E60 M5 vs F10 M5 thoughts

E60 M5 vs F10 M5 thoughts

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Harry Rule

183 posts

44 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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I've had a few M cars now and I've never done an interim oil change on any of them, always just serviced them as and when the car flags it up and I've never had a problem with any of them.

I think the main reason they fail is dodgy re maps, or legit ones for that matter and unsympathetic driving styles.

I've never really got why you would re map one of these, they can barely put their power down in standard form never mind with 700+ horsepower.

TheAngryDog

12,460 posts

212 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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rassi said:
TheAngryDog said:
The bi-annual oil changes is one of the reasons these fail.
If only it had bi-annual oil changes, rather than every 2 years (or 18.000 miles/30.000 km).
Curses for putting the wrong wording, but you know what I meant!

TheAngryDog

12,460 posts

212 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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Harry Rule said:
I've had a few M cars now and I've never done an interim oil change on any of them, always just serviced them as and when the car flags it up and I've never had a problem with any of them.

I think the main reason they fail is dodgy re maps, or legit ones for that matter and unsympathetic driving styles.

I've never really got why you would re map one of these, they can barely put their power down in standard form never mind with 700+ horsepower.
I'd prefer a remapped one serviced every 5k over a standard one serviced every 18k anyway day of the week and twice on a Sunday!

Harry Rule

183 posts

44 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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TheAngryDog said:
Harry Rule said:
I've had a few M cars now and I've never done an interim oil change on any of them, always just serviced them as and when the car flags it up and I've never had a problem with any of them.

I think the main reason they fail is dodgy re maps, or legit ones for that matter and unsympathetic driving styles.

I've never really got why you would re map one of these, they can barely put their power down in standard form never mind with 700+ horsepower.
I'd prefer a remapped one serviced every 5k over a standard one serviced every 18k anyway day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
Yeah fair enough, nothing wrong with that approach and more frequent oil changes.

My philosophy has always been to buy from a BMW dealer as an approved used car, service as required and keep the extended warranty going, then if it has a mechanical meltdown it's back to the dealer for them to sort out.

TheAngryDog

12,460 posts

212 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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Harry Rule said:
TheAngryDog said:
Harry Rule said:
I've had a few M cars now and I've never done an interim oil change on any of them, always just serviced them as and when the car flags it up and I've never had a problem with any of them.

I think the main reason they fail is dodgy re maps, or legit ones for that matter and unsympathetic driving styles.

I've never really got why you would re map one of these, they can barely put their power down in standard form never mind with 700+ horsepower.
I'd prefer a remapped one serviced every 5k over a standard one serviced every 18k anyway day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
Yeah fair enough, nothing wrong with that approach and more frequent oil changes.

My philosophy has always been to buy from a BMW dealer as an approved used car, service as required and keep the extended warranty going, then if it has a mechanical meltdown it's back to the dealer for them to sort out.
That is a very sensible policy. I'd add that it would be worth getting the dealer to check to make sure that the car has never been mapped before purchasing as that will invalidate the warranty.

MikeM6

5,116 posts

105 months

Tuesday 19th September 2023
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Harry Rule said:
I've had a few M cars now and I've never done an interim oil change on any of them, always just serviced them as and when the car flags it up and I've never had a problem with any of them.

I think the main reason they fail is dodgy re maps, or legit ones for that matter and unsympathetic driving styles.

I've never really got why you would re map one of these, they can barely put their power down in standard form never mind with 700+ horsepower.
I would say that this approach is what most have done as first and second owners, although they might have added in unsympathetic driving style for good measure. For for the first 40k miles, but that approach might not be good for the longevity of the car.

Mine gets an oil change every year, which works about at every 3k miles or so. I see it as not just keeping the car going for me, but maintaining it so it should last a lot longer than just my ownership.

A44RON

Original Poster:

500 posts

99 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Update:

I didn't go through with that car and got my deposit back.

The pre-purchase inspection came back with: "Found misfire on idle when cold. Checked running PCV pressures as these engines are known to have piston ring issues."

"Found running PCV pressures uneven - indicating some piston ring blow-by. Further diagnostics would be required to confirm piston failure."

Gutted, as the spec was lovely. The search for a good M5 continues... thanks for the comments so far beer

A44RON

Original Poster:

500 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th September 2023
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It looks like that car i pulled out of has sold. Oh well.

Part of me is now thinking should I just bottle it and get a 435i or 235i coupe and have a simpler (albeit less enjoyable) motoring experience... but then again, M5 is M5

It's proving harder to find a good one than i thought.

bmwmike

7,106 posts

111 months

Tuesday 26th September 2023
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Do what I do. Get close to buying one then look on here for the latest grenade and then be thankful a new ebike motor is only 800 smackers. Haha

Tony B2

629 posts

178 months

Saturday 30th September 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
For me personally I'd steer well clear of using one as a daily. The range/mpg could grate, plus the engines characteristics suit open/clear roads in my opinion as well. I absolutely hated my E92 M3 day to day on my commute, but I do appreciate that we are all different though for sure.
You did not like your E92 M3?

GTFA...!

You have never mentioned that before...

E90_M3Ross

35,301 posts

215 months

Saturday 30th September 2023
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Tony B2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
For me personally I'd steer well clear of using one as a daily. The range/mpg could grate, plus the engines characteristics suit open/clear roads in my opinion as well. I absolutely hated my E92 M3 day to day on my commute, but I do appreciate that we are all different though for sure.
You did not like your E92 M3?

GTFA...!

You have never mentioned that before...
laugh a NA car with over 400bhp simply cannot even move, don'tcha know. Christ knows how I ever. Survived with a 75bhp hatchback in the past!

skeeterm5

3,438 posts

191 months

Saturday 30th September 2023
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Tony B2 said:
You did not like your E92 M3?

GTFA...!

You have never mentioned that before...
I owned an E92 M3 and hated it. Kept it 3 months and sold it back to the dealer I bought it from.

E90_M3Ross

35,301 posts

215 months

Saturday 30th September 2023
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skeeterm5 said:
Tony B2 said:
You did not like your E92 M3?

GTFA...!

You have never mentioned that before...
I owned an E92 M3 and hated it. Kept it 3 months and sold it back to the dealer I bought it from.
Why did you buy it?

Tony B2

629 posts

178 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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skeeterm5 said:
I owned an E92 M3 and hated it. Kept it 3 months and sold it back to the dealer I bought it from.
Did you not bother to have a test drive before purchase...?

skeeterm5

3,438 posts

191 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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E90_M3Ross said:
Why did you buy it?
I was coming from an E60 M5 and fancied a change.

It was fun on a short test drive, looked great and in a lovely dark blue colour.

But driving it as a daily I just didn’t gel with it and found It had no real sense of occasion.

I drive normally on the roads and in normal, real world, driving it was just a bit boring.

I bought another E60 M5.

cerb4.5lee

31,670 posts

183 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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Tony B2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
For me personally I'd steer well clear of using one as a daily. The range/mpg could grate, plus the engines characteristics suit open/clear roads in my opinion as well. I absolutely hated my E92 M3 day to day on my commute, but I do appreciate that we are all different though for sure.
You did not like your E92 M3?

GTFA...!

You have never mentioned that before...
I thought that we would be over this by now Tony? smile

No need to roll eyes at me now surely? beer

Schermerhorn

4,344 posts

192 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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I had an E63 M6 and found the engine on full song glorious but the lack of low-down torque is something I found frustrating.

The wider torque band which can be accessed far lower down in the F10 4.4 unit is something I personally prefer.

The 5.0 V10 is like a giant VTEC engine and you need to have access to empty A and B roads to really enjoy the most out of it. There it is simply majestic and in its element.

The 4.4 V8 is better suited for the daily commute and doesn't need several downshifts to get into the optimum torque window to start making good progress.

One thing I do like about the V10 though is that because it has a short power band, it's delivery is not spiky because you're having to rev it out therefore fully aware and in control of what you're intending there it won't catch you by surprise because you're hammering it as intended.

The 4.4 V8 can get more spiky when you have a big torque dump as you shift down and all the power comes on boost. I found it a little twitchy under those particular circumstances.

Just my opinion, but for regular driving and making 'effortless' progress, I prefer the 4.4 V8.

Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

66 months

Sunday 26th November 2023
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Owned an f10 for 6 weeks very very boring. No real sound, And just a thirsty daily. Buy the e60 for weekend dad duties perfection.

MikeM6

5,116 posts

105 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I nearly bought an F13 M6 recently, it was certainly a less exciting engine, but very effective. Overall the car was nicer than mine, but less special. It really did make me want a DCT box in mine though!

However.... Insurance on is a problem on the newer car. Many company just said no, others wanted 3-5x as much as my current M6. Whilst VED is only a small cost on the grand scheme of things, at £700 it would have been more than I wanted to spend (mine is about £400 now).

Running costs therefore didn't seem much better for me right now, as well as the issue of the car being £30k up front and just not as exciting.

Shame, as the F13 is a really lovely looking thing, especially inside.

E90_M3Ross

35,301 posts

215 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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MikeM6 said:
I nearly bought an F13 M6 recently, it was certainly a less exciting engine, but very effective. Overall the car was nicer than mine, but less special. It really did make me want a DCT box in mine though!

However.... Insurance on is a problem on the newer car. Many company just said no, others wanted 3-5x as much as my current M6. Whilst VED is only a small cost on the grand scheme of things, at £700 it would have been more than I wanted to spend (mine is about £400 now).

Running costs therefore didn't seem much better for me right now, as well as the issue of the car being £30k up front and just not as exciting.

Shame, as the F13 is a really lovely looking thing, especially inside.
My dad had a sakhir orange one with black leather interior many moons ago. He came from an E92 M3. It was noticeably faster than the M3 in a straight line but really dull in comparison too, in my opinion. He kept it for 2 years I think. M3 stayed for 4.5 before that.....