My dead Breitling - advice pls.

My dead Breitling - advice pls.

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Ken Figenus

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117 months

Monday 26th October 2015
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I got a grand after my granddad so bought a watch to remember him. This was quite a few years ago as those watches are £2,5k now! Anyway it filled full of water in a pool despite only ever using a Breitling dealer to replace battery - should have had the 'O' rings changed too I learnt for £600. Great! Watch fixed and back in working order. Then next month the clasp broke and it fell on Greek floor tiles... They wanted over £800 so I wrote it off.



I now thought I'd treat myself to a new Breitling at Xmas. However a quick Google revealed I just cant see where the value is compared to my solar titanium Citizen chronograph for £300.

So! Does anyone know anyone who can fix watches that are better value than the main stealers? Someone said that a Tissot caliber will fit in it...? If not does it have any value left in it to anyone in the watch world?

Thanks for any advice as I am a bit gutted but I must have enjoyed it for over 10 years.

Edited by Ken Figenus on Tuesday 27th October 09:13

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

247 months

Monday 26th October 2015
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Your house insurance. New for old. That's what it's for. You dropped it, it broke. Claim.

Variomatic

2,392 posts

161 months

Monday 26th October 2015
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Unfortunately you're pretty well stuffed as far as non-authorised repairers go thanks to the broken LCD screens. Breitling have never supplied parts like that and the base ETA 988 versions (which could be use as parts donors for your movement) are now restricted as well.

Next time, don't buy Swatch because those £800 repair quotes are only going to get higher as these restrictions bite more.

Citizen are good and happy to supply parts wink

Ken Figenus

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117 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Thanks guys. The only thing that puts me off a Citizen again is that the glass scratches so much. Maybe I'll stick to socks and slippers for Xmas wink

MrTickle

1,825 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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I have an identical Breitling to that with box and papers in my collection.

I don't wear it anymore and it is excellent condition with just some of the gold plate worn on one side of the strap (pretty normal as you will know).

I would sell you that for £800 if it helps.

mikeveal

4,570 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Mike!

I could buy that ETA 988.432 from Denmark and it would fit my Breitling? I'm sure any jeweller could fit it for me too?

A glimmer of hope! Thanks

mikeveal

4,570 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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I don't know for sure. Try asking Variomatic.
But Variomatic says that your watch has an ETA 988 and that's an ETA 988, so...

I can't tell for sure if that one has an LCD. I thought they all did, but it isn't obvious in the photo. Nor I can tell you whether or not it works.

The Tissot should have the same movement as your watch. But the same caveats apply. Variomatic is a watchmaker, ask him for an opinion. He'll know a damn sight more than I do.


ETA - Get the back off your watch and have a look. The movement number will be in there ETA 988 - ??? . I have no idea what the variants are, but knowing exactly what you've got is going to help.

Edited by mikeveal on Tuesday 27th October 15:26

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Thanks Mike - really appreciate this help. Got the back off but cant see the xxx.xxx model number?






mikeveal

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250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Its an ETA E10.351.
I do not know what features / sizes / spec.s this does or does not share with the ETA 988. I'll see what I can find for you.

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Found this useful info on my travels:

Caliber: B75 ETA E10.351 movement. Can be used for Breitling, Certina or Bell and Ross watches

mikeveal

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250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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http://breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=...

Looks like they are differences.

Your movement E10.391 Size 9 3/4x 11 1/2
Raw movement on Ebay 988.432 Size 9 3/4 x 11 1/2
As fitted to the Tissot on ebay 988.332 Size 9 3/4x11

The 988.432 is the exact size, but it looks like the LCD characters are in the wrong place. Take a look at the exploded diagram in the link above.

The 988.332 is very slightly different in size.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~fotoplot/tech/wmms.ht...
Size 11 is 24.814mm and 11 1/2 is 25.942mm , so the movment fitted to the Tissot is fractionally smaller than the movement in your watch.
Nor do I know if the LCD numerals will line up.

Ideally you want to get a complete E10.351. You now know that Bell and Ross and Certina used this movement. You're not going to find a cheap B&R.

Failing that, the 988.332 might go in with a bit of bodging. There's 1.13mm of slop and you don't know if the LCDs will line up.

Gamble on a 988.332 or source a second hand E10.351. Your choice.

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Thanks so much for that fab bit of research. I followed your lead and found the ETA actual movement manufacturer site - its only half a Breitling the rest is owned by Swatch!!!

https://secure.eta.ch/CSP/DefaultDesktop.aspx?tabi...

They cunningly don't list the E10 351 to protect Breitlings huge mark up I guess - but I went through all the 988 variants and found that the 988.333 is pretty similar - the alignment of the LCD looks a lot better.

Its NOT exactly the same though:


I don't know if I could take a punt on that or find a jeweller willing to order and try?

Close - so closewobble

mikeveal

4,570 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Or just keep an eye on ebay for the correct movement. Set up a search and get it to email you when one pops up.

You're welcome. I was bored, and given your description of why the watch is a sentimental thing, its important to get it sorted.

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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I have a feeling they fitted a more recent possibly thermocompensated movement after the flood damage, so it isnt on its original early 2000 movement. It has a black lump top middle...

In looking to order 500 units here (LOL) https://shopb2b.eta.ch/quartz-line/988-333.html the only real variable 'option' for the 988.333 seems to be hand height...

I think I'll bide my time on ebay as that movement is in Bell and Ropss, Certina and Victorinox (https://www.klepsoo.com/en/watches/victorinox/chrono-classic/chrono-classic-xls-mt/241300.html/?ifrom=GB&landing_g=1&gclid=CjwKEAjwwbyxBRCS74T049iEp0wSJACkO5v1WgMQSJixtAXR_6L5Hgbj8utqwtfXxWyFueBPp8N1wBoCbofw_wcB )

Thanks again smile


Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Sorry Mike - I 'll tick toc away soon :-) Did you have a typo in your search on Boley site? Its a E10 351 not an E10 391 - or are they the same? Cheers.

mikeveal

4,570 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Typo.
Oops.
<sorry>

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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I cant get any data on that E10.351, would you do me a big favour and post what you found from that same site Mike but with the right model number pls mate (I don't have a login)? This as I have found a 988.333 for £300 which means I may be in business - if they are the same.

(and here's a super resource for the ETA calibers comparison http://www.mechanikus.hu/cal_ETA_directory.htm)

Thx

Variomatic

2,392 posts

161 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Thanks Mike - do you want a job? :P

Surprised to see an E10 series in that, thought they were quite a bit more recent. Then again, as you say they may well have "upgraded" when it went back last time. The good news with the E10 is that parts aren't obsolete for it, the bad news is that they still won't sell them to anyone - even the service manual isn't available as it is for most of the older stuff frown

I've never had the two side by side but, looking at the parts that are listed that E10 and the 988.331 share quite a lot but with some curious differences - like same gear train (which usually means the same front plate) but a different stem, which usually means different setting work. But the setting switches appear to be the same visually. the 988.432 is the same base but with an altered shape (which wouldn't fit as a direct replacement) and unlikely to use the same LCD panel because of its curved sides.

Of course, the critical thing is the LCD panel. If that's the same then you should be able to either use a 988.331 or swap the panel from one to your (probably ok otherwise) E10

Ken Figenus

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Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Thanks for your advice Vario!

I can buy a ETA 988.333 for $200 (http://www.allwatchparts.com/ETA-988333-Watch-Movement-_p_3054.html) but, although it looks very similar to what is in it now (rather than the older and maybe initially fitted 988.331?) its a bit risky. However if we could swop the LCD panels too that would be plan B! Might this work even though you suggest the older 988.331?

I did find the one you suggest for £200 http://tissot-ru.com/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B... but I could lose my pants wink

I have electronics qualifications but that sounds like a very tricky job once I get the parts! Do know watch repairers that would take the project on - especially if I import/source the caliber?

I also need a new titanium spring loaded clasp and that seems impossible to find too - sheesh!

Cheers