Let's see your Seikos!
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phil_cardiff said:
Looks lovely. Where could I get one from if I do decide to go for another diver (have seen a nice Solar with blue bezel and face too).
Welshbeef said:
How much are they?plus how do they compare to a TAG and Omega?
See below for potential purchase infohttp://www.creationwatches.com/products/seiko-japa...
Substantially better value for money IMHO than a new TAG or Omega & a less common choice.
andy tims said:
phil_cardiff said:
Looks lovely. Where could I get one from if I do decide to go for another diver (have seen a nice Solar with blue bezel and face too).
Welshbeef said:
How much are they?plus how do they compare to a TAG and Omega?
See below for potential purchase infohttp://www.creationwatches.com/products/seiko-japa...
Substantially better value for money IMHO than a new TAG or Omega & a less common choice.
.Have the need for the Pepsi bezel diver. Want it on a rubber strap, but quite happy to have any old strap attached and will swap it over when the watch arrives.
2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
baptistsan said:
Have the need for the Pepsi bezel diver. Want it on a rubber strap, but quite happy to have any old strap attached and will swap it over when the watch arrives.
2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
K is manufactured in Korea.2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
J is manufactured in Japan.
In theory the Japanese ones are better build quality but not sure its really that much different
After unsuccessfully and half-heartedly trying to sell my SNZF17 on here afywr getting annoyed that it loses about 5 mins every 3 days or so I've sent it off for a service and to be put on a rubber strap. This will cost me almost as much as a new one.
Of course, whilst it's away I'll need a watch so I bought a SNZH53J1 as I loved the blue colour.
I also have a cheap 5 with a white face that I'd like to put a leather strap on but it has unusually narrow lugs that are approximately half the width of the actual strap. Odd.
Of course, whilst it's away I'll need a watch so I bought a SNZH53J1 as I loved the blue colour.
I also have a cheap 5 with a white face that I'd like to put a leather strap on but it has unusually narrow lugs that are approximately half the width of the actual strap. Odd.
lostkiwi said:
baptistsan said:
Have the need for the Pepsi bezel diver. Want it on a rubber strap, but quite happy to have any old strap attached and will swap it over when the watch arrives.
2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
K is manufactured in Korea.2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
J is manufactured in Japan.
In theory the Japanese ones are better build quality but not sure its really that much different
Resale values will be a bit stronger on a J watch, and a J will have something of a higher cachet among Seiko nerds, but apart from that…
Me? I went for a K.
TheJimi said:
lostkiwi said:
baptistsan said:
Have the need for the Pepsi bezel diver. Want it on a rubber strap, but quite happy to have any old strap attached and will swap it over when the watch arrives.
2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
K is manufactured in Korea.2 questions: Is there really any difference between the K vs the J? Or is it just an internet snobbery thing that the J is better?
What difference/s are there between a LS6/8/10? Have looked at the Creation Watches website and am either being very dim or there is none.
Input appreciated!
J is manufactured in Japan.
In theory the Japanese ones are better build quality but not sure its really that much different
Resale values will be a bit stronger on a J watch, and a J will have something of a higher cachet among Seiko nerds, but apart from that…
Me? I went for a K.
I remember when this issue first raised it's head on various forums and it was predicted then that it would become an artificial bit of snobbery with no reason behind it.
having watched a video from TGV on The Urban Gentry YT channel there does actually appear to be quite a difference in finishing and colours when you get the J and the K (skx007/9) side by side surprisingly. Not side by side I'd wager not many people could point out the differences but next to each other is quite marked.
Can't link it atm but should be able to find it easily enough as that's the subject matter of that vid
I went for the J and am happy I did - because I'm a little snobbish
Can't link it atm but should be able to find it easily enough as that's the subject matter of that vid
I went for the J and am happy I did - because I'm a little snobbish
squareflops said:
having watched a video from TGV on The Urban Gentry YT channel there does actually appear to be quite a difference in finishing and colours when you get the J and the K (skx007/9) side by side surprisingly. Not side by side I'd wager not many people could point out the differences but next to each other is quite marked.
There's an interesting comment under that YouTube video, which I've pasted below - - ****
The Japanese are absolutely incredible at removing variation in their manufacturing processes and operations, to a degree that is pretty much unmatched by anyone else. The fact of the matter is, if you take a very robust and well-characterized manufacturing process, and transport it somewhere else, using the same process, parts, and materials manufactured at the same tolerances, and using operators with the same assembly proficiency, there will be no difference in the product quality.
Quality is a result of HOW you do things, not WHERE you do them. Additionally, it's important to understand that there are no two parts made by anyone that are EXACTLY the same; if you had precise enough measurement systems, you would be able to measure some difference in the parts. The important thing is whether there is any PRACTICAL difference due to this variation, and this again is where the Japanese are legendary for their ability to produce products with very little variation.
But, there will always be some variation in any manufacturing process, no matter how good it is, and this is why there are "tolerances" that are established for manufacturing to accomodate for this routine variation (also called common cause variation). From your review, I would say that any differences you detected between the J and K models are very small difference that were within the tolerance limits for the manufacturing process, and that these differences have no practical impact on performance or product quality.
Also, to be fair, comparing an N of 1 of each is not a statistically valid sampling for this purpose, but it made for an interesting video anyway. With respect to your original purpose, which model to use for modding, I would use the K version as it is for all practical purposes identical to the Japanese made model, but cheaper, so you will get the same quality for a lower cost, which will lower the cost of your BOM (Bill of Materials).
- ****
For me a large amount of the pleasure in owning and wearing a watch from an iconic Japanese brand is that it is in fact made in Japan.
Looking down at the dial and seeing ‘made in Japan’ makes me smile just as much as seeing ‘Swiss made’ on my more expensive watches, hence I’m only buy J models.
As per the post above I’m sure there no difference in quality between J and K models though.
Looking down at the dial and seeing ‘made in Japan’ makes me smile just as much as seeing ‘Swiss made’ on my more expensive watches, hence I’m only buy J models.
As per the post above I’m sure there no difference in quality between J and K models though.
BaronVonVaderham said:
For me a large amount of the pleasure in owning and wearing a watch from an iconic Japanese brand is that it is in fact made in Japan.
Yeah, I totally *get* that 
I'll probably get a 009J myself to go with my 007K but it would purely be for the same reason as you've given.
I'd be under no illusions that it's an inherently better quality watch.
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