American cars in the UK - USAF bases?

American cars in the UK - USAF bases?

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C.A.R.

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3,967 posts

188 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Something I've always wondered but can't find the answer to; why is there an abundance of USDM cars near to USAF operating air bases?

Well, this is the only connection I can figure anyway? Particularly notice it in Norfolk around the various bases the USAF operate from.

Part of me thinks this must make financial sense for the officers using them, because most of them had been fairly desirable cars or pick-up trucks. However, you also see really bland stuff like Camrys and big Hondas that we don't get in the UK market. Where's the sense in bringing something like that over?

Just a boring Sunday evening observation and a curiosity really. Surely it would be easier to buy a RHD car better suited to UK roads?! Seems mad.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,240 posts

235 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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I guess they get shipped for free. Also easy to spot as the number plates are always just slightly different font. I always wonder how they pass the MOT.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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See a fair few in Yorkshire, it's weird seeing the reg plates! Recently seen in ilkley, Harrogate and a Christmas loads in grassington. A tiny dales village. It was hilarious watching them trying to park stonking great suvs in a tiny place with cobbled roads.

Bet our fuel costs are a shock to them !

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Since the early Cold War that's exactly why there have been a lot of American cars near US military sites

Taita

7,602 posts

203 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
I guess they get shipped for free. Also easy to spot as the number plates are always just slightly different font. I always wonder how they pass the MOT.
Yup - part of the 'overseas posting' deal.

texaxile

3,289 posts

150 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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I used to deliver them back in the 90's , they would arrive at Felixstowe in 20 or 40 foot containers, be transported to a depot in Ipswich and off loaded there where they would be fuelled up, paperwork done and released to the owners. Sending them out was a reversal, basically they were chocked into the floor of the box, tied down on the lashing points and de fuelled. We had a very nice little number going with the excess fuel, as the vehicles had to be emptied for shipping.

There used to be a thriving secondhand car market near the bases in Suffolk with returning servicemen off loading their second cars very cheap at the last minute.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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austinsmirk said:
See a fair few in Yorkshire, it's weird seeing the reg plates! Recently seen in ilkley, Harrogate and a Christmas loads in grassington. A tiny dales village. It was hilarious watching them trying to park stonking great suvs in a tiny place with cobbled roads.

Bet our fuel costs are a shock to them !
Menwith Hill, near Harrogate.

MJ85

1,849 posts

174 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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See it a lot on the A1. A lot of the cars are very, very average, but brought over, as mentioned, because it is free!

eltax91

9,865 posts

206 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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austinsmirk said:
See a fair few in Yorkshire, it's weird seeing the reg plates! Recently seen in ilkley, Harrogate and a Christmas loads in grassington. A tiny dales village. It was hilarious watching them trying to park stonking great suvs in a tiny place with cobbled roads.

Bet our fuel costs are a shock to them !
A while back now, but I was at a mates party and there was USAF bloke there. I seem to remember something about fuel being sold on base (US sovereign territory) at US prices?

trev540

252 posts

209 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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i thought it was that there bases had to reflect life in America and shops on base had to be priced as US prices.

Viperzs

966 posts

167 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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When an empty cargo plane flies from the US it would be rude not to fill it with American cars! Have a drive around Mildenhall/Lakenheath and you may as well be in America

ecsrobin

17,078 posts

165 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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There was a member on here recently who is in the USAF and posted to Norfolk soon. He was asking what would be the best car to bring over so he can make a profit at the end of his tour.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,234 posts

180 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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eltax91 said:
A while back now, but I was at a mates party and there was USAF bloke there. I seem to remember something about fuel being sold on base (US sovereign territory) at US prices?
This is true. Well, the US prices bit, not the sovereign territory bit.

UK service personnel get a similar-(ish) deal, rather less generous in fairness, when they serve in tax-free SOFA locations.

dvs_dave

8,598 posts

225 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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They get to bring them over as part of their posting to the UK. There's no actual reasonable argument to make them have to buy a local market vehicle. They also have access to buy US spec cars at preferential and tax free rates. Fuel can be purchased on base tax free, although it's likely UK tax free prices (as it will be from a U.K. refinery), which equates to similar to average US domestic fuel prices. As the cars are not UK registered they are not subject to MOT requirements. However they will be subject to their own equivalent inspections that the military require.

It's virtually an identical setup to what the UK forces have in Germany for example. Plenty of RHD UK market cars over there associated with the British Forces. Vauxhall for example.

Although in Germany they can buy petrol at tax free prices at the big petrol station chains anywhere with pre-purchased petrol coupons.

MuscleSaloon

1,548 posts

175 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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dvs_dave said:
Fuel can be purchased on base tax free, although it's likely UK tax free prices (as it will be from a U.K. refinery), which equates to similar to average US domestic fuel prices. As the cars are not UK registered they are not subject to MOT requirements.
Visiting forces have to MOT and register their vehicles once in the UK.

Gas is cheap on base. Quite a lot of people put gas in jerrycans for their lawnmowers thumbup

Opel-GT

584 posts

178 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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dvs_dave said:
They get to bring them over as part of their posting to the UK. There's no actual reasonable argument to make them have to buy a local market vehicle. They also have access to buy US spec cars at preferential and tax free rates. Fuel can be purchased on base tax free, although it's likely UK tax free prices (as it will be from a U.K. refinery), which equates to similar to average US domestic fuel prices. As the cars are not UK registered they are not subject to MOT requirements. However they will be subject to their own equivalent inspections that the military require.

It's virtually an identical setup to what the UK forces have in Germany for example. Plenty of RHD UK market cars over there associated with the British Forces. Vauxhall for example.

Although in Germany they can buy petrol at tax free prices at the big petrol station chains anywhere with pre-purchased petrol coupons.
Petrol coupons in Germany for U.K. Forces stopped about 2 years ago. Tax is taken off at the pumps using a card in Aral stations.

https://bfgnet.de/fuelcard/aral-fuel-card-bfg.html

Edited by Opel-GT on Sunday 12th March 21:21

Vaud

50,386 posts

155 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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austinsmirk said:
See a fair few in Yorkshire, it's weird seeing the reg plates! Recently seen in ilkley, Harrogate and a Christmas loads in grassington. A tiny dales village. It was hilarious watching them trying to park stonking great suvs in a tiny place with cobbled roads.

Bet our fuel costs are a shock to them !
Cough, Menwith Hill, cough.

I think they get fuel on base as well, IIRC.

dvs_dave

8,598 posts

225 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Now only Aral, and no coupons, interesting. I suppose there's hardly any U.K. Forces over there compared to before so they've scaled things back to suit. I grew up in that setup in the 80's-00's. In my day it was Shell, BP, Esso, Aral, and Fanal stations you could use them.

Always remembered going to the US bases for the PX's and buying loads of cheap stuff. They were always so much better than the Naafi. Natex in Geikenkirchen was good too!

Good times, but a lifetime ago now and it's weird to think that the places and communities I grew up in no longer exist. (JHQ etc.)

RizzoTheRat

25,119 posts

192 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Not sure if it's the same at US bases in the UK, but the big ones on the continent have car dealerships on them.

S0 What

3,358 posts

172 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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I used to go to military surplus auctions on us air bases bases back in the 90's, appart from the usuall military vehicals and equipment there was allways a few personnel vehicals in the catalogue.