NEW M3 CS VS E46 CSL

NEW M3 CS VS E46 CSL

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Matthew7711

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66 months

DjSki

1,261 posts

168 months

Friday 8th December 2017
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This blog is pretty awful, n'est pas?

Mr Whippy

24,948 posts

214 months

Friday 22nd December 2017
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I remember going to drive some supercars at Elvington in early 2008 and you'd get shown around the course in a CSL before, then ragged around in a CSL after.

The whole point of these is to drive them, road or track.
It's like the 360CS, (driven at Elvington that same visit), now valued stupidly.

Given the bubbles in values of so many cars right now I'd be swiftly selling out if I had either of those cars because I can't see them being really worth that much until there are a lot less around in another 10-15yrs time.

darreni

2,925 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd December 2017
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For some of us, the value of the car isn’t related to its selling price.

Mr Whippy

24,948 posts

214 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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darreni said:
For some of us, the value of the car isn’t related to its selling price.
If it's selling price doesn't effect your use of the car then that is great.

I'd bet most people enjoying that perspective bought their CSL near new or at the end of their dip in prices though, so have had their money's worth.


I was looking at 996T and M3 CSL a bit in 09/10.
It'd have been a stretch.
Around then they seemed very good value for an 'ok' example.
I expected continuing mild depreciation but in hindsight they'd have essentially been 'free to run'

Edited by Mr Whippy on Saturday 23 December 00:33

Evolved

2,957 posts

160 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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I sold my CSL right before they rocketed to the silly prices being asked. It was a truly superb car in looks, feel and build but let down massively with the gearbox. The SMG is such a marmite affair, for me it just didn’t work.

If I could have afforded to keep it (sold to fund house renovations) I would have still had it, but it would have been purely as an investment piece.

Still the best looking car BMW have ever produced.

Wills2

18,939 posts

148 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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Evolved said:


Still the best looking car BMW have ever produced.
I think the 328/M1/e9 CS and Z8 would have something to say about that.



Yanto

533 posts

181 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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Mr Whippy said:
I remember going to drive some supercars at Elvington in early 2008 and you'd get shown around the course in a CSL before, then ragged around in a CSL after.

The whole point of these is to drive them, road or track.
It's like the 360CS, (driven at Elvington that same visit), now valued stupidly.

Given the bubbles in values of so many cars right now I'd be swiftly selling out if I had either of those cars because I can't see them being really worth that much until there are a lot less around in another 10-15yrs time.
Nah....the ex-owner path is littered with regret.

I bought in 2009 and was offered double what I paid a couple of years back with +30k miles.

Sometimes (particularly when you're a petrolhead) there is more to life than a quick buck.

Yanto

533 posts

181 months

Saturday 23rd December 2017
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Wills2 said:
Evolved said:


Still the best looking car BMW have ever produced.
I think the 328/M1/e9 CS and Z8 would have something to say about that.

I'll give you the E9 and perhaps 328, but M1 and Z8 ain't stunners..

The E46 M shape (regular M3 and CSL) has perfect proportions imo. Appreciate eye of beholder etc.

Evolved

2,957 posts

160 months

Sunday 24th December 2017
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Wills2 said:
Evolved said:


Still the best looking car BMW have ever produced.
I think the 328/M1/e9 CS and Z8 would have something to say about that.

It’s all subjective, you may prefer blondes, me, I’m a brunette man.

The E46 CSL was and still is, proportionally bang on. For me, their best yet.

Wills2

18,939 posts

148 months

Sunday 24th December 2017
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Evolved said:
Wills2 said:
Evolved said:


Still the best looking car BMW have ever produced.
I think the 328/M1/e9 CS and Z8 would have something to say about that.

It’s all subjective, you may prefer blondes, me, I’m a brunette man.

The E46 CSL was and still is, proportionally bang on. For me, their best yet.
I forgot the 507 roadster as well, as you say all in the eye of the beholder, the CSL is a great looking car of its type and the best looking e46, but for me that's where it ends.





Mr Whippy

24,948 posts

214 months

Sunday 24th December 2017
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Yanto said:
Nah....the ex-owner path is littered with regret.

I bought in 2009 and was offered double what I paid a couple of years back with +30k miles.

Sometimes (particularly when you're a petrolhead) there is more to life than a quick buck.
As long as owners who now find themselves in huge positive equity (vs what they assumed) still use and enjoy them then that is great.

If it's made them become over-protective that's not so good.

Bar the ones I went in at Elvington I've never seen one out on the road.

I bet the chances are even lower now.

I'd sell it if I wasn't going to use it, despite the fact I'd be tempted to hold on to see how high the prices got.
Cars as investments seems to me like the antithesis of being a car enthusiast.

trawler

165 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th December 2017
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Mr Whippy said:
As long as owners who now find themselves in huge positive equity (vs what they assumed) still use and enjoy them then that is great.

If it's made them become over-protective that's not so good.

Bar the ones I went in at Elvington I've never seen one out on the road.

I bet the chances are even lower now.

I'd sell it if I wasn't going to use it, despite the fact I'd be tempted to hold on to see how high the prices got.
Cars as investments seems to me like the antithesis of being a car enthusiast.
You just need to be in the right place at the right time. End of Nov 2017.


Yanto

533 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th December 2017
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trawler said:
Mr Whippy said:
As long as owners who now find themselves in huge positive equity (vs what they assumed) still use and enjoy them then that is great.

If it's made them become over-protective that's not so good.

Bar the ones I went in at Elvington I've never seen one out on the road.

I bet the chances are even lower now.

I'd sell it if I wasn't going to use it, despite the fact I'd be tempted to hold on to see how high the prices got.
Cars as investments seems to me like the antithesis of being a car enthusiast.
You just need to be in the right place at the right time. End of Nov 2017.

A good day out.......and still on cups thumbup

trawler

165 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th December 2017
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Yanto said:
A good day out.......and still on cups thumbup
Yes, great day. Must do it again when the weather is better.

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Pip1968

1,224 posts

177 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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It is a great shame the CSL was not made with a manual option but saying that the new CS is still a fat boy - 1585 Kg !!!! If it was a proper CS Leichtbau then you may be able to compare. As an autobahn cruiser with a dash of sport thrown in it is interesting but is too fat for track and too big for congested UK roads. Does it have a manual option?

As already said the e46 is a beautiful looking car (one of the best) and the e90 M variants are pretty good but just too big.

Pip