Why so high?

Why so high?

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LeighW

2,708 posts

153 months

Monday 12th April
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rat rod said:
aeropilot said:
LeighW said:
Don't get me wrong, this is a lot of money to me and has used some savings that I really should have put in my pension, but you can't drive a pension. I used man maths that said it shouldn't depreciate as long as I take care of it, plus zero road tax is a bonus. I figured if I don't do it now, they'll just be out of my reach. I can remember looking at a 68 Charger at the Mopar Nats at Santa Pod maybe nine or ten years or so ago that was for sale for £17k, and thinking 'that's expensive'. Yeah...
laugh

I know what you mean.......next month will be 30 years since I was seriously considered buying this '68 Shelby GT500KR.......





And, yes that is $23.5k (owner would have taken $22k when I talked to him on the day) which was £13k at the £-$ exhange rate back in summer of '91. And it had a proper 427 in it not a 428.
I've since found out a few years ago, this was the only special order orange with parchment interior GT500KR ever built and is now worth about $250k since it restoration.

Hey ho......
OUCH !! ,Know it doesn't help but we've all done ,
Oof. Hindsight and all that.

LeighW

2,708 posts

153 months

Monday 12th April
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roscobbc said:
Always like the 'early' Pontiac Firebird as an alternative to the Camaro. I know you've paid a deposit on the car - has it been sold to you as a Pontiac engined car? - nothing wrong with the Chevy small block but price paid should reflect that A. it isn't matching numbers or B. Chevy engine. Having said all that if it is a Chevy engine I'd be kinda inclined to source a period Poncho 400 engine for it - the're as great torquey engine and work really well in a lightweight body of the Firebird.
BTW Leigh
You 'can' drive your pension around. That is exactly what I did at 50 - had a small pension that I cashed-in and put towards the Vette. Five years later and the original pension had reduced significantly in value - whereas the Vette had increased by a similar amount to what the pension would have......then I went and 'spoilt' it all by spending loads on money on new engine, billet wheels etc, etc..........


Edited by roscobbc on Monday 12th April 17:58
I knew it wasn't numbers matching, and assumed, correctly as it turns out, that it was chevy small block. Seller is a really nice chap and has been 100% honest from the start. There's another 68 Firebird on ebay in yellow (which is the original colour that mine was funnily enough), same price but with an LS motor. It's not a patch on the one I've hought, in my view anyway, so I'm more than happy at the moment. I don't want a 100% original car that I'm afraid to touch, not that it would be in my price range anyway. smile

rat rod

1,870 posts

30 months

Monday 12th April
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roscobbc said:
rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
rat rod said:
My dad had a manual gunmetal grey with red interior 3.8 MK10 and we were coming back from London

on the old A 33 road near Winchester about one in the morning doing around 120 and he forgot that there was a narrow hump back bridge

coming up, went over the bridge without touching the brake pedal and literally took off all four wheels leaving the ground, it landed

with a bit of a bang and weaved around a little but stayed straight , if we had been in a MK 2 i think we would have ended up like

Mike Hawthorn. Just remember all of us leaving our seats and banging our heads on the roof.
One of the Chelmsford rodders, Keith Smith had (probably still has) that green 500 cu in BB Chevy powered 'pro street' mark 10 Jag. That has gone through various guises, including single anmd twin Prochargers. Last time I spoke with him pre-Covid I think he was building-up a LS3 engine for it. Amazing vehicle really. With its tube chassis is acrually weighs-up several hundred pounds lighter than a stock Mark10. He used to go to all the major rod and drag meetings in Europe AND towing a caravan too........


Don't you sleep rosco, Have seen that MK 10 somewhere ,can't remember where, Wheels Day maybe,

Looks as good if not better in the flesh, Like the way he's kept the interior almost in tact and kept it Jaguar like.

Some clever people in this hobby of ours, firstly to have the vision in the first place then to put it in place.

Bloody marvellous clap
Spoke with Keith this afternoon - L3 powere didn't happen - still running twin huffed 496 BBC - was doing 5000 mile a year before lock-down.....
Good man ! Puts me to shame, must try harder. yes

P5BNij

8,655 posts

71 months

Monday 12th April
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Musing about prices and values on the way home from work just now it occurred to me that if I'd kept my '65 Mk1 Cooper S and sold it this week I could have bought that gorgeous £35k black '68 Camaro we've all been drooling over and still had a fair chunk of change left. Oh well! It's also a bit of a bummer that the yellow Mercury Marauder that rosco posted the link to is just too big for my garage, I've been thinking about it all day, if it were mine I don't think I'd have changed much on it at all, except possibly try a different set of wheels and tyres on it to match the vinyl roof and interior for even more visual impact..... Magnum 500s with white pinstripe tyres or perhaps some grey spoked torque thrusts.

Onwards we go.... wink

Love the Mercury's interior....



Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 19:49


Here's a similar one, what a lovely looking thing it is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il62Z8FMzJY

Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 20:03

rat rod

1,870 posts

30 months

Monday 12th April
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P5BNij said:
Musing about prices and values on the way home from work just now it occurred to me that if I'd kept my '65 Mk1 Cooper S and sold it this week I could have bought that gorgeous £35k black '68 Camaro we've all been drooling over and still had a fair chunk of change left. Oh well! It's also a bit of a bummer that the yellow Mercury Marauder that rosco posted the link to is just too big for my garage, I've been thinking about it all day, if it were mine I don't think I'd have changed much on it at all, except possibly try a different set of wheels and tyres on it to match the vinyl roof and interior for even more visual impact..... Magnum 500s with white pinstripe tyres or perhaps some grey spoked torque thrusts.

Onwards we go.... wink

Love the Mercury's interior....



Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 19:49


Here's a similar one, what a lovely looking thing it is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il62Z8FMzJY

Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 20:03
With the silly money now being asked for some very average over rated cars this is the type of cars that go under the radar

because of this you can take full advantage of other peoples ignorance and bag a bargain.

Most first time buyers will go for the safe route partly because they never thought about going off piste

and stick to the regular popular models which are often over priced and in poor condition under their fresh coat of paint.

Go to a American show in something like this and it will be almost certain it will be the only one there where as yanks such as Mustangs

are like bus's ,there will be another alone in a minute, All depends if you want to follow the herd , it's good to be different,

Only problem is nobody gets up in the morning and say lets go and buy a Mercury S 55 Super Marauder 428 because they

probably never herd of it and they won't be able to find one, not here anyway, it will be a chance buy and the same when coming to selling.

Being fully loaded these must have had a expensive price tag when new probably costing double what a basic muscle car would .

Sort of a up market Galaxie.








roscobbc

1,436 posts

207 months

Monday 12th April
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rat rod said:
P5BNij said:
Musing about prices and values on the way home from work just now it occurred to me that if I'd kept my '65 Mk1 Cooper S and sold it this week I could have bought that gorgeous £35k black '68 Camaro we've all been drooling over and still had a fair chunk of change left. Oh well! It's also a bit of a bummer that the yellow Mercury Marauder that rosco posted the link to is just too big for my garage, I've been thinking about it all day, if it were mine I don't think I'd have changed much on it at all, except possibly try a different set of wheels and tyres on it to match the vinyl roof and interior for even more visual impact..... Magnum 500s with white pinstripe tyres or perhaps some grey spoked torque thrusts.

Onwards we go.... wink

Love the Mercury's interior....



Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 19:49


Here's a similar one, what a lovely looking thing it is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il62Z8FMzJY

Edited by P5BNij on Monday 12th April 20:03
With the silly money now being asked for some very average over rated cars this is the type of cars that go under the radar

because of this you can take full advantage of other peoples ignorance and bag a bargain.

Most first time buyers will go for the safe route partly because they never thought about going off piste

and stick to the regular popular models which are often over priced and in poor condition under their fresh coat of paint.

Go to a American show in something like this and it will be almost certain it will be the only one there where as yanks such as Mustangs

are like bus's ,there will be another alone in a minute, All depends if you want to follow the herd , it's good to be different,

Only problem is nobody gets up in the morning and say lets go and buy a Mercury S 55 Super Marauder 428 because they

probably never herd of it and they won't be able to find one, not here anyway, it will be a chance buy and the same when coming to selling.

Being fully loaded these must have had a expensive price tag when new probably costing double what a basic muscle car would .

Sort of a up market Galaxie.
Very much an 'upmarket' Galaxie - a 'sister' car to the '66 428 powered Galaxie 7 Litre I owned all those years ago. As nice as the Mercury interior my 7 Litre had an Emberglow interior (burnt metallic orange/red colour) - unbelieveable appearance..........


White interior - but with desirable 4 speed

roscobbc

1,436 posts

207 months

Monday 12th April
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aeropilot said:
LeighW said:
Don't get me wrong, this is a lot of money to me and has used some savings that I really should have put in my pension, but you can't drive a pension. I used man maths that said it shouldn't depreciate as long as I take care of it, plus zero road tax is a bonus. I figured if I don't do it now, they'll just be out of my reach. I can remember looking at a 68 Charger at the Mopar Nats at Santa Pod maybe nine or ten years or so ago that was for sale for £17k, and thinking 'that's expensive'. Yeah...
laugh

I know what you mean.......next month will be 30 years since I was seriously considered buying this '68 Shelby GT500KR.......





And, yes that is $23.5k (owner would have taken $22k when I talked to him on the day) which was £13k at the £-$ exhange rate back in summer of '91. And it had a proper 427 in it not a 428.
I've since found out a few years ago, this was the only special order orange with parchment interior GT500KR ever built and is now worth about $250k since it restoration.

Hey ho......
When I bought my '72 429 SCJ Mustang (and with my wifes full backing and help) I borrowed from every source, maxed all credit cards and just went for it despite having a fresh mortage, two young children under 3 years old. No where near the desirability of any Ford with a 425 hp 427. This was about the time of the depression in the early 90's and I was forced to sell the Mustang to keep afloat following yet another house move and a redundancy.....£13K was a fair price back then for someone 'in the know'........must be very frustrating?

rat rod

1,870 posts

30 months

Monday 12th April
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roscobbc said:
Very much an 'upmarket' Galaxie - a 'sister' car to the '66 428 powered Galaxie 7 Litre I owned all those years ago. As nice as the Mercury interior my 7 Litre had an Emberglow interior (burnt metallic orange/red colour) - unbelieveable appearance..........


White interior - but with desirable 4 speed
love the interior especially the leather bucket seats, i had a couple stacked headilght Galaxie's

can't remember if 65 or 66 , one convertible and one 4 dr pillarless but not like yours having the front bench seat

Is there any difference between 65 and 66 .

roscobbc

1,436 posts

207 months

Monday 12th April
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rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
Very much an 'upmarket' Galaxie - a 'sister' car to the '66 428 powered Galaxie 7 Litre I owned all those years ago. As nice as the Mercury interior my 7 Litre had an Emberglow interior (burnt metallic orange/red colour) - unbelieveable appearance..........


White interior - but with desirable 4 speed
love the interior especially the leather bucket seats, i had a couple stacked headilght Galaxie's

can't remember if 65 or 66 , one convertible and one 4 dr pillarless but not like yours having the front bench seat

Is there any difference between 65 and 66 .
Yes - I had both - '65 had a 'squarer' shape and 'square' rear lights - '66 had more rectangular shape rear lights and a 'coke' bottle kick to the rear end.
65

66



rat rod

1,870 posts

30 months

Tuesday 13th April
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roscobbc said:
rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
Very much an 'upmarket' Galaxie - a 'sister' car to the '66 428 powered Galaxie 7 Litre I owned all those years ago. As nice as the Mercury interior my 7 Litre had an Emberglow interior (burnt metallic orange/red colour) - unbelieveable appearance..........


White interior - but with desirable 4 speed
love the interior especially the leather bucket seats, i had a couple stacked headilght Galaxie's

can't remember if 65 or 66 , one convertible and one 4 dr pillarless but not like yours having the front bench seat

Is there any difference between 65 and 66 .
Yes - I had both - '65 had a 'squarer' shape and 'square' rear lights - '66 had more rectangular shape rear lights and a 'coke' bottle kick to the rear end.
65

66
After all these years messing about with these yanks i'm still learning things,

63 and 64's do it for me and the 65,66 cars are close behind but can't explain

why i loose interest after that. Quite like the size and the shape of the 64 Fairlane

but that's the only year i like, sort of in between a Galaxie and a Falcon .after saying that

nothing got the presents of the big Galaxie especially in race form.





Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 13th April 00:43

roscobbc

1,436 posts

207 months

Tuesday 13th April
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I'm kinda with you on the Galaxies - I think that perhaps the '63 is the nicest - they go all wrong '67 onwards - next size down '67 Fairlane is good - had a 390 GTA - kinda special car that one - well up to Chevelle standards!



rat rod

1,870 posts

30 months

Tuesday 13th April
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roscobbc said:
I'm kinda with you on the Galaxies - I think that perhaps the '63 is the nicest - they go all wrong '67 onwards - next size down '67 Fairlane is good - had a 390 GTA - kinda special car that one - well up to Chevelle standards!


Yep ! She will do, black with the red really suits it ,Lord March has bought his son a 64 in the same colours .

aeropilot

24,136 posts

192 months

Tuesday 13th April
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roscobbc said:
I'm kinda with you on the Galaxies - I think that perhaps the '63 is the nicest - they go all wrong '67 onwards
Yep, same here, a 63.5 or 64 fastback, R-Code - job done biggrin

And seeing as were in lottery winner territory, a big enough garage to add a '61 Impala 'bubbletop' 409 with a 4-speed, a '62 Pontiac Catalina SD421 and a '64 Plymouth Sport Fury with a 426 Super Stock Max Wedge with a 727.

As you can see I like the early stuff smile


some bloke

254 posts

32 months

Tuesday 13th April
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aeropilot said:
Yep, same here, a 63.5 or 64 fastback, R-Code - job done biggrin

And seeing as were in lottery winner territory, a big enough garage to add a '61 Impala 'bubbletop' 409 with a 4-speed, a '62 Pontiac Catalina SD421 and a '64 Plymouth Sport Fury with a 426 Super Stock Max Wedge with a 727.

As you can see I like the early stuff smile
63 Biscayne with a 409 (or 427 mystery motor, depending on how much I win) and a 68 Hemi Charger for me.

roscobbc

1,436 posts

207 months

Tuesday 13th April
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aeropilot said:
roscobbc said:
I'm kinda with you on the Galaxies - I think that perhaps the '63 is the nicest - they go all wrong '67 onwards
Yep, same here, a 63.5 or 64 fastback, R-Code - job done biggrin

And seeing as were in lottery winner territory, a big enough garage to add a '61 Impala 'bubbletop' 409 with a 4-speed, a '62 Pontiac Catalina SD421 and a '64 Plymouth Sport Fury with a 426 Super Stock Max Wedge with a 727.

As you can see I like the early stuff smile
The period of transition just after the change of style where vertical became horizontal fins (early 60's) is the most interesting - images from just one year (1961)





P5BNij

8,655 posts

71 months

Tuesday 13th April
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Every single one of those pics posted since last night floats my boat, the mid '60s period had some great looking cars across the board. I've been watching the 1967 series 'The Invaders' again and there are lots these kind of cars in it, the main character drives a series of Galaxie 500 pillarless two door hardtops and soft tops, as well as the odd big Mercury, watching them all on screen I'm drooling like an idiot.....










In one episode he tools about in a fairly plain looking '67 Mustang fastback....



There's not much I can do about it now but I'm really annoyed with myself for not making my garage big enough for the big wafty stuff.

Edited by P5BNij on Tuesday 13th April 11:36

P5BNij

8,655 posts

71 months

Tuesday 13th April
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rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
Very much an 'upmarket' Galaxie - a 'sister' car to the '66 428 powered Galaxie 7 Litre I owned all those years ago. As nice as the Mercury interior my 7 Litre had an Emberglow interior (burnt metallic orange/red colour) - unbelieveable appearance..........


White interior - but with desirable 4 speed
love the interior especially the leather bucket seats, i had a couple stacked headilght Galaxie's

can't remember if 65 or 66 , one convertible and one 4 dr pillarless but not like yours having the front bench seat

Is there any difference between 65 and 66 .
Yes - I had both - '65 had a 'squarer' shape and 'square' rear lights - '66 had more rectangular shape rear lights and a 'coke' bottle kick to the rear end.
65

66
After all these years messing about with these yanks i'm still learning things,

63 and 64's do it for me and the 65,66 cars are close behind but can't explain

why i loose interest after that. Quite like the size and the shape of the 64 Fairlane

but that's the only year i like, sort of in between a Galaxie and a Falcon .after saying that

nothing got the presents of the big Galaxie especially in race form.





Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 13th April 00:43
Maybe it's down to the age difference (not being mean when I say that!), with me I like the '65 onwards stuff more, the fastback / sports roof styling of '67-ish really hits the spot for me for some reason, right across the ranges from the different manufacturers.

aeropilot

24,136 posts

192 months

Tuesday 13th April
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P5BNij said:
Maybe it's down to the age difference (not being mean when I say that!), with me I like the '65 onwards stuff more, the fastback / sports roof styling of '67-ish really hits the spot for me for some reason, right across the ranges from the different manufacturers.
Not necessarily an age thing, as I'm only 1-2 years older than you, I just prefer the yank stuff from what is termed the 'Rock n Roll' era, or Jukebox era, which is generally considered to be anything pre-1964.

P5BNij

8,655 posts

71 months

Tuesday 13th April
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aeropilot said:
P5BNij said:
Maybe it's down to the age difference (not being mean when I say that!), with me I like the '65 onwards stuff more, the fastback / sports roof styling of '67-ish really hits the spot for me for some reason, right across the ranges from the different manufacturers.
Not necessarily an age thing, as I'm only 1-2 years older than you, I just prefer the yank stuff from what is termed the 'Rock n Roll' era, or Jukebox era, which is generally considered to be anything pre-1964.
I genuinely thought you were a bit older than that aero as so many of your posts display a vast depth of history and knowledge on these cars wink. Don't get me wrong, I do like the pre-64 stuff, I'm just trying to stay focused on the cars that are higher up my 'shopping list' as whatever I buy will be the last classic I buy for a long while..... it's not as easy as I thought it would be though! I can't decide if this thread helping, or making it worse..... whistle

Good news is that the Mini has now actually physically departed from my grasp (about ten minutes ago) and the money for it is safely resting in my account, I just need to keep topping it up so I can pounce on the right yank when it presents itself. Well, that, and to stop buying more car books.

newsatten

855 posts

79 months

Tuesday 13th April
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62' Savoy, 413 Max Wedge, 2x4 barrel Ramcharger, Stunning shaped car, these were rated at around 425 hp, probably on the low side, absolute hell raiser of a Automobile....................................................................................