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rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Anyone out there know if the new registration plate ledislation laws bought out in March is liable for points on your licence,

Looked through information on it but all it seems to say is fines up to a £1000 can be given ,another says a on the spot penalty of a £100

will be given,Can't seem to find anything about points although one bit of information from one of the papers did mention the possibility of them

but that was before it was introduced, Like a lot of us i have been running on States Plates for years knowingly they are illegal

but although stopped by the police for other reasons they have gone unnoticed by them , Just being cautious in my old age and don't need

anymore points added to my licence ,







Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 29th March 11:23

aeropilot

34,577 posts

227 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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rat rod said:
Anyone out there know if the new registration plate ledislation laws bought out in March is liable for points on your licence,

Looked through information on it but all it seems to say is fines up to a £1000 can be given ,another says a on the spot penalty of a £100

will be given,Can't seem to find anything about points although one bit of information from one of the papers did mention the possibility of them

but that was before it was introduced, Like a lot of us i have been running on States Plates for years knowingly they are illegal

but although stopped by the police for other reasons they have gone unnoticed by them , Just being cautious in my old age and don't need

anymore points added to my licence ,
I don't think it's relevant to pre-73 vehicles.

From what I understand, its gone back to non-reflective black/white plates only pre-73 vehicles as it had been before, not historic VED, as it had been allowed until the recent change.

And the font and other stuff relating to displaying BS and makers etc., is only for cars registered after 2001 from what I understand.



newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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[quote=urquattroGus]

If I liked it and it checked out I would pay £15K perhaps.

That would be reckless though, imagine trying to re-sell later on, and like you say get parts!

This 300K has also piqued my interest, it looks similar to an earlier one I shared but in much better nick!

It sold for £13k or so late last year.

Amazing how may of these cars just get rotated around various auctions.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic-auctions/2...

In the brief driving video the suspension looks even softer than the Plymouth Belvedere I had! Roly polly stuff, probable with shot shocks too.


Generally these are moved on quickly because
Someone always thinks they can make a bob or two,
Or utter disappointment by the new owner realising after 10 minutes behind the wheel how dreadful the majority of old yanks drive !

Or maybe they’re kept for 6 months before the owners start to dread actually using them cos every time you do it cost you 50quid,

True enthusiasts or flamboyant owners love the oddball cars even with umpteen faults these are the true petrol heads!
Not a fashion accessory


P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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newsatten said:
SRT Hellcat said:
urquattroGus said:
That does like a good bit of kit. Sits very nicely
Barges like these have almost zero desirability
amongst the main stream possible yank buyers
It’s the sort of motor that would have been chopped up for parts a few years back,
A 68 Hipo 440 has value blah blah
But apart from mechanical components these are a nightmare to keep nice, virtually no body or trim stuff
Anywhere, and what’s available will be fortunes!

But I suppose it only takes one person to take a fancy to it!
But in reality it’s a 10k tops car.
I get that, but I'd still walk past a row of modern red Ferraris to look at it at a car show, and take some interest in it. Whatever condition it's actually in, it had bags of charachter.

Whilst out doing some errands this morning we stopped off to have a quick shuftie at a really nice house for sale nearby, it was perfect, exactly what we both wanted until I realised the integral double garage still isn't big enough for something like that Chrysler. Oh well, onwards!

Gordon Bruce's book 'The First Three Shelby Cobras' has just arrived in the post, I may be gone for some time... whistle

ETA : the same seller with the Chrysler 300 still has the '67 Eldorado for sale...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334675418582?hash=item4...tongue outekAAOSw4C9jpNEz






Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 29th March 13:23

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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newsatten]rquattroGus said:
If I liked it and it checked out I would pay £15K perhaps.

That would be reckless though, imagine trying to re-sell later on, and like you say get parts!

This 300K has also piqued my interest, it looks similar to an earlier one I shared but in much better nick!

It sold for £13k or so late last year.

Amazing how may of these cars just get rotated around various auctions.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic-auctions/2...

In the brief driving video the suspension looks even softer than the Plymouth Belvedere I had! Roly polly stuff, probable with shot shocks too.

quote newsatten


Generally these are moved on quickly because
Someone always thinks they can make a bob or two,
Or utter disappointment by the new owner realising after 10 minutes behind the wheel how dreadful the majority of old yanks drive !

Or maybe they’re kept for 6 months before the owners start to dread actually using them cos every time you do it cost you 50quid,

True enthusiasts or flamboyant owners love the oddball cars even with umpteen faults these are the true petrol heads!
Not a fashion accessory
You must have read my brain, every time i sell one of my cars and have the money to fill the now empty garage i'm

always torn what to get next, do i spend the money on a yank that i unless seriously modified will rattle it's way down the road,

won't stop, go round corners and is impractical just pop into Brighten or London unless there's a show on as just looking at one seems to cost

£100 in petrol before i go anywhere, When i used to pull up at the lights in the Kings Road in my £6K Buick Invictor and new £80K Porsche driver

would pull up along side me and say ,that's nice mate with all the attention focused on the Buick not the seven other Porsches in the queue

but now with the prices at £40K/£60K for a iconic yank i know it will still drive like they did when they cost only £6K/£10K ,

For that money i can have a top European /British sports /coupe car that i can dash up to Brighten ,take it on holiday or weekends away

knowing it will get there and back ,cost quarter the price on fuel ,having modern security it will probably still be
outside the Hotel in the morning

and i won't feel knacked after driving all the way home , £40/£60K will buy you a decent wide bodied latish 911,V8 F Type or V8 AMG Merc that

will only do slightly better than what my £1K Lexus does. That's probably why i will end up buying yet another old rattly yank and totally

ignore what i should be buying, I'm just a sucker for them rolleyes

.

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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[quote= rat rod]

You must have read my brain, every time i sell one of my cars and have the money to fill the now empty garage i'm

always torn what to get next, do i spend the money on a yank that i unless seriously modified will rattle it's way down the road,

won't stop, go round corners and is impractical just pop into Brighten or London unless there's a show on as just looking at one seems to cost

£100 in petrol before i go anywhere, When i used to pull up at the lights in the Kings Road in my £6K Buick Invictor and new £80K Porsche driver

would pull up along side me and say ,that's nice mate with all the attention focused on the Buick not the seven other Porsches in the queue

but now with the prices at £40K/£60K for a iconic yank i know it will still drive like they did when they cost only £6K/£10K ,

For that money i can have a top European /British sports /coupe car that i can dash up to Brighten ,take it on holiday or weekends away

knowing it will get there and back ,cost quarter the price on fuel ,having modern security it will probably still be
outside the Hotel in the morning

and i won't feel knacked after driving all the way home , £40/£60K will buy you a decent wide bodied latish 911,V8 F Type or V8 AMG Merc that

will only do slightly better than what my £1K Lexus does. That's probably why i will end up buying yet another old rattly yank and totally

ignore what i should be buying, I'm just a sucker for them rolleyes

.

Yep we all are , but we’ve serval 100years experience between us all,
Yes I’d buy another in a heartbeat kid I could afford to
But would I ???
At 15-20K for a nice’ish Mach1, maybe another Challenger?
May 30 at a push for my bucket list car?
Then spend 3 years making it look less like a 50 year old turd, so then would owe me 35k ish.

But 60 grand plus for anything, I’d have to be absolutely minted to consider it!
So in fact no I wouldn’t now because I’ll never be minted so I’ll never have the dosh!

60grand for something that drives like a ruptured duck
That will struggle to keep up with a transit on B roads,
And would be left for dead on most A roads
Nah,
They just ain’t worth that sort of money to me
Never have never will,

But no doubt someone else will consider 60k
to be a bargain, takes all sorts.

roscobbc

3,355 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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newsatten]rat rod said:
You must have read my brain, every time i sell one of my cars and have the money to fill the now empty garage i'm

always torn what to get next, do i spend the money on a yank that i unless seriously modified will rattle it's way down the road,

won't stop, go round corners and is impractical just pop into Brighten or London unless there's a show on as just looking at one seems to cost

£100 in petrol before i go anywhere, When i used to pull up at the lights in the Kings Road in my £6K Buick Invictor and new £80K Porsche driver

would pull up along side me and say ,that's nice mate with all the attention focused on the Buick not the seven other Porsches in the queue

but now with the prices at £40K/£60K for a iconic yank i know it will still drive like they did when they cost only £6K/£10K ,

For that money i can have a top European /British sports /coupe car that i can dash up to Brighten ,take it on holiday or weekends away

knowing it will get there and back ,cost quarter the price on fuel ,having modern security it will probably still be
outside the Hotel in the morning

and i won't feel knacked after driving all the way home , £40/£60K will buy you a decent wide bodied latish 911,V8 F Type or V8 AMG Merc that

will only do slightly better than what my £1K Lexus does. That's probably why i will end up buying yet another old rattly yank and totally

ignore what i should be buying, I'm just a sucker for them rolleyes

.

Yep we all are , but we’ve serval 100years experience between us all,
Yes I’d buy another in a heartbeat kid I could afford to
But would I ???
At 15-20K for a nice’ish Mach1, maybe another Challenger?
May 30 at a push for my bucket list car?
Then spend 3 years making it look less like a 50 year old turd, so then would owe me 35k ish.

But 60 grand plus for anything, I’d have to be absolutely minted to consider it!
So in fact no I wouldn’t now because I’ll never be minted so I’ll never have the dosh!

60grand for something that drives like a ruptured duck
That will struggle to keep up with a transit on B roads,
And would be left for dead on most A roads
Nah,
They just ain’t worth that sort of money to me
Never have never will,

But no doubt someone else will consider 60k
to be a bargain, takes all sorts.
Didn't mention it before but we had been looking for a cheap ULEZ compliant 'banger' to replace our super economical diesel KA which would fall foul of dictator Khan in August. Really struggling to find something that A. wasn't showing mileage equivalent of going to the moon and back - B. didn't have dents, scrapes and five different shades of the same colour all over it - C. was being sold by someone speaking without a foreign accent - D. grossly overpriced - E. a scam 'sale'.
'Er indoors suggested looking at a long established local dealer known for low mileage cars. Sceptically I agreed and blowing our budget somewhat test decided to buy a 16 plate VW Up! city car........with, wait for it ......just under 1500 miles from new. Thing is.....and what surprised me the most was
despite only having a 60hp 3 banger 1000cc engine how well it is able to keep-up with traffic and with a ride comfort and silence of a much larger car. Despite having the 'luxury' of running company cars for many years (until a couple of years ago) it has made me realise how far the dynamics of everyday cars have improved over the years.

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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At the other end of the scale from the nippy little 'Up' is this '70 Ford 302 powered Mangusta which has just come on...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1338161


roscobbc

3,355 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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A question for Aeropilot?........looking at another thread on Pistonheads relating to Cobra's I notice significant technical comment from yourself relating to Cobra's and FE powerplants - been interesting to know more about that?
Not sure whether I have mentioned my laddo's '62 T'Bird with its modified 390 lump. Currently off the road for core plug replacement, a 'refresh' and overhaul of its C6 transmission (and ideally a more 'slippery' torque converter). Some years back installed Edelbrock heads, a mild cam, headers and perhaps unusually a 'period' FoMoCo dual plane, dual quad inlet manifold with twin Holley 390 cfm carbs.

LeighW

4,398 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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rat rod said:
Anyone out there know if the new registration plate ledislation laws bought out in March is liable for points on your licence,

Looked through information on it but all it seems to say is fines up to a £1000 can be given ,another says a on the spot penalty of a £100
I've not seen anything that mentions points, just fines between an on the spot £100, and 'up to' £1000. No mention even on the Gov UK website (below) of points, so I wouldn't worry.

https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/rules-...

Black and silver plates are allowed only for vehicles older than 1st January 1973 (not the rolling 40 years old as it used to be).

My Firebird has black & silver UK plates and I was tempted to get some US style ones, but I won't bother now - I don't want to get plod following me in case they notice my red rear indicators. biggrin

Edited by LeighW on Wednesday 29th March 15:52

LeighW

4,398 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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'74 TA coming up at Anglia Car Auctions this weekend. Estimate £17 - £20k.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic-auctions/2...



newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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LeighW said:
'74 TA coming up at Anglia Car Auctions this weekend. Estimate £17 - £20k.

https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic-auctions/2...


This old thing has been for sale at around 25k for the last two years,
That particular auction house aero have lots of dodgy stuff,
According to the jungle drums??
But dodgy and old cars , sort of go together really!
Lol

LeighW

4,398 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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newsatten said:
This old thing has been for sale at around 25k for the last two years,
That particular auction house aero have lots of dodgy stuff,
According to the jungle drums??
But dodgy and old cars , sort of go together really!
Lol
Yep. MOT history is clean though, no advisories or rot noted.

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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LeighW said:
newsatten said:
This old thing has been for sale at around 25k for the last two years,
That particular auction house aero have lots of dodgy stuff,
According to the jungle drums??
But dodgy and old cars , sort of go together really!
Lol
Yep. MOT history is clean though, no advisories or rot noted.
Yeah cool, 74’ small rear glass, 455, hard top
Probably the true last almost a muscle car,
HP around 250 but still got loads of torque
And they drive well if tight,





newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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And if careful one may get 12-14 mpg byebye

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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LeighW said:
rat rod said:
Anyone out there know if the new registration plate ledislation laws bought out in March is liable for points on your licence,

Looked through information on it but all it seems to say is fines up to a £1000 can be given ,another says a on the spot penalty of a £100
I've not seen anything that mentions points, just fines between an on the spot £100, and 'up to' £1000. No mention even on the Gov UK website (below) of points, so I wouldn't worry.

https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/rules-...

Black and silver plates are allowed only for vehicles older than 1st January 1973 (not the rolling 40 years old as it used to be).

My Firebird has black & silver UK plates and I was tempted to get some US style ones, but I won't bother now - I don't want to get plod following me in case they notice my red rear indicators. biggrin

Edited by LeighW on Wednesday 29th March 15:52
Thanks Leigh , Wise move on not buying States Plates especially with the new regs,not that it applies to the older cars it's just the police will

be more vigilant with these new laws, got pulled for my insurance not showing up on MID and the younger of the two cops asked me why are

my number plates black not yellow so i had to explain to him that pre 1973 can wear black ones ,the fact i had California Dreamin and Le Camino

on them didn't seem to bother him. confused

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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aeropilot said:
I don't think it's relevant to pre-73 vehicles.

From what I understand, its gone back to non-reflective black/white plates only pre-73 vehicles as it had been before, not historic VED, as it had been allowed until the recent change.

And the font and other stuff relating to displaying BS and makers etc., is only for cars registered after 2001 from what I understand.
Thanks aero, I'm probably being a big girl about it but having 3 points already it doesn't take long to accumulate more and being the age i am

every time i renew my insurance it is a nerve racking experience ,seems like i am the same risk to them as a 19 year old. nerd

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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We’ll my bus pass turned up today
So F—k it I don’t need a car full stop!!
hehe

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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roscobbc said:
Didn't mention it before but we had been looking for a cheap ULEZ compliant 'banger' to replace our super economical diesel KA which would fall foul of dictator Khan in August. Really struggling to find something that A. wasn't showing mileage equivalent of going to the moon and back - B. didn't have dents, scrapes and five different shades of the same colour all over it - C. was being sold by someone speaking without a foreign accent - D. grossly overpriced - E. a scam 'sale'.
'Er indoors suggested looking at a long established local dealer known for low mileage cars. Sceptically I agreed and blowing our budget somewhat test decided to buy a 16 plate VW Up! city car........with, wait for it ......just under 1500 miles from new. Thing is.....and what surprised me the most was
despite only having a 60hp 3 banger 1000cc engine how well it is able to keep-up with traffic and with a ride comfort and silence of a much larger car. Despite having the 'luxury' of running company cars for many years (until a couple of years ago) it has made me realise how far the dynamics of everyday cars have improved over the years.
Many of these little £30 a year road tax shopping trolleys go past me on the motorway and it's not that my driving is slow,

they seem very capable from the outside ,not sure what they are like actually being in them.

My ex went into a Ford main dealer,this was a few years ago now to buy the older shape KA,

Not having any to offer her she walked out of there having ordered a revised shape new one ,

Basic car arriving for the new March registration but a week later she got a call saying if she was willing to

have a car now they could sell her a fully specced one,metallic pearl white paint, electric windows, central

locking and air conditioning and i think it had power steering all for the same price as the basic car ,they needed to get to their target for the mouth

to get to the factory bonas apparently, What a great little car unlike what we had to drive years ago.




rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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newsatten]rat rod said:
You must have read my brain, every time i sell one of my cars and have the money to fill the now empty garage i'm

always torn what to get next, do i spend the money on a yank that i unless seriously modified will rattle it's way down the road,

won't stop, go round corners and is impractical just pop into Brighten or London unless there's a show on as just looking at one seems to cost

£100 in petrol before i go anywhere, When i used to pull up at the lights in the Kings Road in my £6K Buick Invictor and new £80K Porsche driver

would pull up along side me and say ,that's nice mate with all the attention focused on the Buick not the seven other Porsches in the queue

but now with the prices at £40K/£60K for a iconic yank i know it will still drive like they did when they cost only £6K/£10K ,

For that money i can have a top European /British sports /coupe car that i can dash up to Brighten ,take it on holiday or weekends away

knowing it will get there and back ,cost quarter the price on fuel ,having modern security it will probably still be
outside the Hotel in the morning

and i won't feel knacked after driving all the way home , £40/£60K will buy you a decent wide bodied latish 911,V8 F Type or V8 AMG Merc that

will only do slightly better than what my £1K Lexus does. That's probably why i will end up buying yet another old rattly yank and totally

ignore what i should be buying, I'm just a sucker for them rolleyes

.

Yep we all are , but we’ve serval 100years experience between us all,
Yes I’d buy another in a heartbeat kid I could afford to
But would I ???
At 15-20K for a nice’ish Mach1, maybe another Challenger?
May 30 at a push for my bucket list car?
Then spend 3 years making it look less like a 50 year old turd, so then would owe me 35k ish.

But 60 grand plus for anything, I’d have to be absolutely minted to consider it!
So in fact no I wouldn’t now because I’ll never be minted so I’ll never have the dosh!

60grand for something that drives like a ruptured duck
That will struggle to keep up with a transit on B roads,
And would be left for dead on most A roads
Nah,
They just ain’t worth that sort of money to me
Never have never will,

But no doubt someone else will consider 60k
to be a bargain, takes all sorts.
It's called passion that drives us to buy these old clunkers or maybe just stupidity ,

I can think of more reasons why i shouldn't buy a classic to a late model sports or prestige car ,

Just makes no sense at all really,

A few years back i was selling my series one 4.2 E Type fhc ,bought it from the son of the original owner

Nice unmessed with car with a few marks here and there on the bright red paintwork,interior was original

with patina as they call it now, asking £12,750 ,a guy came with his reluctent wife who couldn't understand why

i wanted £8,750 and his immaculate V12 XJS HE for my E Type,Looking at her point of view the S was the better car

body and interior wise and drove super smooth like a good one does unlike the clonky E Type,

As much as the guy wanted to do the deal he didn't stand a chance if he didn't want his ears bent all the way home,

probably a good example of what we are talking about only the E TYpe is now worth £65K to £75K even in it's existing

condition and the XJS is worth about the same assuming it's still on the road.