E30 with the V10 as well - it looked amazing!

[J-P]

NIgt3 said:

J-P said:

NIgt3 said:

J-P said:

Trevatanus said:

J-P said:

According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...

Do you work in BMW Marketing by any chance?

Haha - no. But I am surprised that there aren't more car enthusiasts in the M power section of PH. I mean the M5 CS won EVO COTY and if this thing really weighs about 300kg less than that, isn't that something that people like us should be excited about?

If BMW can get this down to under 1500kg, I promise I’ll eat it, the whole car!

I'd be surprised if it's below 1500kg - Markus Flasch said at least 100kg saving but if it does end up at 1435kg, that statement would be seriously under-playing the extent of the weight saving program.

It’ll never be anywhere near that weight, never!!

I know but if by some miracle it is - expect to see me back here

[J-P]

NIgt3 said:

Chunkychucky said:

And this is part of what's wrong. Instead of sticking with great engines and making cars to suit, manufacturers are happy to take the bodge route out of just banging on a turbo to endow a load of torque that shouldn't be needed. If you love the torque of the turbocharged engines, wait until battery power kicks in - you'll be nuts for that..

Unfortunately going to have to accept we're past the days of peak BMW Motorsport, just glad I can still go round and fap over my mate's E24 M635csi, E26 M1, E30 M3 Sport Evo, and other models from before BMW had lost the plot

I couldn’t agree more, the great engines of old will probably never be seen again, anyone can make an engine quick with a turbo, but to make it Without one (or in some cases 4) isn’t so easy!! I’m glad I’ve still got my 6,8,10 & 12 cylinder engined BMW’s, love them!!

I had an E36 M3, loved it - thought it was an amazing car. And I do love a naturally aspirated engine. The flat 6 in my old GT3 being the absolute highlight of my car ownership. But some turbo engines are pretty bloody cool too! The one in the new M5 for example is mind-blowing! Relentless is probably the best description for it.

[J-P]

OK - this definitely sounds interesting. CSL with manual 'box but ultra limited, available end 2022.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t...

[J-P]

Looks like it's definitely going to be a CSL and not a CS - the pics of the new seats look pretty cool too!

https://carbuzz.com/news/take-a-look-inside-the-20...

[Matthew7711]

It’s massive.

[FTW]

I cannot see this living up to the name, I hope I'm wrong!

[J-P]

Matthew7711 said:

It’s massive.

True - pretty much all cars are these days...