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rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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newsatten said:
yeah saw the prices of a few things was dropping, hardly surprising really, 90 grand for a wobbly Mach 1 ffs...................................laugh

And Late ish Fatboy rides have always been just about affordable to people on normal,ish incomes, but buying and running are way way different things!
500 horse Bentley's, scary quick car, 15-20K , supercar at shoe box money, just pray it dont go wrong!
DB 9's at 35K , fab looking and sounding car,

Lovely scary things, but absolutely soulless, with no sense of Theater, nah i'l keep the Mechanical dinosaur ! the only electrics its got do something useful, likes lights, heater blower ignition etc , when it breaks i can fix it, my car's not particularly fast, dont handle, terrible on fuel, noisy , and a bumpy ride, in a word Fabulous,

Plenty of drama and theatre at 80 mph opposed to having to get well past license losing territory in prestige or super car to

get the same thrill. Would you rather drive a slow car fast or a fast car slow .


roscobbc

3,358 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th February 2021
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These old beasts have a life, a personality - posted this on CCCUK forum - some electrical quirks with the Vette
"Sod's law is that the heater fan stopped working a couple of weeks ago just when I needed it in the colder weather. These cars have a life and 'personality' all of their own.......I've had this issue several times in my 20 years of ownership and a fiddle/wiggle of positive and earth terminals usually does the job. Not today however - took the centre console apart and checked connections to the multi position fan switch.....and nothing. So put it all back together......very gently (old vinyl and the plastic core of the console does degrade and will fall apart if not careful) - and did a final 'wiggle' test on positive terminal on heater blower before removal...........and the fan worked.........and continued to work after some more 'wiggling' - albeit on fast speed only. A further 'wiggle' procedure on fan switch and the intermediate speeds re-appeared! - how long for is another matter - at least I know the two sources of the problems. One of the 4 '68 specific rear light assemblies is like that - even after re-wring/re-earthing it wouldn't come on without a 'slap' to the rear deck (onlookers are frequently amused) - 20 years later and it still has the 'quirk' - don't you just love it all.......cars with personalities"

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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roscobbc said:
These old beasts have a life, a personality - posted this on CCCUK forum - some electrical quirks with the Vette
"Sod's law is that the heater fan stopped working a couple of weeks ago just when I needed it in the colder weather. These cars have a life and 'personality' all of their own.......I've had this issue several times in my 20 years of ownership and a fiddle/wiggle of positive and earth terminals usually does the job. Not today however - took the centre console apart and checked connections to the multi position fan switch.....and nothing. So put it all back together......very gently (old vinyl and the plastic core of the console does degrade and will fall apart if not careful) - and did a final 'wiggle' test on positive terminal on heater blower before removal...........and the fan worked.........and continued to work after some more 'wiggling' - albeit on fast speed only. A further 'wiggle' procedure on fan switch and the intermediate speeds re-appeared! - how long for is another matter - at least I know the two sources of the problems. One of the 4 '68 specific rear light assemblies is like that - even after re-wring/re-earthing it wouldn't come on without a 'slap' to the rear deck (onlookers are frequently amused) - 20 years later and it still has the 'quirk' - don't you just love it all.......cars with personalities"
Can't beat tractor mechanics, screwdriver in one pocket and a spanner in the other should get you home at least unless something serious

Recently been at the mercy of a overzealous Italian car specialist who unnecessarily took my car apart and then used the trial and error

approach to finding the problem, ok on a Morris Minor maybe but a expensive way of doing things on one of these things .

After hundreds of phone calls and several visits finally got the car back after 7 months and a eye watering invoice.






newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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RR good news on the beast, electrickery is needed for some of these cars! Half the time the factory dealers han'nt a clue why stuff dont work, or why one problem begets another!
A typical issue , last week i had to repair a Porsche Boxster, one of our mot'er's managed to badly damage the drivers door, so i had to repair the door, prep both quarters, and refinish the complete side, when i removed the inner door panel, mirror etc, disconnecting the door switches, then caused the throttle to cease working!.............

Not a problem when doing repairs, but a small failure, within the doors could cause a breakdown, and a perplexed AA man etc,
The ECU's CPU's and ageing wiring and corroded terminal blocks will put a lot of these cars in the frag, repair cost can be huge purely due to the amount of time it takes to clear the faults , 110 plus hourly rate soon adds up!

Almost all of our bus failures are Electrical or Ad Blue based,


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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newsatten said:
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RR good news on the beast, electrickery is needed for some of these cars! Half the time the factory dealers han'nt a clue why stuff dont work, or why one problem begets another!
A typical issue , last week i had to repair a Porsche Boxster, one of our mot'er's managed to badly damage the drivers door, so i had to repair the door, prep both quarters, and refinish the complete side, when i removed the inner door panel, mirror etc, disconnecting the door switches, then caused the throttle to cease working!.............

Not a problem when doing repairs, but a small failure, within the doors could cause a breakdown, and a perplexed AA man etc,
The ECU's CPU's and ageing wiring and corroded terminal blocks will put a lot of these cars in the frag, repair cost can be huge purely due to the amount of time it takes to clear the faults , 110 plus hourly rate soon adds up!

Almost all of our bus failures are Electrical or Ad Blue based,

And that's built by German's try 17 year old Italian electrics . Probably the worst kind , just old enough to give trouble but complex

enough that i haven't got a clue what i'm doing, Two of my older Italian cars are on carbs with not a ECU in sight so although they

can be a bit temperamental i can do majority work myself ,still nuts and bolts just Italian ones.


mercedeslimos

1,657 posts

169 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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newsatten said:
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RR good news on the beast, electrickery is needed for some of these cars! Half the time the factory dealers han'nt a clue why stuff dont work, or why one problem begets another!
A typical issue , last week i had to repair a Porsche Boxster, one of our mot'er's managed to badly damage the drivers door, so i had to repair the door, prep both quarters, and refinish the complete side, when i removed the inner door panel, mirror etc, disconnecting the door switches, then caused the throttle to cease working!.............

Not a problem when doing repairs, but a small failure, within the doors could cause a breakdown, and a perplexed AA man etc,
The ECU's CPU's and ageing wiring and corroded terminal blocks will put a lot of these cars in the frag, repair cost can be huge purely due to the amount of time it takes to clear the faults , 110 plus hourly rate soon adds up!

Almost all of our bus failures are Electrical or Ad Blue based,

We had a job on a Setra 416 that took 17 days to fix. Yep. Seventeen. Days.

New A/C Compressor, The old one's clutch had seized and back-fed the entire wiring loom back to one of the rear A/C control units. About €5k in new parts and most of the bus floor, overhead lockers, and ceiling and inner side panels removed. Suppose she had a good run, a million kilometres on it but that's a long time in the summer when it's hot outside!

SRT Hellcat

7,031 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th February 2021
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Almost all of our bus failures are Electrical or Ad Blue based,
Morning. What issues are you are seeing with Ad Blue out of interest

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Thursday 18th February 2021
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Regular Failure of Dosing Units, injector nozzles, wiring issues , Cummings and other manufactures always blame end users, sometimes to dopey Drivers
dont check the Ad Blue level, if it runs low, the vehicles go into limp mode, the exhaust then cooks the injector and seals off the nozzle!
However weve now seen the pumps crystallising and blocking up even if the Ad Blue tank is topped up!

The trouble is the correct purge procedure takes ages, its just not a practical option for most user's

room for improvement ! We think! ..............................

SRT Hellcat

7,031 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th February 2021
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That is helpful to know. We bought a new Iveco flat bed 3.5 tonne truck May 2019. Our old Iveco 2007 had done 300,000 miles with very few problems. It was about time to upgrade plus all these bloody ELEZ restrictions and charges. Hoping the new one will behave itself. So far so good. Fingers crossed. I hate bloody diesel.
I wonder if there are different qualities of adblue that might be causing issues. I have no idea

mercedeslimos

1,657 posts

169 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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SRT Hellcat said:
That is helpful to know. We bought a new Iveco flat bed 3.5 tonne truck May 2019. Our old Iveco 2007 had done 300,000 miles with very few problems. It was about time to upgrade plus all these bloody ELEZ restrictions and charges. Hoping the new one will behave itself. So far so good. Fingers crossed. I hate bloody diesel.
I wonder if there are different qualities of adblue that might be causing issues. I have no idea
Is yours the 3.0 4-cylinder SRT?We have 4 of them, 2017-2019, 3 180bhp ones and a 210bhp auto.

SRT Hellcat

7,031 posts

217 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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mercedeslimos said:
Is yours the 3.0 4-cylinder SRT?We have 4 of them, 2017-2019, 3 180bhp ones and a 210bhp auto.
Ours is a 35C14 with the 2.3 litre engine and the ZF 8 speed auto. Our driver who has been with us a long drives slow and steady.

mercedeslimos

1,657 posts

169 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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SRT Hellcat said:
Ours is a 35C14 with the 2.3-litre engine and the ZF 8 speed auto. Our driver who has been with us a long time drives slow and steady.
We have had 2 AdBlue issues, but one was a tank that split across the top, and another the pipe from the tank to the filler split. Horrid stuff dries crystalline. Evaporated horse piss!

They are an OK drive, though the 3.0 manual is dog slow at 5.3t unladen. the ZF8 is better, but it still isn't a perfect match for its job IMO. Prefer the drive of the Sprinter (but max 21 seats there, whereas the Iveco will take 29)

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Blimey your using the posh stuff! ours is Pigs Piss laugh

NIce day here today so managed to get a run out in the Dodge.............................. this was obliviously completely essential , errr........
Good grief smile inducing or what! In just a few weeks i'd forgotten how good this car is, Had a clean up under the Hood, did'nt get to carried away
but looking acceptable ,

Still got the Black Crackle to do on the Air Cleaner Top, and still ummming about what Rims to Buy????

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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newsatten said:
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Blimey your using the posh stuff! ours is Pigs Piss laugh

NIce day here today so managed to get a run out in the Dodge.............................. this was obliviously completely essential , errr........
Good grief smile inducing or what! In just a few weeks i'd forgotten how good this car is, Had a clean up under the Hood, did'nt get to carried away
but looking acceptable ,

Still got the Black Crackle to do on the Air Cleaner Top, and still ummming about what Rims to Buy????
Engine compartment looks good the way it is, unless going for a concours prize, looks clean but lived in at the moment. air cleaner won't take

long just getting round to it.

Rims are a different matter, Like wearing a tuxedo with a pair trainers if you get it wrong ,

A little overdone but can't go wrong with old skool mat spoked Torque Thrusts or be a little different with a set Rocket

Booster gray series RB's or R23's, had them on my 64 Le Camino , Steels with dog dish caps give a serious muscle car look .

Just my two penny's worth.

What did you have in mind .After all it's your car and money. scratchchin





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newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Everyone fits ARE's TT's in some shape or another ! ............ The original type look period , but abit cliche'd , and sticking with 15's tyre choice is pants,


im leaning towards 18's with 45's front and 50's rear, then fully restoring my Rally's, and fitting new BFG's this option gives me big black Hoop's, and originality,
I dont do shiny laugh The Hotchkiss Challenger is on Black big rims and does look good, nice stance and a tad understated,

Ive all but given up now finding a second car now so can blow some cash on the Dodge , clap





newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Not the best'es picture but you get the sort of thing!


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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newsatten said:


Not the best'es picture but you get the sort of thing!
Yep, like them a lot. gives the car a hard edge.

mercedeslimos

1,657 posts

169 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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newsatten what does your fleet run? We have loads of buckets of crap, though it's a family business and the MD has a thing for Mercs, and my boss (his nephew) for BMWs and has about ten E39s stored in the workshop!

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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Yeah mines the same, family owned and been running since 1970................ my boss is the third gen, He's ok, young so likes the Tech, weve more cameras the Youve Been Framed! Youtube adds are shot with drones, he even filmed me Refinishing a Resto i'd done,
They have 4 E's 2 MGA's one a Twin Cam, A Stag, couple of old Series Land Rovers Bah Bah .............................

Our main Fleet is Wright Bus, which is a bummer as they are crap and defunct laugh still gots some Darts which are almost bomb proof .........
Loads Of mini Buses, VW's Merc's and Big Coaches Volvo's and some Chinese Crap things??? with a long unpronounceable name laugh

Weve also got a Retail unit doing all sorts of MOT's on Campers , Van etc and Cars ....................

The Pay is pants, but its 5 mins from my home and most of the time i dont have a monkey on my back, and maybe i'l get my new booth ??

newsatten

3,306 posts

114 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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Sunny here again today , so got the Dodge out , Done the Coastal tour laugh Kept to the speed limits to the letter, the Feds around here while not running road blocks , but loads more than normal speed checks, Bout the only real use that Facebook has is the local Jungle Drums, letting people know if the cops are active!

So many bodys about you'd think it was summer and no lockdown laugh
One of our relations runs a Beach side coffee shop, they reopened today, so the Wife and I called in for a drink, after about 20 minutes the place was busy, People looking at the car and buying Coffee laugh Ive been asked to park the Dodge down there more often !