E60 M5 vs F10 M5 thoughts

E60 M5 vs F10 M5 thoughts

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A44RON

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500 posts

99 months

Sunday 16th June
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Update:

I've just bought a house, which means a change of commute from mostly fun 60mph and 50mph zones, to boring 40mph and 30mph zones all the way from the new home to work. Approximately 12 miles each way.

Which has now got me considering my options:

Option 1: buy just one nice, new-ish, daily car that can do everything for 40k like an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, 2014-2016 F10 M5 Comp or F87 M2 Comp.

Option 2: buy a cheap reliable daily beater purely for the boring Monday-Friday work commute, like a Toyota Camry V6 etc. and then buy the best E60 M5 / E63 M6 V10 I can find for the weekend and 500-mile car club road trips... and chuck another 15k-20k at it for rod bearings, throttle actuators, race exhaust and Eventuri bits - getting it exactly how I want it to be.


cheers


Stick Legs

5,301 posts

168 months

Sunday 16th June
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Option 2.

The problem with Option 1 is that you normalise things very quickly, I use my Range Rover as a daily and it doesn't feel that special at all until I spend time in something else, then it's like a revelation getting back in!

Keep something like an M5 for best and you will appreciate it every time you use it.

ETA:

Another thing I have learned driving expensive cars is that if you have another daily to use, then when a failure does occur you can think about the best course of action and be unemotional about planning to repair it.

If you have the M5 as your only car it must get what it needs right now, even if the repair could have allowed some preventative maintenance to happen while it was in bits, but you didn't have the time or the money there and then.

When I have had a daily every decision I made about work on my 'best' car was more considered and more cost effective, to the point where a well chosen daily will pay for itself.


Edited by Stick Legs on Sunday 16th June 12:27

theboss

6,977 posts

222 months

Monday 17th June
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Agree with above. I don't drive mine particularly often these days but when I did recently, the fan blower burned out so now I have no blown air inside the cabin (actually that's not completely true the rear works - I guess the 4-zone setup has two fans).

Not such an issue at the moment as it's a case of driving with sunroof / windows open slightly but I'm supposed to be taking it on a 4500 mile trip to Greece in 5 weeks time, so can organise getting it repaired meanwhile.

Any other complaints I can 'save up' for when its going into a dealer or independent whereas if it's a daily car I'd to rectify immediately.

161k miles now and things are starting to need doing more regularly.

A44RON

Original Poster:

500 posts

99 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Interesting, thanks for the replies.

I will put together a nerdy spreadsheet comparing the two options and potential costs... I am liking the idea of running a daily snotter to work-and-back though and having the project E60 M5

Cheers

Stick Legs

5,301 posts

168 months

Tuesday 18th June
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My high water mark in cylinder count and displacement was running a Vauxhall Omega 3.0 V6 Elite as my daily and having an XJ-S 5.3 V12 for best.

8.3 litres and 18 cylinders.

The Omega was actually lovely and the XJ-S stayed feeling special.

Blimey, that was 16 years ago!

Snubs

1,201 posts

142 months

Tuesday 18th June
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I was in a not too dissimilar position last Autumn when deciding what to replace my F10 530d with, an F10 M5 being at the top of the list for a long time. In the end i went with an F82 M4. I note you were considering the M5 and M2, perhaps the M3/4 offers a bit of both?

One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.

Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.

Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...

End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic smile

E90_M3Ross

35,300 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Snubs said:
I was in a not too dissimilar position last Autumn when deciding what to replace my F10 530d with, an F10 M5 being at the top of the list for a long time. In the end i went with an F82 M4. I note you were considering the M5 and M2, perhaps the M3/4 offers a bit of both?

One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.

Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.

Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...

End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic smile
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.

KPB1973

929 posts

102 months

Thursday 20th June
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E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.

I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.

E90_M3Ross

35,300 posts

215 months

Thursday 20th June
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KPB1973 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.

I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.
I gather that S63 engine in that generation M5/6 is pretty awful.

MikeM6

5,111 posts

105 months

Friday 21st June
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E90_M3Ross said:
KPB1973 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.

I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.
I gather that S63 engine in that generation M5/6 is pretty awful.
They are hugely effective at moving a heavy car very quickly, but they are less exciting and have some well documented reliability issues (especially the early ones I think). I wouldn't describe them as awful, just not one of the greats.

ArmaghMan

2,473 posts

183 months

Monday 8th July
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rassi said:
TheAngryDog said:
I think it really boils down to what you want the car to do. Daily? F10 every time. Weekend / day out blast? E60.

You definitely need to drive both, and if possible, drive both for more than 10 minutes. Neither will be warmed up by then so you won't get to experience the fun stuff!

For me the DCT is miles ahead of the SMG, but that doesn't mean I dislike SMG - its rawness when changing gear (especially now, ESS alter the SMG parameters so FFS is now quite brutal!)

The V10 really is an occasion. Either way, Lee is right, you can't really lose if you buy based on your requirements.
100 % this
Another vote for this view. When you want to drive the nuts off it the E60 gearbox is the answer.
Day to day it's the answer to a question nobody has ever asked.