M4 CSL

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nickfrog

19,633 posts

207 months

Thursday 27th January 2022
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Matthew7711 said:
It’s massive.
I reckon it's the size of the car it's based ON, unsurprisingly. Cars are getting bigger but that has also been opening up smaller M car offerings like the 1M and M2, which are the size of fairly recent M3s like the E46, while M3/M4 are the size of fairly recent M5s.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th January 2022
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FTW said:
I cannot see this living up to the name, I hope I'm wrong!
Markus Flasch (Ex chief of BMW-M) suggested at least a 100kg weight saving over the standard M4, which weighs 1725kg, so it will weigh around 1625kg, which is still pretty portly! Although about the same as my old E92 M3. The lowest figure I've seen on the internet is 1435kg, which feels ridiculously low for obvious reasons. I mean if you made a near 300kg weight-saving, why would you suggest around 100kg saving?

Chunkychucky

5,741 posts

159 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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J-P said:
The lowest figure I've seen on the internet is 1435kg, which feels ridiculously low for obvious reasons. I mean if you made a near 300kg weight-saving, why would you suggest around 100kg saving?
As you say it's ridiculous - I read on the internet Hitler was alive and well in South America. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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Chunkychucky said:
J-P said:
The lowest figure I've seen on the internet is 1435kg, which feels ridiculously low for obvious reasons. I mean if you made a near 300kg weight-saving, why would you suggest around 100kg saving?
As you say it's ridiculous - I read on the internet Hitler was alive and well in South America. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
I don't, hence why I said "it feels ridiculously low". The Markus Flasch interview is likely to be far more on the money as a) he was the boss of BMW M at the time (although he was just about to leave to become the head of Rolls Royce) and b) 100kg is the kind of weight loss you could expect from use of lightweight materials, less sound deadening and no rear seats - which are all things that it looks like BMW are going to do with this car.

nickfrog

19,633 posts

207 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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J-P said:
Markus Flasch (Ex chief of BMW-M) suggested at least a 100kg weight saving over the standard M4, which weighs 1725kg, so it will weigh around 1625kg, which is still pretty portly! Although about the same as my old E92 M3.
Given how much bigger/stiffer the M4 is, that would be really impressive.

mmm-five

10,732 posts

274 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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nickfrog said:
Given how much bigger/stiffer the M4 is, that would be really impressive.
...and still lighter than an 90's era e34 M5.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Friday 28th January 2022
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mmm-five said:
nickfrog said:
Given how much bigger/stiffer the M4 is, that would be really impressive.
...and still lighter than an 90's era e34 M5.
Good point! I think a 100kg weight loss is pretty good and the implication is at least 100kg...

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2022
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Have you chaps seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_JL29K6Us

I think that's the M4CSL at 38s on the video - looks like it has the ducktail spoiler and ceramic brakes.

ChrisW.

5,168 posts

245 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Didn't F80 to G80 add around 200 kilos ?


cerb4.5lee

26,969 posts

170 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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ChrisW. said:
Didn't F80 to G80 add around 200 kilos ?
yes

Autocar weighed the G82 RWD M4 at 1800kg.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Friday 1st April 2022
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ChrisW. said:
Didn't F80 to G80 add around 200 kilos ?
OMG - did it really?

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Wednesday 4th May 2022
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Pupp

11,853 posts

262 months

Wednesday 4th May 2022
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Love the way they have obscured the grille with the mood lighting… still would ‘though!

dufflecoat

942 posts

220 months

Friday 6th May 2022
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I fear their is nothing L about this CSL. It’s a CS at best.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Monday 9th May 2022
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dufflecoat said:
I fear their is nothing L about this CSL. It’s a CS at best.
Hmmm... only 10 days to wait!

Chunkychucky

5,741 posts

159 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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dufflecoat said:
I fear their is nothing L about this CSL. It’s a CS at best.
yes Tbf the E46 stretched the moniker too, didn't exactly go out and win the European Touring Car Championship back-to-back multiple times like the proper CSLs.

nickfrog

19,633 posts

207 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Chunkychucky said:
yes Tbf the E46 stretched the moniker too, didn't exactly go out and win the European Touring Car Championship back-to-back multiple times like the proper CSLs.
A race car being lighter than a road car? What a shocker.

Tommie38

725 posts

184 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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J-P said:
According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...
Doesn’t seem that likely to me.

J-P

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4,321 posts

196 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Tommie38 said:
J-P said:
According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...
Doesn’t seem that likely to me.
Agree - I reckon around 1600kg - we will find out in 9 days though!

dufflecoat

942 posts

220 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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I have seen 1 x M3 and 1 x M4 on the road. So they are not selling well. Also, completely silent due to PF etc.

All theses things mean this new CSL will lack character. Suppose thats progress!