Roger Albert Clark Rally 2023
Discussion
Question - Is the RAC website the most poorly designed on the 'net?
After clicking on that link and going to that Website, where exactly is the entry list? Does it actually give me the dates of the Rally even?
I mean, would it be so hard to make it look like a 21st century website or actually allow it to be informative. If it's obvious and I've gone all Helen Keller then fair enough.....
Just curious.
After clicking on that link and going to that Website, where exactly is the entry list? Does it actually give me the dates of the Rally even?
I mean, would it be so hard to make it look like a 21st century website or actually allow it to be informative. If it's obvious and I've gone all Helen Keller then fair enough.....
Just curious.
Edited by shaunroche on Monday 20th March 10:24
Scroll down under the pictures - click on unseeded entry list published 19th March.
If you then click on regulations, it will give dates which are November 23rd to 27th.
Latest News give some route info but route will be published 30th March - click on route information.
Some info also here ;
https://www.facebook.com/RogerAlbertClark/?locale=...
https://www.britishrally.co.uk ( you need to register I think ) .
If you then click on regulations, it will give dates which are November 23rd to 27th.
Latest News give some route info but route will be published 30th March - click on route information.
Some info also here ;
https://www.facebook.com/RogerAlbertClark/?locale=...
https://www.britishrally.co.uk ( you need to register I think ) .
Edited by classicfred on Monday 20th March 16:01
Provisional route announced - just the final 3 stages TBA. Which may run as one long stage.....
http://racrmc.org/roger-albert-clark-rally/route
http://racrmc.org/roger-albert-clark-rally/route
bloomen said:
Good on 'em for keeping it going all these years. It must be a brute of a task.
126 out of 187 cars are Mk1 or 2 Escorts.
I do fo course get it. I'd still offer discounted entry to anyone not in another Escort.
The reason is, of course, like MGBs you can get absolutely everything for a Mk1 or 2 Escort from complete shells to an updated alternator, whether looking for bits for a “historic spec” car or a “modern spec” one. It’s just easy to keep them going.126 out of 187 cars are Mk1 or 2 Escorts.
I do fo course get it. I'd still offer discounted entry to anyone not in another Escort.
Just not sure whether it’s the same in, say, Italy, for a 131 or an Alfetta GTV or in France for a Renault 5 or Alpine 110 or in Germany for a BMW 2002 or Golf GTi.
andy97 said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!
Yes, me, but I am one of those trying to talk up change.I was one who challenged your statements about it being wrong that there was no classes for a low spec Escort with a 'If you want a championship like that, get on and organise one'. To your credit, you did! Well done.
There is a difference between wanting something different and doing something about it and thinking something should be different but not being involved in the sport at all. And no, LukeBrown66, I actually don't mean you here.
LastPoster said:
andy97 said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol Arnage, I think some of them are on here too!
Yes, me, but I am one of those trying to talk up change.I was one who challenged your statements about it being wrong that there was no classes for a low spec Escort with a 'If you want a championship like that, get on and organise one'. To your credit, you did! Well done.
There is a difference between wanting something different and doing something about it and thinking something should be different but not being involved in the sport at all. And no, LukeBrown66, I actually don't mean you here.
Anyway, it’s moving ahead slowly within the AWMMC Heart of England rally championship, and I am backing it with a very small amount of my own money.
It’s a pity the Roger Albert Clark rally doesn't have a class for such “club classic” cars, but does allow modern cars to run in their own classes (Not that I could afford to enter it, or have he talent for it). A “club classic” class would actually be in keeping with the original events which always attracted lots of club level competitors.
I am also supportive of the AWMMC’s new class for post year 2000 2wd <1600cc forced induction cars, which should provide a platform for more modern cars to compete against each other without necessarily breaking the bank, and I do think that encouraging more modern cars in to the sport is vital.
Edited by andy97 on Thursday 6th April 11:03
The thing with the RAC is that they are often over subbed with entries (at 5 grand a pop ffs), so in reality they probably have to be careful about what they do allow.
I have for years said it would be a good idea to have either a separate rally or a Spectator day as we used to have and for that you get certain cars that only do that, either before or after the main cars that would leave it open for whoever to try and get some bigger names, some interesting cars and do a proper Lombard thing, rather than these sort of rally track day Lombard things that currently abound. My only beef is that as wit was back the, retiring on a mickey mouse stage is ever fun as they are never easy!
if you had a few stages at say Weston, Donington maybe, Oulton, Trentham, Chatsworth, I know it would be a real throwback to halycon days and I do think the RAC misses a trick by not embracing the Continental hugely popular classic events like the ones in Germany, Italy and perhaps now Spain.
I have for years said it would be a good idea to have either a separate rally or a Spectator day as we used to have and for that you get certain cars that only do that, either before or after the main cars that would leave it open for whoever to try and get some bigger names, some interesting cars and do a proper Lombard thing, rather than these sort of rally track day Lombard things that currently abound. My only beef is that as wit was back the, retiring on a mickey mouse stage is ever fun as they are never easy!
if you had a few stages at say Weston, Donington maybe, Oulton, Trentham, Chatsworth, I know it would be a real throwback to halycon days and I do think the RAC misses a trick by not embracing the Continental hugely popular classic events like the ones in Germany, Italy and perhaps now Spain.
andy97 said:
Not just about “low spec Escorts” but about older cars in age related spec and OEM engines (but not necessarily homologated historic spec), a bit like a lot of club level classic racing in the U.K.
Apologies if you thought that was an insult, it wasn't meant that way. The 'arms race' of the non historic Mk2 does mean though that the cars you are encouraging are low (perhaps 'lower' is better) spec. The highest I ever got to was 2.0 16v on carbs and clockwork ignition for 242 bhp, a Quaife 5 speed and Atlas axle. Would be outclassed now, but a winning car in class C in 1990-95. Mine was in a Sunbeam not an Escort though. LastPoster said:
It's interesting that the majority used to moan about the Sunday stages, 'Mickey Mouse' 'Rally starts on Monday etc'. Now it seems it was a good idea and should be brought back as 'rallying hides away in the woods'
the drivers used to moan about them, not sure the speccies did.The issue with the modern RAC is that at the moment it is very much a purist event. It is popular yes but not Network Q McRae era RAC popular so it is far easier to manage from the organisers point of view, you will find maybe a few hundred cars parked on most stages other than the very popular ones. RAC era was a nightmare.
But, a speccy day is a good way to garner interest and be able to deal with crowds a lot easier, by almost palming it off onto a stately home and helping them out.
Problem with them is, at that time of year they are far from easy as many found out back in the day and for 5 grand entry for an all amateur event, it is a heart braking way to exit a rally before even getting into the proper rally. And that was always the case.
But, a speccy day is a good way to garner interest and be able to deal with crowds a lot easier, by almost palming it off onto a stately home and helping them out.
Problem with them is, at that time of year they are far from easy as many found out back in the day and for 5 grand entry for an all amateur event, it is a heart braking way to exit a rally before even getting into the proper rally. And that was always the case.
LastPoster said:
andy97 said:
Not just about “low spec Escorts” but about older cars in age related spec and OEM engines (but not necessarily homologated historic spec), a bit like a lot of club level classic racing in the U.K.
Apologies if you thought that was an insult, it wasn't meant that way. The 'arms race' of the non historic Mk2 does mean though that the cars you are encouraging are low (perhaps 'lower' is better) spec. The highest I ever got to was 2.0 16v on carbs and clockwork ignition for 242 bhp, a Quaife 5 speed and Atlas axle. Would be outclassed now, but a winning car in class C in 1990-95. Mine was in a Sunbeam not an Escort though. Agree that cars like mine are lower spec - H-pattern box, OEM Pinto and no 3 way adjustable dampers - but they were probably a decent club level spec “back in the day”! Mine is 5-linked, tubbed, disc brakes all round, power steering etc, and I genuinely think that there are quite a few cars like this around, but just not being used because owners don’t really have the incentive to enter in the same class as a 2 litre Duratec, sequential box car.
It is a problem when you can now easily spend 150 grand on a Mk2, and quite a lot of people (and they all seem to be from the same mould) do. What happens to the old stuff. The stuff you saw routinely at clubbies in the 80's and 90's getting top 20 results, winning classes etc.
It has always been this way, a friend used a Mk2 for a bit and got fed up trying to beat 16v cars in the big class, so bored it out to 2.1 and was top three in his class every rally getting roughly the same results
Being brutally honest it is your choice to rally that car, among cars that are considerably more expensive, it's like complaining about wages in a job when you knew they were low before you started. If you are not bothered about results and simply want to rally, improve, why worry. If you want better results sounds like you might need to get your wallet out as everyone else does!
It has always been this way, a friend used a Mk2 for a bit and got fed up trying to beat 16v cars in the big class, so bored it out to 2.1 and was top three in his class every rally getting roughly the same results
Being brutally honest it is your choice to rally that car, among cars that are considerably more expensive, it's like complaining about wages in a job when you knew they were low before you started. If you are not bothered about results and simply want to rally, improve, why worry. If you want better results sounds like you might need to get your wallet out as everyone else does!
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