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newsatten]rat rod said:
Sorry to hear about your dad , although 11 years ago it's still hard even at our age. I lost mine about 4 years ago then my mum 2 months later . When your dad has the same interest it gives you a even closer bond ,my dad didn't seem that interested in cars and had other interests but still bought some interesting stuff,half the time i think he bought them just to keep me quiet and that was well before i was 17 and couldn't even drive .He had to hide the keys once i passed my test 4 days after my 17th birthday .
I nagged him into buying a 67 Mustang in 1967 ,only 6 months old ,it was only the 2nd Mustang in our town and it was like being celebrities riding round in it .We had to fight our way into the car as there was always a crowd around it. .
Never really got into boats which is strange living by the water,I took a lovely bright red American boat with white interior and a V6 inboard engine in p/ex against a red Mustang fastback, , Quite a boat looked like something out of a James Bond movie but never used it as the guy had advertised it before he p/exchanged it and i said to leave it in the ad and i will give you £500 if i sell it , Sold it the first day of the ad coming out .Was disappointed that i never got to take it out but my mates said just as well as i might get hooked and never get round to doing any work in the summer, Did buy a little 14ft speed boat but never got round to using that either as the guy i bought it from said i could leave it in his garage for a couple of months and then needed the pace a few weeks later and i had no car with a tow bar or space to keep it so sold it to a mate as it was the easier option at the time.
I bet nothing like your power boats that must be exciting doing those sort of speeds on the water,my mate got the bug for boats and ended up winning the group 2 (not sure if that's the wright terminology) championship in his 2nd year of racing,Went over to the I.O.W and Brixham to watch him race ,they were a good bunch of characters mostly driving American trucks funny enough,Funny your dad and you getting into power boats as you don't think of Perry Vale being associated with boats somehow.
Thought you would know that guy with the T/A's he advertised them for quite a while,they looked like basket cases only value would be the V5's and parts if anything else they would be scraped.
I've seen his son advertising yanks,as you say seems to get a lot of Mustang's ,must have some good contacts,he does post on the Mustang forum from time to time.
When i went to the Guildford cruise there was always bikers there,they looked a bit scary but if ever the saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover" applied . They would be there with "children in need " charity buckets at the entrance with a no pressure approach, rain or shine,
Whether bikers.yanks, or rods they all seem to be on the same wavelength including a lot of VW owners,collected a 55 Chevy stepside from Cornwall and most of the VW campers and bugs gave a wave on the way back.
That Taunus must be a rare car not sure if i've ever seen a fastback one.there was a saloon advertised locally ,looked really nice in the photo's ,wasn't a lot of money for something a little different from the norm ,around £4k from memory.
Was talking today with a mate about what you could buy today that might be worth more in a few years without breaking the bank, that Taunus could fit that bill looking at the price of Cortina's and doubt if you will see another even at a show.
Yeah had a fab time back in the day!
and yeah we lived a Perry Vale, but where a early DFL's !
So every Friday Afternoon we would be in the motor and heading down the A2!!!
we had a large Caravan on the site at Recluver, thats when my dad got into boats, started with a small Yearcraft, then Fletchers etc,
Ended up doing a deal and we moved to Whitstable and we were in the boat trade! lol............
Done another deal and we moved to Folkestone, and had a proper boat shop right smack bang in the fish market,
One of our most popular sports/race boat was a Marshan 18,
We put together loads of these, great boat with a single 6 banger Mercury Outboard,
Always being abit outlandish , my dad named a row of them, 1 st up was the Eliminator , then the Terminator, followed by the Liquidator,and lastly the Assassinator !
The very last one was a special build that Marshan boats owner didnt want to make , but my old man kept on at Terry till he gave in and built it! All Jet Gloss Black, Terry Sleep was a Potato Farmer from the Romney Mash, who also made Race Power boats!
He didnt was to lay it up as he said he just could not get it flat/straight enough in the Gloss Black, absolute Evil looking thing when it turned up! My dad just looked at it and said Satan!
And so it was named, block red/orange and yellow font, just the nuts looking thing..............................
We also messed about with bigger off shore stuff like Avenger Two, and Miss Enfield ,
But alas the boat vibe faded around the late 70's,
Great times , something i'l never forget and it never cease's to to make me smile..................................................
One of our customers had a lovely Bullit Mustang, 390GT, it made a fabulous sound from its copper Exhaust!
MIck had his Ram Air TA, My dads partner had a 440 GTX, i remember them all being parked in a line, with a mint Austin Gypsy at the end!
Sounds like your dad was a bit of a character ,the pair of you must have had a blast.I nagged him into buying a 67 Mustang in 1967 ,only 6 months old ,it was only the 2nd Mustang in our town and it was like being celebrities riding round in it .We had to fight our way into the car as there was always a crowd around it. .
Never really got into boats which is strange living by the water,I took a lovely bright red American boat with white interior and a V6 inboard engine in p/ex against a red Mustang fastback, , Quite a boat looked like something out of a James Bond movie but never used it as the guy had advertised it before he p/exchanged it and i said to leave it in the ad and i will give you £500 if i sell it , Sold it the first day of the ad coming out .Was disappointed that i never got to take it out but my mates said just as well as i might get hooked and never get round to doing any work in the summer, Did buy a little 14ft speed boat but never got round to using that either as the guy i bought it from said i could leave it in his garage for a couple of months and then needed the pace a few weeks later and i had no car with a tow bar or space to keep it so sold it to a mate as it was the easier option at the time.
I bet nothing like your power boats that must be exciting doing those sort of speeds on the water,my mate got the bug for boats and ended up winning the group 2 (not sure if that's the wright terminology) championship in his 2nd year of racing,Went over to the I.O.W and Brixham to watch him race ,they were a good bunch of characters mostly driving American trucks funny enough,Funny your dad and you getting into power boats as you don't think of Perry Vale being associated with boats somehow.
Thought you would know that guy with the T/A's he advertised them for quite a while,they looked like basket cases only value would be the V5's and parts if anything else they would be scraped.
I've seen his son advertising yanks,as you say seems to get a lot of Mustang's ,must have some good contacts,he does post on the Mustang forum from time to time.
When i went to the Guildford cruise there was always bikers there,they looked a bit scary but if ever the saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover" applied . They would be there with "children in need " charity buckets at the entrance with a no pressure approach, rain or shine,
Whether bikers.yanks, or rods they all seem to be on the same wavelength including a lot of VW owners,collected a 55 Chevy stepside from Cornwall and most of the VW campers and bugs gave a wave on the way back.
That Taunus must be a rare car not sure if i've ever seen a fastback one.there was a saloon advertised locally ,looked really nice in the photo's ,wasn't a lot of money for something a little different from the norm ,around £4k from memory.
Was talking today with a mate about what you could buy today that might be worth more in a few years without breaking the bank, that Taunus could fit that bill looking at the price of Cortina's and doubt if you will see another even at a show.
Yeah had a fab time back in the day!
and yeah we lived a Perry Vale, but where a early DFL's !
So every Friday Afternoon we would be in the motor and heading down the A2!!!
we had a large Caravan on the site at Recluver, thats when my dad got into boats, started with a small Yearcraft, then Fletchers etc,
Ended up doing a deal and we moved to Whitstable and we were in the boat trade! lol............
Done another deal and we moved to Folkestone, and had a proper boat shop right smack bang in the fish market,
One of our most popular sports/race boat was a Marshan 18,
We put together loads of these, great boat with a single 6 banger Mercury Outboard,
Always being abit outlandish , my dad named a row of them, 1 st up was the Eliminator , then the Terminator, followed by the Liquidator,and lastly the Assassinator !
The very last one was a special build that Marshan boats owner didnt want to make , but my old man kept on at Terry till he gave in and built it! All Jet Gloss Black, Terry Sleep was a Potato Farmer from the Romney Mash, who also made Race Power boats!
He didnt was to lay it up as he said he just could not get it flat/straight enough in the Gloss Black, absolute Evil looking thing when it turned up! My dad just looked at it and said Satan!
And so it was named, block red/orange and yellow font, just the nuts looking thing..............................
We also messed about with bigger off shore stuff like Avenger Two, and Miss Enfield ,
But alas the boat vibe faded around the late 70's,
Great times , something i'l never forget and it never cease's to to make me smile..................................................
One of our customers had a lovely Bullit Mustang, 390GT, it made a fabulous sound from its copper Exhaust!
MIck had his Ram Air TA, My dads partner had a 440 GTX, i remember them all being parked in a line, with a mint Austin Gypsy at the end!
What with all the serious power boats and the all those muscle cars lined up it must have looked like something in a high adventure film set
in Miami rather than Folkestone.
My mate who did the power boat racing bought himself a Bonito Cigarette , not sure on the length but it was very long and had a wing on the back ,very Miami Vice, he fitted 2 350 Chevy engines on straight though exhausts.Could hear him for miles. Would upset all the yachties going out of Lymington water to the Solent .Always got funny looks from the local Customs launch but never stopped us .
He replaced that with a 65ft gin palace that was like a slow boat to China in comparison,ended up doing a runner to Spain in it as his wife was trying to get hold of it in their divorce unsuccessfully you will be pleased to hear.
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The Taunus is a real time piece with it's Wolfrace wheels,must confess that if i was following it i wouldn't have a clue what it is,a bit more recognisable from the front , Certainly won't see another one coming the opposite way ,probably not even in Germany.
Glad to hear the Challenger going nowhere ,sounds like after all the time and effort you have put in to it you are now enjoying it.
And yes he was, not sure Folkestone Fish Market is the UK version of Miami Though
Love the idea !
Back in the Day the Cigarette was my hero off shore machine, total flat top, 468's and a huge out rigger set up for the surface riding props,
epic thing, even then these were playboy types who could afford to buy and run one!
Out of our league lol......................
We did have an Abartie, not sure if thats the spelling?? which was a smaller version, it was a pond boat as my old man would say, but it was quick,
had a pair of Vulcan V10's probably 500 hp each, sounds weedy now but back then these were sea going muscle!
And yes the Taunus is a rare sight , it belongs to a guy i work with, he had one when he was young so reliving old times!
Think he's slid it in quick in case the business starts to fold come November
Edited by newsatten on Friday 4th September 17:02
Great looking late big rear window car, still looks fab.......................................
Never cease to amaze me the money people pay for Rubbish Fastback Mustangs when car like this are out there!
60-70 K now for a 390 car, which generally drive like a turd, Hugely overrated car
newsatten said:
Though id done a deal on this must be 5 years ago ! think it was 22K ish, but the seller pulled out
Not seen it since, it was another relationship breakup i believe, i was kept dangerling for awhile, think the guy was hedging his bets!
Its a auto, but could have lived with that lol
Ces't la vie..............................
Back when i was married i have been guilty of advertising a car that i'm not ready to let it go.
If advertised at a unrealistic price in the hope nobody will call and at least it looks like you are making a effort.
This has backfired even after making myself unavailable most of the time but still managed get round my roadblock and bought the car but at least at my inflated asking price,The guy deserved to own it for his perseverance.
it was a very quick old skool Caterham 7 not a yank.
newsatten said:
It's obviously a different language when talking boats .
I think the white racing T/A is on You Tube if not one like it.
Only reason Mustang Fastbacks fetch the prices they do is as i said in a past post is they have become the American equivalent of the MGB
Everybody and his dog knows what a Mustang is and the buyers are not the normal American car buyer and feel safe buying them.
Most might only associate a T/A with Smokey and the Bandit and we all know that a bull nose T/A is nothing like the 77/79 cars.
So much rarer than the Mustang it's only now that prices have risen with collectors realising this .Always said a standard Mustang drives like a Transit unless modified where the T/A is sharper and handles well straight out of the box.
Maybe if Steve McQueen and Nicolas Cage had used a bull nose T/A the Mustang wouldn't have become so iconic.
There's a Pontiac specialist in Hounslow called Auto Pontiac ,l expect you know of them they've been going for years,Robin the owner has a 70 T/A ,GTO and a rare 69 T/A but also races a white T/A ,I think it's a 77 maybe78/79 not sure,
Watched him race at Thruxton ,quite spectacular watching him carve his way though the European cars.
Edited by rat rod on Friday 4th September 22:56
rat rod said:
The one that got away! had a few like that. That's the problem when buying a loved classic car that is forced on the seller for what ever reason.
Back when i was married i have been guilty of advertising a car that i'm not ready to let it go.
If advertised at a unrealistic price in the hope nobody will call and at least it looks like you are making a effort.
This has backfired even after making myself unavailable most of the time but still managed get round my roadblock and bought the car but at least at my inflated asking price,The guy deserved to own it for his perseverance.
it was a very quick old skool Caterham 7 not a yank.
Yes i was miffed at the time, but like you having been through a s----- divorce myself i knew just how the guy was feeling, if he managed to hang on to it good on him!Back when i was married i have been guilty of advertising a car that i'm not ready to let it go.
If advertised at a unrealistic price in the hope nobody will call and at least it looks like you are making a effort.
This has backfired even after making myself unavailable most of the time but still managed get round my roadblock and bought the car but at least at my inflated asking price,The guy deserved to own it for his perseverance.
it was a very quick old skool Caterham 7 not a yank.
Just been out for a very nice ride around the local coast line in the Challenger, beautiful crystal clear blue sky's, warm but not burning,if the tide had been in it would have been perfect!
Not many people about so the roads were quite, to me thats what makes these cars special, have a blast have a poodle, listen to some tunes and the Fab sound emitting from the Flowmaters, Magic........................................................
rat rod said:
I take it that a Vulcan V10 is a marine engine, 1000 b.h.p and your dad called it a pond boat.
It's obviously a different language when talking boats .
I think the white racing T/A is on You Tube if not one like it.
Only reason Mustang Fastbacks fetch the prices they do is as i said in a past post is they have become the American equivalent of the MGB
Everybody and his dog knows what a Mustang is and the buyers are not the normal American car buyer and feel safe buying them.
Most might only associate a T/A with Smokey and the Bandit and we all know that a bull nose T/A is nothing like the 77/79 cars.
So much rarer than the Mustang it's only now that prices have risen with collectors realising this .Always said a standard Mustang drives like a Transit unless modified where the T/A is sharper and handles well straight out of the box.
Maybe if Steve McQueen and Nicolas Cage had used a bull nose T/A the Mustang wouldn't have become so iconic.
There's a Pontiac specialist in Hounslow called Auto Pontiac ,l expect you know of them they've been going for years,Robin the owner has a 70 T/A ,GTO and a rare 69 T/A but also races a white T/A ,I think it's a 77 maybe78/79 not sure,
Watched him race at Thruxton ,quite spectacular watching him carve his way though the European cars.
The Pond boat thing was a reference to the American type race boats, almost flat bottomed, huge motors very quick things providing the water is as flat as glass!!!
Running quick boats around our coast which is generally bumpy and requires a different type of Hull.............. normally Deep Vee design.
The boat with the Vulcans in it was a race boat built and used when the races were in Europe and on lakes or Canals.
Pretty sure it was owned by a guy from Antwerp
It did'nt really fit into our sort of class of race boat system , sounded epic when it was on it! and probably burning 120 gallons an hour at full throttle !
A D class boat with two Black Max outboards would do around half that amount of fuel,
And yes i guess it was a Marine Engine, but pretty much all motors can be adapted with water cooled exhaust manifolds and total loss cooling systems,
They were cam in block , V 10' s great looking motors.........................................
And dont get me wrong regarding the Fastback Mustang, I love em, cant believe anybody saying there are not a great looking car,
but like my idol the prices now are way beyond normal peoples incomes, certainly well passed the likes of myself!
It's obviously a different language when talking boats .
I think the white racing T/A is on You Tube if not one like it.
Only reason Mustang Fastbacks fetch the prices they do is as i said in a past post is they have become the American equivalent of the MGB
Everybody and his dog knows what a Mustang is and the buyers are not the normal American car buyer and feel safe buying them.
Most might only associate a T/A with Smokey and the Bandit and we all know that a bull nose T/A is nothing like the 77/79 cars.
So much rarer than the Mustang it's only now that prices have risen with collectors realising this .Always said a standard Mustang drives like a Transit unless modified where the T/A is sharper and handles well straight out of the box.
Maybe if Steve McQueen and Nicolas Cage had used a bull nose T/A the Mustang wouldn't have become so iconic.
There's a Pontiac specialist in Hounslow called Auto Pontiac ,l expect you know of them they've been going for years,Robin the owner has a 70 T/A ,GTO and a rare 69 T/A but also races a white T/A ,I think it's a 77 maybe78/79 not sure,
Watched him race at Thruxton ,quite spectacular watching him carve his way though the European cars.
The Pond boat thing was a reference to the American type race boats, almost flat bottomed, huge motors very quick things providing the water is as flat as glass!!!
Running quick boats around our coast which is generally bumpy and requires a different type of Hull.............. normally Deep Vee design.
The boat with the Vulcans in it was a race boat built and used when the races were in Europe and on lakes or Canals.
Pretty sure it was owned by a guy from Antwerp
It did'nt really fit into our sort of class of race boat system , sounded epic when it was on it! and probably burning 120 gallons an hour at full throttle !
A D class boat with two Black Max outboards would do around half that amount of fuel,
And yes i guess it was a Marine Engine, but pretty much all motors can be adapted with water cooled exhaust manifolds and total loss cooling systems,
They were cam in block , V 10' s great looking motors.........................................
And dont get me wrong regarding the Fastback Mustang, I love em, cant believe anybody saying there are not a great looking car,
but like my idol the prices now are way beyond normal peoples incomes, certainly well passed the likes of myself!
Edited by rat rod on Friday 4th September 22:56
Just can't see any logic in paying the prices that are being asked for common or garden 'cooking' Mustangs - particularly lo-spec and 2bbl coupes when there are more interesting and less expensive alternatives from other brands. OK, so C1 and C2 Vette's have gone the same way Stateside and here in terms of prices - but they are far more sophisticated (arn't they?). Chrome bumper Vettes were always at a premium until stupid films like Gone in 60 Seconds seem to elevate the price of all Mustangs. A crazy scenario where, for the money you'll be asked to pay for a 'restored' 65/66 Mustang coupe you can get a good 68-72 Vette. Anyone noticed how 75-81 Vettes are creeping-up - £20K gets you the very best late C3. Where's all the logic in the world gone?
roscobbc said:
Just can't see any logic in paying the prices that are being asked for common or garden 'cooking' Mustangs - particularly lo-spec and 2bbl coupes when there are more interesting and less expensive alternatives from other brands. OK, so C1 and C2 Vette's have gone the same way Stateside and here in terms of prices - but they are far more sophisticated (arn't they?). Chrome bumper Vettes were always at a premium until stupid films like Gone in 60 Seconds seem to elevate the price of all Mustangs. A crazy scenario where, for the money you'll be asked to pay for a 'restored' 65/66 Mustang coupe you can get a good 68-72 Vette. Anyone noticed how 75-81 Vettes are creeping-up - £20K gets you the very best late C3. Where's all the logic in the world gone?
I saw an ad the other day for an 'Eleanor' Mustang - IIRC it was @ £130k newsatten said:
Yes i was miffed at the time, but like you having been through a s----- divorce myself i knew just how the guy was feeling, if he managed to hang on to it good on him!
Just been out for a very nice ride around the local coast line in the Challenger, beautiful crystal clear blue sky's, warm but not burning,if the tide had been in it would have been perfect!
Not many people about so the roads were quite, to me thats what makes these cars special, have a blast have a poodle, listen to some tunes and the Fab sound emitting from the Flowmaters, Magic........................................................
To me taking a special car for a drive for no reason other than enjoying it is on the same level as playing a sport well or a good workout at the gym for others and as therapeutic as bonding with your dog or any other animal for that matter.Just been out for a very nice ride around the local coast line in the Challenger, beautiful crystal clear blue sky's, warm but not burning,if the tide had been in it would have been perfect!
Not many people about so the roads were quite, to me thats what makes these cars special, have a blast have a poodle, listen to some tunes and the Fab sound emitting from the Flowmaters, Magic........................................................
If you tried to explain it to someone who drives just to get from A to B in their motorised shopping trolley's they would never get it.
My brother is a prime example ,if i offered him a 2 seater super car with a small boot or none at all he would drive off in his standard Golf every time not having enough room for his golf clubs and trolley. Not knocking it just saying.
It's a disease we have been afflicted with and there's no cure according to my doctor .
Edited by rat rod on Saturday 5th September 21:43
roscobbc said:
Just can't see any logic in paying the prices that are being asked for common or garden 'cooking' Mustangs - particularly lo-spec and 2bbl coupes when there are more interesting and less expensive alternatives from other brands. OK, so C1 and C2 Vette's have gone the same way Stateside and here in terms of prices - but they are far more sophisticated (arn't they?). Chrome bumper Vettes were always at a premium until stupid films like Gone in 60 Seconds seem to elevate the price of all Mustangs. A crazy scenario where, for the money you'll be asked to pay for a 'restored' 65/66 Mustang coupe you can get a good 68-72 Vette. Anyone noticed how 75-81 Vettes are creeping-up - £20K gets you the very best late C3. Where's all the logic in the world gone?
C1's are double sometimes more than say a 55/57 T/bird ,i know they are more sports car than cruiser but not sure why such a difference.already stated my feelings on Mustangs on other post's but totally agree with you that they are overrated and overpriced for what they are .Give me a manual C2 or C3 chrome bumper at a similar price of a Cobra replica any time.
Edited by rat rod on Sunday 6th September 02:48
newsatten said:
rat rod said:
I take it that a Vulcan V10 is a marine engine, 1000 b.h.p and your dad called it a pond boat.
It's obviously a different language when talking boats .
I think the white racing T/A is on You Tube if not one like it.
Only reason Mustang Fastbacks fetch the prices they do is as i said in a past post is they have become the American equivalent of the MGB
Everybody and his dog knows what a Mustang is and the buyers are not the normal American car buyer and feel safe buying them.
Most might only associate a T/A with Smokey and the Bandit and we all know that a bull nose T/A is nothing like the 77/79 cars.
So much rarer than the Mustang it's only now that prices have risen with collectors realising this .Always said a standard Mustang drives like a Transit unless modified where the T/A is sharper and handles well straight out of the box.
Maybe if Steve McQueen and Nicolas Cage had used a bull nose T/A the Mustang wouldn't have become so iconic.
There's a Pontiac specialist in Hounslow called Auto Pontiac ,l expect you know of them they've been going for years,Robin the owner has a 70 T/A ,GTO and a rare 69 T/A but also races a white T/A ,I think it's a 77 maybe78/79 not sure,
Watched him race at Thruxton ,quite spectacular watching him carve his way though the European cars.
The Pond boat thing was a reference to the American type race boats, almost flat bottomed, huge motors very quick things providing the water is as flat as glass!!!
Running quick boats around our coast which is generally bumpy and requires a different type of Hull.............. normally Deep Vee design.
The boat with the Vulcans in it was a race boat built and used when the races were in Europe and on lakes or Canals.
Pretty sure it was owned by a guy from Antwerp
It did'nt really fit into our sort of class of race boat system , sounded epic when it was on it! and probably burning 120 gallons an hour at full throttle !
A D class boat with two Black Max outboards would do around half that amount of fuel,
And yes i guess it was a Marine Engine, but pretty much all motors can be adapted with water cooled exhaust manifolds and total loss cooling systems,
They were cam in block , V 10' s great looking motors.........................................
And dont get me wrong regarding the Fastback Mustang, I love em, cant believe anybody saying there are not a great looking car,
but like my idol the prices now are way beyond normal peoples incomes, certainly well passed the likes of myself!
It's obviously a different language when talking boats .
I think the white racing T/A is on You Tube if not one like it.
Only reason Mustang Fastbacks fetch the prices they do is as i said in a past post is they have become the American equivalent of the MGB
Everybody and his dog knows what a Mustang is and the buyers are not the normal American car buyer and feel safe buying them.
Most might only associate a T/A with Smokey and the Bandit and we all know that a bull nose T/A is nothing like the 77/79 cars.
So much rarer than the Mustang it's only now that prices have risen with collectors realising this .Always said a standard Mustang drives like a Transit unless modified where the T/A is sharper and handles well straight out of the box.
Maybe if Steve McQueen and Nicolas Cage had used a bull nose T/A the Mustang wouldn't have become so iconic.
There's a Pontiac specialist in Hounslow called Auto Pontiac ,l expect you know of them they've been going for years,Robin the owner has a 70 T/A ,GTO and a rare 69 T/A but also races a white T/A ,I think it's a 77 maybe78/79 not sure,
Watched him race at Thruxton ,quite spectacular watching him carve his way though the European cars.
The Pond boat thing was a reference to the American type race boats, almost flat bottomed, huge motors very quick things providing the water is as flat as glass!!!
Running quick boats around our coast which is generally bumpy and requires a different type of Hull.............. normally Deep Vee design.
The boat with the Vulcans in it was a race boat built and used when the races were in Europe and on lakes or Canals.
Pretty sure it was owned by a guy from Antwerp
It did'nt really fit into our sort of class of race boat system , sounded epic when it was on it! and probably burning 120 gallons an hour at full throttle !
A D class boat with two Black Max outboards would do around half that amount of fuel,
And yes i guess it was a Marine Engine, but pretty much all motors can be adapted with water cooled exhaust manifolds and total loss cooling systems,
They were cam in block , V 10' s great looking motors.........................................
And dont get me wrong regarding the Fastback Mustang, I love em, cant believe anybody saying there are not a great looking car,
but like my idol the prices now are way beyond normal peoples incomes, certainly well passed the likes of myself!
Edited by rat rod on Friday 4th September 22:56
In a way i'm glad i'm not into them,can you imagine trying to combine a passion for cars and boats, Ok if you are wealthy but making your budget work for both would be a nightmare.
If i lived somewhere with a hot climate it might be a different matter,probably have a decent boat over a nice car .
Like you i love the look of the Mustang especially 64-68 and have owned a few but just feel they are over rated and over priced compared to what else is out there,They are just trading on their iconic film star status, Clive Sutton Ltd are asking £50 shy of £200k for a 68 Bullitt clone and that's at reduced price also Bill Shepherd Mustang is offering a similar car on P.O.A . Footballers and lottery winners prices.
A collection of yanks or a couple Italian exotics can be had for that money
rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
Just can't see any logic in paying the prices that are being asked for common or garden 'cooking' Mustangs - particularly lo-spec and 2bbl coupes when there are more interesting and less expensive alternatives from other brands. OK, so C1 and C2 Vette's have gone the same way Stateside and here in terms of prices - but they are far more sophisticated (arn't they?). Chrome bumper Vettes were always at a premium until stupid films like Gone in 60 Seconds seem to elevate the price of all Mustangs. A crazy scenario where, for the money you'll be asked to pay for a 'restored' 65/66 Mustang coupe you can get a good 68-72 Vette. Anyone noticed how 75-81 Vettes are creeping-up - £20K gets you the very best late C3. Where's all the logic in the world gone?
C1's are double sometimes more than say a 55/57 T/bird ,i know they are more sports car than cruiser but not sure why such a difference.already stated my feelings on Mustangs on other post's but totally agree with you that they are overrated and overpriced for what they are .Give me a manual C2 or C3 chrome bumper at a similar price of a Cobra replica any time.
Edited by rat rod on Sunday 6th September 02:48
My 'old' '71 429 SCJ Mach 1 was recently bought by a buyer back in the 'States and presumably going to have a well deserved 'full' restoration. Yeah, OK 71-73's are a desired 'taste' arguably - although (and despite increased bulk) a better riding car than the earlier BB cars. I owned it 30 years or so ago - but always kept track of it knowing its rarity. Rarer (in numbers produced) than any Boss variant. However 'rarity' and desirabilty do not always go hand in hand and I passed-up on the opportunity to buy it back recently at a very good price knowing the potential costs of factoring it out for the full resto/rebuild it needed and the fact that it would be a very difficult sale in the UK if I had to move it on. I'll mention Mustang 11's in passing - OK, a Pinto 'in drag' and a hairdressers or ladies car in many peoples eyes and always downrated in terms of desirability (or even being seen in one) - very, very few around now, especially 302's and the more desirable fastback versions. Has anyone ever driven one? - OK on paper a lo-po product from the emission era, so a 'downer' to start with. Er' Indoors had a RHD 302 Ghia years ago and we both loved it - it was just like driving a 'full size' yank around, fantastically wallowy. Desirabilty now - zero?
Yeah i agree , i had a 351 CJ, must have been around 83' it had been launched when i brought it, smashed rear near side quarter, damaged door etc,the axle took the brunt of the impact as was like a banana !
However when we squared the car up, and replaced the damaged bits, it drove really well, far more compliant and must better road manners than a 68' id had the year before,
It met a bad end after i sold it to a guy from Dover, he was a trolley dolly on the Fairy's , worked for Sealink i think, anyway he liked a beer, came off shift p----- as er, and absolutely wrecked the car by hitting the railings up by Dovers Old Borstal
He survived ok the Breadvan unfortunately did not!
Your SCJ big block must have been a machine?, but as you say you may have been able to rebuy it, but the costs for restoration work is now
horrifying, a full resto to a good standard will go 1000 hours, 50K, plus parts/panels/paint ............................
Theres a 67 Fastback on Ebay with what looks like a old restoration , needs doing again now and its still up at 38K ish, the mind boggles lol Can you imagine what this will stand the owner in once its all done again, and as for these reshelled manufactured Mustangs like Rat Rod pointed out these are 200K , all owned no doubt by Footballers,Bankers and Drug Dealers
However fortunately there are still cars out there that are a fraction of that sort of price and ironically probably better cars, Like a quarter bumper big nose solid lifter 300horse M21/22 equipped 71 Z28.
These dont seem to command as much cash as a early TA,
Great looking car from all angles, maybe just affordable to us Peasants lol.............................
However when we squared the car up, and replaced the damaged bits, it drove really well, far more compliant and must better road manners than a 68' id had the year before,
It met a bad end after i sold it to a guy from Dover, he was a trolley dolly on the Fairy's , worked for Sealink i think, anyway he liked a beer, came off shift p----- as er, and absolutely wrecked the car by hitting the railings up by Dovers Old Borstal
He survived ok the Breadvan unfortunately did not!
Your SCJ big block must have been a machine?, but as you say you may have been able to rebuy it, but the costs for restoration work is now
horrifying, a full resto to a good standard will go 1000 hours, 50K, plus parts/panels/paint ............................
Theres a 67 Fastback on Ebay with what looks like a old restoration , needs doing again now and its still up at 38K ish, the mind boggles lol Can you imagine what this will stand the owner in once its all done again, and as for these reshelled manufactured Mustangs like Rat Rod pointed out these are 200K , all owned no doubt by Footballers,Bankers and Drug Dealers
However fortunately there are still cars out there that are a fraction of that sort of price and ironically probably better cars, Like a quarter bumper big nose solid lifter 300horse M21/22 equipped 71 Z28.
These dont seem to command as much cash as a early TA,
Great looking car from all angles, maybe just affordable to us Peasants lol.............................
Edited by newsatten on Sunday 6th September 12:15
Scrub that last comment regarding Z28's ! couldn't find any that were passable cars under $60K ..........................
And with the exchange rate, shipping and handling charges, duty etc = £60,000 here FFS............................................................
So they are off the list too
newsatten said:
Scrub that last comment regarding Z28's ! couldn't find any that were passable cars under $60K ..........................
And with the exchange rate, shipping and handling charges, duty etc = £60,000 here FFS............................................................
So they are off the list too
Yes thats pretty much a given.
Think im going to struggle finding something suitable as a project though?
theres so much utter rubbish being brought in and coming out the wood work , people no doubt trying to cash in on the current silly prices?
I'l just keep looking and see what comes up?
Just would be nice to have something just sitting in case things take a turn
As ive said before , got plenty planned for the Dodge over the coming months, so i'l keep busy,
Hopefully i'l find out whats the SP regarding my dodgy Knee on Wednesday as ive an appointment with the Consultant.
As ive been warned that i could be out of action for up to 12 weeks following surgery,
newsatten said:
Yes thats pretty much a given.
Think im going to struggle finding something suitable as a project though?
theres so much utter rubbish being brought in and coming out the wood work , people no doubt trying to cash in on the current silly prices?
I'l just keep looking and see what comes up?
Just would be nice to have something just sitting in case things take a turn
As ive said before , got plenty planned for the Dodge over the coming months, so i'l keep busy,
Hopefully i'l find out whats the SP regarding my dodgy Knee on Wednesday as ive an appointment with the Consultant.
As ive been warned that i could be out of action for up to 12 weeks following surgery,
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 8th September 11:26
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