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rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Thursday 10th June 2021
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O.M.G Just found the black Mustangs ad on Car & Classic , more photo's on there that makes it

more obvious ,what surprised me was that it's in the UK and probably paid money to ruin what

was a decentrolleyes car.

roscobbc

3,306 posts

241 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Anyone see the programme earlier this evening about Bond Street - more specifically about Bonhams sale with the Mercury Cougar CJ428 sold last December. Did this actually happen p seem to recall some issue about its 'provinance'. Reading Bonham's speil on https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26122/lot/104/
and this
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37908/ex-james-bond-...
it make one wonder when reading the comment that someone bought it as they wanted the engine (well you would wouldn't you?)
Oddly I remember Lou, one of Billericays Mopar Boys from the 70's buying one of these - so a 428 CJ XR7 - same colour body, same colour interior with the leather seats - probably only 10 years old at the time and seemingly quite a nuice car. It wasn't too long after I had sold off my 428 cu in 7 Litre (and it 'passing-over') The Cougar was a bit of an odd ball car really when you consider all of them in the UK were 289's or 302's (although the guy opposite me had a lime green 390GT version). Lou didn't have too much luck with the Cougar, him reasonably expecting great performance things out of it and I seemed to recall he had various engine issues. If my memory serves me correctly further investigation led to him realising that the CJ engine (perhaps block and heads too?) had been previously swapped out for a 'cooking' 390 cu in lump...........which makes the comment by Bonhams "fully restoring the Holley carburettor; fitting the correct Ram Air induction, air filter, snorkel and heat shield" perhaps open to some conjecture............is it the same vehicle?

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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roscobbc said:
Anyone see the programme earlier this evening about Bond Street - more specifically about Bonhams sale with the Mercury Cougar CJ428 sold last December. Did this actually happen p seem to recall some issue about its 'provinance'. Reading Bonham's speil on https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26122/lot/104/
and this
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37908/ex-james-bond-...
it make one wonder when reading the comment that someone bought it as they wanted the engine (well you would wouldn't you?)
Oddly I remember Lou, one of Billericays Mopar Boys from the 70's buying one of these - so a 428 CJ XR7 - same colour body, same colour interior with the leather seats - probably only 10 years old at the time and seemingly quite a nuice car. It wasn't too long after I had sold off my 428 cu in 7 Litre (and it 'passing-over') The Cougar was a bit of an odd ball car really when you consider all of them in the UK were 289's or 302's (although the guy opposite me had a lime green 390GT version). Lou didn't have too much luck with the Cougar, him reasonably expecting great performance things out of it and I seemed to recall he had various engine issues. If my memory serves me correctly further investigation led to him realising that the CJ engine (perhaps block and heads too?) had been previously swapped out for a 'cooking' 390 cu in lump...........which makes the comment by Bonhams "fully restoring the Holley carburettor; fitting the correct Ram Air induction, air filter, snorkel and heat shield" perhaps open to some conjecture............is it the same vehicle?
I watched the program, thought it quite interesting ,some insight how the other half live.

With the event of the internet if someone was determined enough some relative information would come up about engine

numbers,Liked the way Bonhams say "Believed" if not correct information does that except them from any force statements.

They mentioned that it was bought out of the Exchange & Mart with no mention of the tie to the James Bond film,

Things happened in those days with next to no internet and it was just another old yank in the UK, In those days it was hard to sell

a Mustang let alone a Couger, Also the James Bond films wasn't held in such iconic status, When collecting a Merc 350 SL that

i bought from a lady only a quarter of a mile from my parents house

the son handed over the car and to my surprise he opened another garage containing his Couger convertible ,a think it was a 67 but

had a K plate due to they gave the registration year of importation rather than manufacture,tastefully custom painted

on Centrelines and the rear end jacked up, although just down the road from my mum and dads i'd never seen the car

before, he mentioned he will be putting it up for sale so thought it rude not to buy it for the princely sum of £1250 ,

life was full of surprises like that back then,had a later convertible after that followed by a mint 67 white coupe that somehow

ended up on Charlie March's lawn at the Festival of Speed,didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit and get confused with to many Knife and forks,confusedconfused

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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some bloke said:
Not a bad price for that Valiant - also not a huge car, so a bit easier to drive in the UK than some.
The 65 Barracuda on "The Market" failed to make it's £12K reserve and fell flat on it's face only making £5,300 ,

i know there not popular but it's LHD and looks very clean, should have made more than the Valiant ,perhaps

"The Market" the wrong place for little unknown yanks,

aeropilot

34,295 posts

226 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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rat rod said:
didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit
I have a lovely vintage one, but if I hadn't got one, I would have just hired one with a free ball ticket on offer...!!

Chances like that don't come around very often, no wonder you regret not going!

I used to marshall at FoS in the early days, and we used to get an invite to the awards and prize giving (which was sometimes in the house) and that was cool brushing shoulders with many a well know motorsport face.....who I must admit with only one or two exceptions over the years were all pretty laid back and friendly at FoS to us scumbag marshalls laugh


roscobbc

3,306 posts

241 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
Anyone see the programme earlier this evening about Bond Street - more specifically about Bonhams sale with the Mercury Cougar CJ428 sold last December. Did this actually happen p seem to recall some issue about its 'provinance'. Reading Bonham's speil on https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26122/lot/104/
and this
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37908/ex-james-bond-...
it make one wonder when reading the comment that someone bought it as they wanted the engine (well you would wouldn't you?)
Oddly I remember Lou, one of Billericays Mopar Boys from the 70's buying one of these - so a 428 CJ XR7 - same colour body, same colour interior with the leather seats - probably only 10 years old at the time and seemingly quite a nuice car. It wasn't too long after I had sold off my 428 cu in 7 Litre (and it 'passing-over') The Cougar was a bit of an odd ball car really when you consider all of them in the UK were 289's or 302's (although the guy opposite me had a lime green 390GT version). Lou didn't have too much luck with the Cougar, him reasonably expecting great performance things out of it and I seemed to recall he had various engine issues. If my memory serves me correctly further investigation led to him realising that the CJ engine (perhaps block and heads too?) had been previously swapped out for a 'cooking' 390 cu in lump...........which makes the comment by Bonhams "fully restoring the Holley carburettor; fitting the correct Ram Air induction, air filter, snorkel and heat shield" perhaps open to some conjecture............is it the same vehicle?
I watched the program, thought it quite interesting ,some insight how the other half live.

With the event of the internet if someone was determined enough some relative information would come up about engine

numbers,Liked the way Bonhams say "Believed" if not correct information does that except them from any force statements.

They mentioned that it was bought out of the Exchange & Mart with no mention of the tie to the James Bond film,

Things happened in those days with next to no internet and it was just another old yank in the UK, In those days it was hard to sell

a Mustang let alone a Couger, Also the James Bond films wasn't held in such iconic status, When collecting a Merc 350 SL that

i bought from a lady only a quarter of a mile from my parents house

the son handed over the car and to my surprise he opened another garage containing his Couger convertible ,a think it was a 67 but

had a K plate due to they gave the registration year of importation rather than manufacture,tastefully custom painted

on Centrelines and the rear end jacked up, although just down the road from my mum and dads i'd never seen the car

before, he mentioned he will be putting it up for sale so thought it rude not to buy it for the princely sum of £1250 ,

life was full of surprises like that back then,had a later convertible after that followed by a mint 67 white coupe that somehow

ended up on Charlie March's lawn at the Festival of Speed,didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit and get confused with to many Knife and forks,confusedconfused
Perhaps a CJ Cougar rag top wasn't so unusual back in the day - not being exactly the first choice then for a 'future collectible', yes I would have be a candidate for have the engine 'lifted' for something else. I seem to recall many years ago Freddie 'Clowns Trousers' Yank breakers yard at the Blackwall tunnel reputedly haveing a '65 Galaxie 4 door come-in for braking that actually had a 427 engine installed from new - how rare was that? .
Ever seen one of the 5 or so Ferguson 4WD '69/'70 428CJ Mustangs commissioned by Ford UK as pursuit vehicles?

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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aeropilot said:
rat rod said:
didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit
I have a lovely vintage one, but if I hadn't got one, I would have just hired one with a free ball ticket on offer...!!

Chances like that don't come around very often, no wonder you regret not going!

I used to marshall at FoS in the early days, and we used to get an invite to the awards and prize giving (which was sometimes in the house) and that was cool brushing shoulders with many a well know motorsport face.....who I must admit with only one or two exceptions over the years were all pretty laid back and friendly at FoS to us scumbag marshalls laugh
Ye and i herd that the Beach Boys were playing livesmash

aeropilot

34,295 posts

226 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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rat rod said:
aeropilot said:
rat rod said:
didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit
I have a lovely vintage one, but if I hadn't got one, I would have just hired one with a free ball ticket on offer...!!

Chances like that don't come around very often, no wonder you regret not going!

I used to marshall at FoS in the early days, and we used to get an invite to the awards and prize giving (which was sometimes in the house) and that was cool brushing shoulders with many a well know motorsport face.....who I must admit with only one or two exceptions over the years were all pretty laid back and friendly at FoS to us scumbag marshalls laugh
Ye and i herd that the Beach Boys were playing livesmash
Oooops.....

Saw them play at Wembley about 25 years ago.........they were brilliant.


roscobbc

3,306 posts

241 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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[b]"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28

aeropilot

34,295 posts

226 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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roscobbc][b said:
"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28
Sounds about right to me......so, sorry can't do as requested biggrin


P5BNij

15,764 posts

105 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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rat rod said:
P5BNij said:
Wasn't sure whether it was actually on this year, I haven't really kept up on events, will have to check and book a ticket.

Maser passed its MOT today, should be here in the next few days wink
The excitement is killing me, god knows how you must be feelingbounce

My mate has just bought a F Type Jag blind on the internet,

Asked him today when is coming,he said will be next week now they are delivering it from Liverpool,

No excitement or emotion at all, when it's here it's here he says, like ordering a pair of shoe's from Amazon .

I suppose we are all different ,then he bought the wrong one, a V6 not the V8 rolleyes
Yep I'm gagging to get the Maser here asap! Mike the seller says he's dug out a lot more spares to go with it than he first thought so I'd better make some more room in the garage wink

Always liked the look of the F-Type coupe, there's an old boy round the corner who has a V8 in dark blue which hits the right spot.

SRT Hellcat

7,015 posts

216 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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roscobbc][b said:
"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28
Nope you are right. If they need the Hamster to bring them in work then they are probably no bloody good anyway

newsatten

3,204 posts

113 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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SRT Hellcat said:
roscobbc][b said:
"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28
Nope you are right. If they need the Hamster to bring them in work then they are probably no bloody good anyway
Good grief the Bullsh-- level just rose to Code Red.......................................... the shear number of restoration specialist is amazing given most of the true breed all retired 20 years ago, no doubt Celly will be staging a come back laugh Nah thinking that most of these minted buyers aren't wanting a restored car they want a New Car..................... has to look like a old motor, but drive like a M5..........

LeighW

4,360 posts

187 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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This mustang popped up on ebay today. Not that anyone here might be tempted by it, but just in case anyone is, I would say don't. This is the guy I bought my Firebird from, and I remember looking at it at the time and thinking it was rough. Wavy as hell down the sides, clearly full of filler. It was a solid grey colour then, as can be seen in this picture from just over a month ago:



Now it's a darker metallic grey, but there's no mention of a brand new respray in the advert, despite him listing parts/work done to it... Funny that...



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255013447716?_trkparms=...

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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P5BNij said:
Yep I'm gagging to get the Maser here asap! Mike the seller says he's dug out a lot more spares to go with it than he first thought so I'd better make some more room in the garage wink

Always liked the look of the F-Type coupe, there's an old boy round the corner who has a V8 in dark blue which hits the right spot.
How many sleeps before the Masa is arriving,

My nipper drives the cars,van's on and off the boats, he's what's known as a prestige driver and drives Aston's,

McLaren's, Rollers but one of his favourite cars is the V8 F type,first things first press the sport switch/button ,when they are in convoy

all you can hear is the popping and banging of the exhausts echoing around the dock buildings,driving

Edited by rat rod on Friday 11th June 19:27

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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LeighW said:
This mustang popped up on ebay today. Not that anyone here might be tempted by it, but just in case anyone is, I would say don't. This is the guy I bought my Firebird from, and I remember looking at it at the time and thinking it was rough. Wavy as hell down the sides, clearly full of filler. It was a solid grey colour then, as can be seen in this picture from just over a month ago:



Now it's a darker metallic grey, but there's no mention of a brand new respray in the advert, despite him listing parts/work done to it... Funny that...



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255013447716?_trkparms=...
Could be that he will think that the mention of new paint will put a buyer off thinking

what it might be covering up being so fresh, At least with a older repaint you can see if it's lasted well and

if any reaction has come though ,

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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roscobbc][b said:
"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28
For some it will give them the bragging wrights that they have had their car restored by Hammond the TV personality

(not restorer), As long as it's shinny most wouldn't know the difference between a in-depth restoration and a lick of paint.

aeropilot

34,295 posts

226 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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newsatten said:
SRT Hellcat said:
roscobbc][b said:
"Using the upcoming London Classic Car Show as a backdrop, The Grand Tour host Richard Hammond will be revealing his new classic car restoration business. That’s right, the man who messed up his classic Jaguar XK150 is now going to help others restore their classic rides. Well, to be fair the man will own the restoration business but likely won’t be managing its day-to-day affairs. And we feel confident he won’t be performing the restoration work himself. In other words, this business has a fighting chance to really make it.
Working with Hammond on the project are Neil and Anthony Greenhouse, whom yu might recognize from Hammond’s video updates"[/b]
Sorry to be sceptical fella's - yet another 'celebrity' putting his name to a classic car business - so, presumably inflated prices to cover for the 'connection' that has a CEO that'll be doing nothing other than adding a name. Please tell me I'm wrong........

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 11th June 11:28
Nope you are right. If they need the Hamster to bring them in work then they are probably no bloody good anyway
Good grief the Bullsh-- level just rose to Code Red.......................................... the shear number of restoration specialist is amazing given most of the true breed all retired 20 years ago, no doubt Celly will be staging a come back laugh Nah thinking that most of these minted buyers aren't wanting a restored car they want a New Car..................... has to look like a old motor, but drive like a M5..........
Yep, just like that thread on here the other day about that 'Bullitt' rep resto-mod '68 Fastback with a Coyote V8, 6 speed auto, and high tech gubbins everywhere, and is currently up for sale for £199k......yes, that's £199k.


roscobbc

3,306 posts

241 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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rat rod said:
aeropilot said:
rat rod said:
didn't win anything but got a whole heap of free tickets for 4 days

and a invite to the ball. Regret not going to that but haven't got a monkey suit
I have a lovely vintage one, but if I hadn't got one, I would have just hired one with a free ball ticket on offer...!!

Chances like that don't come around very often, no wonder you regret not going!

I used to marshall at FoS in the early days, and we used to get an invite to the awards and prize giving (which was sometimes in the house) and that was cool brushing shoulders with many a well know motorsport face.....who I must admit with only one or two exceptions over the years were all pretty laid back and friendly at FoS to us scumbag marshalls laugh
Ye and i herd that the Beach Boys were playing livesmash
Only been to Goodwood once - that was the Festival of Speed a few years ago. Was given a couple of complimentary tickets by GM when they had a display with new Vettes etc.

rat rod

4,997 posts

64 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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aeropilot said:
Yep, just like that thread on here the other day about that 'Bullitt' rep resto-mod '68 Fastback with a Coyote V8, 6 speed auto, and high tech gubbins everywhere, and is currently up for sale for £199k......yes, that's £199k.
It's a very expensive dark green Mustang fastback, with the grille debadged that's all. confused:rolleyes:

Edited by rat rod on Saturday 12th June 07:38