Bikes now banned in the Pyrenees
Discussion
The continuation of a worrying trend.
https://www.rideapart.com/news/659272/high-pyrenee...
Due to the noise emissions accompanying that two-wheeled tourism, not all Pyrenees communities appreciate the additional patronage, though. One such sector is Spain’s Natural Park of the High Pyrenees, and the Park has banned all internal combustion “motorcycles, quads, ATVs, and non-electric buggies all year round for noise protection reasons.”
The biking community really does only have itself to blame even though it's generally a small minority spoiling it for everyone.
Loud pipes wreck lives!
https://www.rideapart.com/news/659272/high-pyrenee...
Due to the noise emissions accompanying that two-wheeled tourism, not all Pyrenees communities appreciate the additional patronage, though. One such sector is Spain’s Natural Park of the High Pyrenees, and the Park has banned all internal combustion “motorcycles, quads, ATVs, and non-electric buggies all year round for noise protection reasons.”
The biking community really does only have itself to blame even though it's generally a small minority spoiling it for everyone.
Loud pipes wreck lives!
trickywoo said:
You could still rip through on an electric bike.
While there are good options, they are not good enough to replace combustion bikes as long range tourers - which are very popular in the Pyrenees.I understand that Park Administration has promoted the installation of electric vehicle charging points near and around the region. means that there are not enough charging opportunities as of today.
We've had a ban by the local council on a popular mountain last year on one weekend each month during the biking season.
The ban was due to noise created, and had technical checks of loud bikes at the side of the road in the year before - fining all bikers that did not comply to noise limits. There is no statistic how many were fined.
Since councils are limited for what reasons they can ban modes of transport, they cited something like accident research. Naturally, they also banned electric motorbikes.
Both your thread title and the article you've linked to have a strong whiff of click bait.
If you look at the actual extent of Spain's Natural Park of The High Pyrenees (which I'm sure you've done, right?) you'll see that something a bit less attention grabbing, like "bikes banned from a tiny part of the Pryenees, but the vast vast majority of all Pyreneen routes completely unaffected" would be closer to the mark.
I don't disagree with your fundamental point though, that a lack of consideration for other people (or the perception of that) can lead to unintended consequences for more considerate enthusiasts tarred by the same brush.
If you look at the actual extent of Spain's Natural Park of The High Pyrenees (which I'm sure you've done, right?) you'll see that something a bit less attention grabbing, like "bikes banned from a tiny part of the Pryenees, but the vast vast majority of all Pyreneen routes completely unaffected" would be closer to the mark.
I don't disagree with your fundamental point though, that a lack of consideration for other people (or the perception of that) can lead to unintended consequences for more considerate enthusiasts tarred by the same brush.
Fullook said:
Both your thread title and the article you've linked to have a strong whiff of click bait.
If you look at the actual extent of Spain's Natural Park of The High Pyrenees (which I'm sure you've done, right?) you'll see that something a bit less attention grabbing, like "bikes banned from a tiny part of the Pryenees, but the vast vast majority of all Pyreneen routes completely unaffected" would be closer to the mark.
I don't disagree with your fundamental point though, that a lack of consideration for other people (or the perception of that) can lead to unintended consequences for more considerate enthusiasts tarred by the same brush.
We could easily argue semantics as the thread title is "in the Pyrenees" not "from the Pyrenees", but it's the principle that is important. There have already been bans in parts of the Alps and in parts of Germany. This is a trend that will destroy the things that many of us love. We really should be making those with loud pipes feel very uncomfortable because they are responsible. Inconsiderate selfish dick heads!If you look at the actual extent of Spain's Natural Park of The High Pyrenees (which I'm sure you've done, right?) you'll see that something a bit less attention grabbing, like "bikes banned from a tiny part of the Pryenees, but the vast vast majority of all Pyreneen routes completely unaffected" would be closer to the mark.
I don't disagree with your fundamental point though, that a lack of consideration for other people (or the perception of that) can lead to unintended consequences for more considerate enthusiasts tarred by the same brush.
Any one actually found a link to the ban ?
There are a lot of recent "news" but nothing that links to the original statement , everything circle back to the interest group - so is this just a pre-emptive press release
Alt Pirineu Natural Park - is mentioned in August on the Moto de Campo site ... and an lot of the words in the article appear to come from that site.. but that is describing a draft proposal for a small area that bans certain db levels at various times whilst a study is undertaken ( at this point my Spanish fails me and google translate is no better )
There are a lot of recent "news" but nothing that links to the original statement , everything circle back to the interest group - so is this just a pre-emptive press release
Alt Pirineu Natural Park - is mentioned in August on the Moto de Campo site ... and an lot of the words in the article appear to come from that site.. but that is describing a draft proposal for a small area that bans certain db levels at various times whilst a study is undertaken ( at this point my Spanish fails me and google translate is no better )
Gee68 said:
I hate loud pipes,I live next to a main road,they’re not big,they’re not clever and they piss ordinary non bikers off,what’s the point?
It depends how loud IMOSome are extreme I agree but the noise of a bike / car add greatly to my enjoyment, it's one of the reasons I have no interest in electric vehicles
KTMsm said:
It depends how loud IMO
Some are extreme I agree but the noise of a bike / car add greatly to my enjoyment, it's one of the reasons I have no interest in electric vehicles
Dare I say, that's the point! I'm not saying your pipes are loud but too many bikers think only of their own enjoyment, ignoring the fact that loud pipes are NOT enjoyed by others and that the end result is that all bikers suffer? Some are extreme I agree but the noise of a bike / car add greatly to my enjoyment, it's one of the reasons I have no interest in electric vehicles
black-k1 said:
Dare I say, that's the point! I'm not saying your pipes are loud but too many bikers think only of their own enjoyment, ignoring the fact that loud pipes are NOT enjoyed by others and that the end result is that all bikers suffer?
Not really, many bikes are loud as standard - my 990SM is much louder than most modern bikes as standardIf the choice is keeping an older, louder bike or buying a newer near silent one, I'll stick with the older bike
Following your logic we should be silencing old bikes to modern standards as it will annoy less people
Overtaking cars annoys many too - maybe we should stop doing that as well
KTMsm said:
Not really, many bikes are loud as standard - my 990SM is much louder than most modern bikes as standard
If the choice is keeping an older, louder bike or buying a newer near silent one, I'll stick with the older bike
Following your logic we should be silencing old bikes to modern standards as it will annoy less people
Overtaking cars annoys many too - maybe we should stop doing that as well
They do on race tracks. We've stopped even trying to take one of our old race bikes on track in the UK now.If the choice is keeping an older, louder bike or buying a newer near silent one, I'll stick with the older bike
Following your logic we should be silencing old bikes to modern standards as it will annoy less people
Overtaking cars annoys many too - maybe we should stop doing that as well
Independent from the situation in the Pyrenees or homologation limits for noise with motorcycles - law- or rulemakers will react to the concerns of their voters. Be it by changing noise limits, enforcing them more actively or imposing bans; the latter will likely hit bikers that never caused any nuisance.
I live close to a local shopping street where people love to stroll around, sit outside in a cafe bar, do window shopping...
The amount of attention sought with loud revving cars and bikes on that street is unreal. Not that anyone would recognize the village idiots that are hidden under the helmets. Police now frequently stopping cars and bikes and fining them for excessive revving. Conversion into a pedestrian zone is gaining more acceptance within the last decade.
Same goes for people living close to popular biking roads - sitting outside on days with nice weather will likely be disrupted by a couple of loud bikes, and not by the fact that many bikes use the roads. These roads have ever growing full or temporary bans, or 50km/h speed limits for motorbikes. This is only going one direction, and bikers should be concerned.
I live close to a local shopping street where people love to stroll around, sit outside in a cafe bar, do window shopping...
The amount of attention sought with loud revving cars and bikes on that street is unreal. Not that anyone would recognize the village idiots that are hidden under the helmets. Police now frequently stopping cars and bikes and fining them for excessive revving. Conversion into a pedestrian zone is gaining more acceptance within the last decade.
Same goes for people living close to popular biking roads - sitting outside on days with nice weather will likely be disrupted by a couple of loud bikes, and not by the fact that many bikes use the roads. These roads have ever growing full or temporary bans, or 50km/h speed limits for motorbikes. This is only going one direction, and bikers should be concerned.
KTMsm said:
Not really, many bikes are loud as standard - my 990SM is much louder than most modern bikes as standard
If the choice is keeping an older, louder bike or buying a newer near silent one, I'll stick with the older bike
Following your logic we should be silencing old bikes to modern standards as it will annoy less people
Overtaking cars annoys many too - maybe we should stop doing that as well
You are making my point beautifully! If the choice is keeping an older, louder bike or buying a newer near silent one, I'll stick with the older bike
Following your logic we should be silencing old bikes to modern standards as it will annoy less people
Overtaking cars annoys many too - maybe we should stop doing that as well
The fact your bike was louder when new doesn't stop it upsetting people. They don't care if it's old or new, it's just loud.The question is are you happy with the real world consequences on other bikers because your older bike is loud?
black-k1 said:
You are making my point beautifully! The fact your bike was louder when new doesn't stop it upsetting people. They don't care if it's old or new, it's just loud.
The question is are you happy with the real world consequences on other bikers because your older bike is loud?
Yes The fact your bike was louder when new doesn't stop it upsetting people. They don't care if it's old or new, it's just loud.The question is are you happy with the real world consequences on other bikers because your older bike is loud?
Otherwise we end up in the never ending, downward spiral of micro aggressions and pro nouns
I don't like slow drivers, buses, lorries or fat people - can we ban them ?
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