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newsatten

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114 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Yes the first gen Fastback's are very nicely proportioned car, just the right size , i never had one myself, had a couple of 68's both dogs both drove rubbish, but to be fair they were worn out!
Never could see why the 68' cars are so sought after, Bullit yeah ok, but as a car there wobbly/ and back heavy when compared the earlier cars,

The R clone probably would cost more to put together today, so as a get in and go motor i suppose its about right! Hard to get ones head around, laugh

For me and for 60 odd K i'd be wanting a 70' Boss, with Shaker etc, ie a Genuine Ford Race/road machine, yeah a very good looking car,
Another motor i'l never be able to afford laugh but window shopping is free!

Ive put buying the Rims/tyres and the other stuff for the Challenger upgrades off for the time being, the cars all on the button and running great, so i thought id keep the funds back to put a few more grand into my quest for a second car, nothing about at the moment but half the funs is the hunt!


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Yes the first gen Fastback's are very nicely proportioned car, just the right size , i never had one myself, had a couple of 68's both dogs both drove rubbish, but to be fair they were worn out!
Never could see why the 68' cars are so sought after, Bullit yeah ok, but as a car there wobbly/ and back heavy when compared the earlier cars,

The R clone probably would cost more to put together today, so as a get in and go motor i suppose its about right! Hard to get ones head around, laugh

For me and for 60 odd K i'd be wanting a 70' Boss, with Shaker etc, ie a Genuine Ford Race/road machine, yeah a very good looking car,
Another motor i'l never be able to afford laugh but window shopping is free!

Ive put buying the Rims/tyres and the other stuff for the Challenger upgrades off for the time being, the cars all on the button and running great, so i thought id keep the funds back to put a few more grand into my quest for a second car, nothing about at the moment but half the funs is the hunt!

Although the Boss is a rare car in the UK there's been 4 of them advertised recently at what i thought was big money but after the Shelby clone and the Mach 1 at Historics they sound like a bargain.

A orange one and a blue one in Deven,private guy who collects Mustangs and a white one at DD Classics and a blue one at Scuderia at Camberley although i think the blue one could be the one from Deven .

Would seem a 428 Cobra Jet might be rarer. Good move not buying new wheels and what else you were getting for the Challenger
won't be cheap collectively and add to your budget with more scope for something better, quite like what's on there now ,

Are they 14" or 15" , If there's nothing about you can always treat yourself in the spring ready for the season.

Sorry ,going back to that Shelby clone on Collecting Cars ,no i'm not obsessed with it but had a better read of the upgrades and spec today
and beginning to see why it made so much,You would have to be very wealthy with a open cheque book to afford his the bill.

If you got 5 minutes worth a read ,must be the highest spec Shelby clone anywhere and should drive like no other Mustang , Nice thing is you can do to replica that you can't do to a original one.

Had a moment when i thought it was my old car,thought the reg no looked familiar and there was lots on the description that was similar , so went into You Tube while i was on the pc as my son's friend did a You Tube video on it, Turned out to be one digit out can you believe.

Just to make myself depressed i was looking through some old "American Class " mags and came across a article on a 71 T/A 455 that's been stroked by Robin Gray to 501 , think mine was 462 ,does that sound about wright. Manual as well in white/blue .

Going to reduce the Ruby as there are quite a few on the site around the mid sixes so may get the phone ringing.








Edited by rat rod on Sunday 11th October 21:06

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Was that you at the show today in the yellow Roadster and the 5 window? nice rodslaugh

yeah the Boss's look good value in comparison!

Maybe thats where your heart lies, lol, a trick 65/66 GT350 "R" and maybe more in keeping with the period vibe?
my wife likes the early cars coz they are smaller, and just neat.
I can see why they have a strong following, and the after market supply of parts and trick parts is marvelous, i fact its the complete opposite compared to Mopars.

Ive held back with my upgrades as i said just to give me a few more quid, i'l be interested to see how the 72 Z does, 409 and a M21 probably the very best alternative to a TA!
The base colour does the car no good at all, plus crap wheels and crappier tyres, but there minor points, and depending on price and general condition its a car id go for, and then maybe try and sell the RT.
A genuine Rat powered 4 speed, would be a great base for a quick good handling road car.

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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And yes 501 for a true stroker, yours may have been a 455 with a 30/40 overbore, just a guess really as ive hav'nt messed with the oily bits for years!laugh

A good 455 will run really well , my Red TA , kept up with a Honda 6 on the M2 many years ago, was slipstreaming the bike but could'nt get passed,

When was the last time we saw a Honda 6 yikes

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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Was that you at the show today in the yellow Roadster and the 5 window? nice rodslaugh

yeah the Boss's look good value in comparison!

Maybe thats where your heart lies, lol, a trick 65/66 GT350 "R" and maybe more in keeping with the period vibe?
my wife likes the early cars coz they are smaller, and just neat.
I can see why they have a strong following, and the after market supply of parts and trick parts is marvelous, i fact its the complete opposite compared to Mopars.

Ive held back with my upgrades as i said just to give me a few more quid, i'l be interested to see how the 72 Z does, 409 and a M21 probably the very best alternative to a TA!
The base colour does the car no good at all, plus crap wheels and crappier tyres, but there minor points, and depending on price and general condition its a car id go for, and then maybe try and sell the RT.
A genuine Rat powered 4 speed, would be a great base for a quick good handling road car.
Must admit i'm more into 50's for the Chrome and Fins cars including T/birds and C1 Vettes and 60's for full size yanks and muscle cars

eg gen 1 Camaro's and Mustangs although love the 70's if Mopar,gen 2 Camaro's, prefer 60's GTO's to 70's , all those plastic bumpers

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Feel at home in the earler Mustangs ,prefer the tin dashboards to the fake wood in the 69/70 Mack 1's and the Mopars but that's

how they are so you live with it. Had a dark green 70 Mach 1 and 4 wedges , 2 convertibles and 2 Mack1's but being a short ass i found the

high dashboards and with the high back seats seemed to dominate the interior were the early stangs have low backs to the seats and

dashboards which gives a airier feel. My fault not the cars just have to grow a bit,

I always felt a bit lost in the T/A as being manual i had to have the seat to far forward to reach the clutch and the driving position was low

so that didn't help either,I was ok in my mates auto T/A as i could have the seat further back.

Then again felt even more lost in a 442 Olds i had after the T/A ,the bonnet seemed to go on forever but there again it was auto so could

have the seat back . Strange never felt like that in a full size chrome and fins ,maybe it's because the whole car is so big and a lot of them have electric seats.

Are the cars on UK E bay that you are interested in or in the States, A shark nose would be close to a T/A especially with some

upgrades then no need to part with the RT , A 70/73 T/A would be the only one worth sacrificing it for .

The extra bits on your RT won't put any value on it but might make it easier to sell but would be nice to make it your own with a

few personal upgrades then you can say it's finished but you probably won't use it much now winter's coming on or will you.

I like something ratty for the winter otherwise my ocd cuts in and the cars just sit in the garage waiting for a dry day.



Edited by rat rod on Monday 12th October 00:36

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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Yeah the RT up grades are purely for my benefit , firstly to make the car as reliable as i can, improve its road manners, and last but not least improve its looks!

And thats one reason id like a second driver quality car, i went a tad over with the Challenger, im happy to rag it around, but will keep it dry and clean as much as i can, mud and wet road crap are a real pain when one has a very clean under carriage laugh
I'l just keep looking if nothing turns up, well no problem ive all winter to sort the Chally out, plus theres no guarantee that next spring/summer will be any better show/run wise than this!
One way or another the jobs will get done whether i get a second car or not, just hedging my bets!
But like you said if a TA were to show up i would be looking to move the RT on for the right car, all a tad academic really as this scenario is very unlikely to materialise !

The Chevy is an SS on ebay, but having thought about it today ive rejected the idea, its a nice machine so will be pricey, to good to sit on the drive, and its not a TA :laugh

And yeah know what you mean regarding feeling lost in some of these cars, C3 Vettes how ever as tiny inside, shoulders touching kind of thing!
And yeah the lower back seats, metal dash, chrome Gauges etc feel more period and well 60's !

So i'l just keep an eye out, theres loads going on at the moment, the furlough ends soon so maybe the sh-- will hit the fan, my Knee's been given me major pain ,Job related, i could get my op any time in November, the winter, the rain , did i mention the rain!
Muscle Cars and classics in general tend to loose a teeny weeny bit of appeal from now till spring sleep

Had any luck with the Ruby?? its a perfect motor for Captain Mainwaring types, laugh
Or maybe a Rolls would be more in keep with one's rank!




rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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Yeah the RT up grades are purely for my benefit , firstly to make the car as reliable as i can, improve its road manners, and last but not least improve its looks!

And thats one reason id like a second driver quality car, i went a tad over with the Challenger, im happy to rag it around, but will keep it dry and clean as much as i can, mud and wet road crap are a real pain when one has a very clean under carriage laugh
I'l just keep looking if nothing turns up, well no problem ive all winter to sort the Chally out, plus theres no guarantee that next spring/summer will be any better show/run wise than this!
One way or another the jobs will get done whether i get a second car or not, just hedging my bets!
But like you said if a TA were to show up i would be looking to move the RT on for the right car, all a tad academic really as this scenario is very unlikely to materialise !

The Chevy is an SS on ebay, but having thought about it today ive rejected the idea, its a nice machine so will be pricey, to good to sit on the drive, and its not a TA :laugh

And yeah know what you mean regarding feeling lost in some of these cars, C3 Vettes how ever as tiny inside, shoulders touching kind of thing!
And yeah the lower back seats, metal dash, chrome Gauges etc feel more period and well 60's !

So i'l just keep an eye out, theres loads going on at the moment, the furlough ends soon so maybe the sh-- will hit the fan, my Knee's been given me major pain ,Job related, i could get my op any time in November, the winter, the rain , did i mention the rain!
Muscle Cars and classics in general tend to loose a teeny weeny bit of appeal from now till spring sleep

Had any luck with the Ruby?? its a perfect motor for Captain Mainwaring types, laugh
Or maybe a Rolls would be more in keep with one's rank!
More Pike than Mainwaring , No takers yet,reduced it today to bring it more in line with the others but don't think it will make much difference.
Just a waiting game really.

When winter really sets in and the clock goes back and Christmas on it's way, if we are allowed to have one should be a good time for something to come up at sensible money depending if the seller needs it gone or not.

I remember the photo's of the underside on your R/T and you don't want to be getting that dirty ,
Even more reason to get a driver for the winter.

Watching your restoration unfold most would say she's more than finished but your final touches will make it even more special,
The T/A was on yellow plates,one of my pet hates on a older car and the 455 HO transfers on the shaker were missing ,just a couple of small things

but needed sorting , Black States Plates , 455 HO transfers on and stainless steel wheel emblemishers , thought the wheels looked a bit plain and they gave them a slightly wider look but that might be my imagination. Only 3 small things but just finished off for me.

What i never got round to doing was the lack of brakes, apparently with the high cam that was in there the brakes would never be any good,Something to do with the lack of vacuum and i would have had to change the cam to improve them ,

Also the engine was pinking under load ,we took the timing back a bit which helped a little but felt it was a little flat after that but it could
have been in my head as it was still quick.

Ye the vettes are a cosy fit especially C3's but i'm use to Caterham's so almost limo compared .
My mates 6ft 4" and wound kill to drive a Caterham so some times an advantage being short unless you like tall woman that is.

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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Just had a look at what im guessing was your TA, very nice looking car, PUC 911R ?????
Lovely absolutely my bucket list car laugh

Shame the plate was a P and not a F , lol.................................
coz that what i thought when i saw the price , 27K back then, no bleeding wonder ive never been able to afford one laugh
Good grief you must have been gutted to have had to part with that,

Ironically thats how i ended up with the Challenger, the guy i brought it from owned it for 15 years, but alas the tax man cometh ,
I told Barry that id do right by the old girl, think he'd be pleased with the way Liz came through the surgery laugh




newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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Oh dear, this has just gone up !
Looks like i'l have to try an Add laugh

Depending-on what i can return on my RT, i may be able to go for it without flogging any body parts !



Edited by newsatten on Tuesday 13th October 21:19

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Just had a look at what im guessing was your TA, very nice looking car, PUC 911R ?????
Lovely absolutely my bucket list car laugh

Shame the plate was a P and not a F , lol.................................
coz that what i thought when i saw the price , 27K back then, no bleeding wonder ive never been able to afford one laugh
Good grief you must have been gutted to have had to part with that,

Ironically thats how i ended up with the Challenger, the guy i brought it from owned it for 15 years, but alas the tax man cometh ,
I told Barry that id do right by the old girl, think he'd be pleased with the way Liz came through the surgery laugh

Still am and probably always will , A bit like that one girl friend that got away , Should have sold the 59 El Camino which i had at the same time ,they were worth around the same at the time.The sad part is i would have appreciated and enjoyed the car more now than i did then with more spare time.

How on earth did you dig that up, was that from one of Muscle Technolgies adverts or is it on the internet.

I've seen it once at Billing a few years ago so i think it lives in the midlands somewhere.
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You know i haven't even got one single photo of it, getting all technical i had them transferred to a disc

then damaged it and it wouldn't play.I think i'm going back to camera's with films ,24 prints and your done.
take it to the man at the shop and he gives you 24 photo's in a envelope.

I'v got at least 6 chips with around 600 photo's on each and haven't got a clue what's on any of them now
as i've got this silly chrome book which won't do anything.Deleted my daughters wedding photo's the other day

just by pressing the wrong button .

I remember the plate had the digit of when it was first registered in the UK rather than age related,
I could have applied for a H plate but never got around to it.

I should think Barry is delighted with what you've done, i doubt if he would have got round to doing it.Sounds like you
had a lucky break when you found her.

These things don't happen too often now what with the internet, everybody's to educated.

Love to pay 27k for this T/A i've been offered but he wants close to double that, hard after paying £12,500 for mine only 13 years ago. smash

Only way to look at it is i wouldn't sell my house for what it was worth 13 years ago.

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:

shoot
You could have warned me. wasn't expecting that !

Inspector Clouseau got nothing on you.

forgot it was 4 things not 3, put brand new BF Goodrich lettered tyres on ,

bought 8 from North Hants Tyres ,set for me and a set for my mate who had the blue one.

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:



Oh dear, this has just gone up !
Looks like i'l have to try an Add laugh

Depending-on what i can return on my RT, i may be able to go for it without flogging any body parts !



Edited by newsatten on Tuesday 13th October 21:19
Try a ad with a cheeky price, but would have to be near what the T/A would cost you otherwise no point as you don't

won't to sell the RT unless replaced by one.

Would be hard to do after putting all that effort into it .
PS
Found it,seen this guys adverts before , his cars look really nice, I think the majority if not all of them are still in the States,
At £60k looks like the gap might be to much unless you go into your car fund.





Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 14th October 00:50

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Yes this TA is just on Cars And Classics
Priced at 52500,
Even if mine returned 35 I'm still miles behind lol
No as much as the cars a long awaited pipe dream alas that's what it will remain!
Im just to realistic, all these cars are really too much money for me,
I'm old school and everything these days is just plain daft ,
Not working today so weather permitting I'll go for a blast in the car
And maybe try to get some decent pics
For an add ??


Edited by newsatten on Wednesday 14th October 08:47

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Yes this TA is just on Cars And Classics
Priced at 52500,
Even if mine returned 35 I'm still miles behind lol
No as much as the cars a long awaited pipe dream alas that's what it will remain!
Im just to realistic, all these cars are really too much money for me,
I'm old school and everything these days is just plain daft ,
Not working today so weather permitting I'll go for a blast in the car
And maybe try to get some decent pics
For an add ??


Edited by newsatten on Wednesday 14th October 08:47
Sorry different car to the one i was looking at,looked again and it was auto at £60,

found the manual one at £53k ,at Classic Automobiles, They been around for years in Wandsworth ,

recently moved out into the country , I think they are ok ,at least you can look at the car unlike the auto one

which is probably still in the States.


newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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laugh
The Add's been removed !
good grief if its sold that quickly ive absolutely no chance of getting one now or ever, lol.................

So glad i decided to go Clay shooting this morning now and not taking glamour shots of the Challenger laugh
Oh well back to plan whatever! thats actually a relief as im really not sure i could part with the Dodge!

And yes RR, your old car and lots of others are still floating around the web, apologies for reminding you of previous drama's , and yes you should have sold the pickup lol......................
But as ever hindsight, should have done this or that blah balh balh,

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh
The Add's been removed !
good grief if its sold that quickly ive absolutely no chance of getting one now or ever, lol.................

So glad i decided to go Clay shooting this morning now and not taking glamour shots of the Challenger laugh
Oh well back to plan whatever! thats actually a relief as im really not sure i could part with the Dodge!

And yes RR, your old car and lots of others are still floating around the web, apologies for reminding you of previous drama's , and yes you should have sold the pickup lol......................
But as ever hindsight, should have done this or that blah balh balh,
Ad still on under Classic Cars not American.

Ye should have done but for some reason had more love for the El Camino than T/A at the time.

Plus Bugie was pestering me for the T/A and ready to buy

Plus under pressure with brown envelopes coming through the door .

Wouldn't have sold either of them if had a choice,

Had the perfect pair, a chrome and fin's come pick up and one of the ultimate muscle cars.

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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We all strive for the perfect pair biggrin

Yeah emailed the guy, yeah still has it, owned 10, no other details, i have considered an Add to test the water, but ive sort of got used to the idea of the Dodge being a sunny day kinda thing and a slightly turdy machine to use for work/general smoking lol.......................
yeah the car on the drive ready to roll, no worries if it picks up a few marks etc is very appealing laugh
The RT was a struggle to do, but it was so worth it now, i really dont think i could part with it at this time .
If i can find a later Gen2 TA preferably with a 4 speed or something similar like a Gen2 Z28/SS needing some TLC to take me to my retirement age that would just right,
Maybe not the perfect pair buy given the times its probably the most sensible option, smokin




rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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newsatten said:
We all strive for the perfect pair biggrin

Yeah emailed the guy, yeah still has it, owned 10, no other details, i have considered an Add to test the water, but ive sort of got used to the idea of the Dodge being a sunny day kinda thing and a slightly turdy machine to use for work/general smoking lol.......................
yeah the car on the drive ready to roll, no worries if it picks up a few marks etc is very appealing laugh
The RT was a struggle to do, but it was so worth it now, i really dont think i could part with it at this time .
If i can find a later Gen2 TA preferably with a 4 speed or something similar like a Gen2 Z28/SS needing some TLC to take me to my retirement age that would just right,
Maybe not the perfect pair buy given the times its probably the most sensible option, smokin
Think you might have to much of yourself in the R/T ,all those hours ,getting over all the problems ,

You build up a relationship with the car that you don't get if all the work is carried out by a specialist mechanic.

so parting with a something you've created instead of just another car.What's the saying built not bought.

Like the T/A is your dream muscle car the Challenger for a lot of people is there's.

You can be OCD with the R/T tucked away for the winter and have a rolling driver that's outside

in the rain anyway so no big deal to use it . Will be ok if you improve it and not end up restoring it.

At the moment there seems to be more 70/71 T/A's for sale in the UK than Challengers

unless it's because i'm looking more, Good move keeping to the plan.

One will drop on your lap when your not looking.

newsatten

3,303 posts

114 months

Thursday 15th October 2020
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RR any luck with your sales?
Seems to be tons of motors for sale, almost without exception all hugely over priced, so for the next few months a watch and wait ploy is what i intend to do, like youve said something may well drop in my lap!

I'l just wait till the end of October to see what happens at work, if no major changes i'l order the bits for the Challenger,

And also going to forget about an early TA , feels like Deja vu laugh
Got messed around big time awhile back, buggered if im going back for a second beating lol..........................................
I love em' but i'l never be able to afford one now!..............................................................................................................................