Nissan/Toyota and french engines..
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- have been surprised how many cars, inc merc, the french engines are showing up in. for the life of me i'd never buy any jap car carrying one. obviously its reducing costs etc, but every mechanic ive spoken to at franchised dealers reckon they are problematic , especially the electrics. will this trend of using such engines/electrics continued you think??
sad to hear.
It seems Toyota have pulled a similar trick with their Proace. i ducked into the service bay to talk to a technician who warned me of the problems they have been having with the Renault engine. He told me to try and find a Hiace and run it into the ground - after 200k miles !!
It seems Toyota have pulled a similar trick with their Proace. i ducked into the service bay to talk to a technician who warned me of the problems they have been having with the Renault engine. He told me to try and find a Hiace and run it into the ground - after 200k miles !!
Toyota used the old 1.9d psa engine in their late 90s corolla nothing, mitsubishi used Renault 1.9dci in carismas and Mercedes 1.5d in colts, the 1.6 and 1.4 hdi engines are in most of fiesta focus and connects of ford. In my eyes it should be advertised as to what original manufacturer engine is used in a car. A friend of my father's bought a new qashqai when they first came out after being a loyal Nissan customer for years when he found out it was a Renault engine and everything else was made of chocolate he traded it in against a sportage it was only a couple of months old
In this month's What Car, the Nissan Qashquai is listed as most unreliable petrol SUV. hmmm...
..that said its not only the French engine Jap cars that have issues. The latest MX-5 is the most unreliable sports car according to What Car and I believe that car has no French bits, or Ford bits for that matter, now that Mazda is a wholly independent company again...
I love the OP's perception of the french. Do not forget that Renault are one of the most successful engine suppliers in F1 ever and the same could be said with rallying. French engines were also at the forefront in the diesel game for many years and they know how to put together a decent petrol engine too.
kurt535 said:
- have been surprised how many cars, inc merc, the french engines are showing up in. for the life of me i'd never buy any jap car carrying one. obviously its reducing costs etc, but every mechanic ive spoken to at franchised dealers reckon they are problematic , especially the electrics. will this trend of using such engines/electrics continued you think??
Dated and archaic views, the electrics are often a variety of bosch, continental etc. systems and just as reliable as any other marque. Of all the problems I've had with french cars (3 so far) none have been electrical.
GrumpyTwig said:
kurt535 said:
- have been surprised how many cars, inc merc, the french engines are showing up in. for the life of me i'd never buy any jap car carrying one. obviously its reducing costs etc, but every mechanic ive spoken to at franchised dealers reckon they are problematic , especially the electrics. will this trend of using such engines/electrics continued you think??
Dated and archaic views, the electrics are often a variety of bosch, continental etc. systems and just as reliable as any other marque. Of all the problems I've had with french cars (3 so far) none have been electrical.
Having spent 5 years selling Renault to fleet users, some of which do silly miles a year I can hand on heart say the engines are fine. The quickshift gearboxes are rubbish and when they launched the new Master van the CV joints were made of chocolate on the first ones. Other than that the cars and van on the whole are pretty good.
French electrics being rubbish is a hangover from the past much like rusty Fiats and any number of stereotypes
French electrics being rubbish is a hangover from the past much like rusty Fiats and any number of stereotypes
You can't base an opinion on an engines reliability on a country. They will be designed and engineered from a team of people internationally from all companies involved. You will get good and bad engines made in all countries and it's related to team working on it (design and manufacture) not the geographical location of where it happened.
BricktopST205 said:
I love the OP's perception of the french. Do not forget that Renault are one of the most successful engine suppliers in F1 ever and the same could be said with rallying. French engines were also at the forefront in the diesel game for many years and they know how to put together a decent petrol engine too.
I agree, the Renault diesels are good its that PSA 1.6 HDI that's the PIA
kurt535 said:
- have been surprised how many cars, inc merc, the french engines are showing up in. for the life of me i'd never buy any jap car carrying one. obviously its reducing costs etc, but every mechanic ive spoken to at franchised dealers reckon they are problematic , especially the electrics. will this trend of using such engines/electrics continued you think??
After Brexit who knows ,the main reason at the moment is so the cars have enough EU content to avoid import duties
maybe we will trade more with japan and Korea than europe soon so thats where the parts will come from for UK built cars .
jimjam92 said:
Personally don't see the issue. The VQ35DE that is found in 350Z's is also used by Renault and I believe based off a Renault engine (correct me if I'm wrong). Brilliant engine in that car and was basis for the development for the VR38DETT as used in current GTRS.
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