A year with "my first Rolex"

A year with "my first Rolex"

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AstonZagato

12,649 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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V6Pushfit said:
AstonZagato said:
V6Pushfit said:
AstonZagato said:
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.
Aston Martin owners tells us he owns one rofl

Then says Porsche 911's are owned by know-nothing cocks with no knowledge or imagination

Say default Rolexes owners are also cocks

..and repeats it annually

rofl

Except I didn't say any of that. But good work otherwise.
Apologies Mr Trump I didnt know you were on here
"I don’t need anybody’s Rolexes. It’s nice. I don’t need anybody’s Rolexes. I’m using my own Rolexes. And by the way, I’m not even saying that in a braggadocios … that’s the kind of thinking you need for this country. And my Rolexes are the best. Really, really great Rolexes."

Nigel_O

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2,858 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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DickyC said:
I'm looking forward to Nigel_O's Two years with "my second Rolex."
Not going to happen any time soon....

However, if my numbers come up this week, I really fancy a rose gold Yachtmaster on an Everflex bracelet. This would surely polarise opinion even more than the Sub

Ah- I forgot an update....

My youngest son is also into his watches and last year bought a no-date Sub identical to mine. He's now looking for a Hulk, but that's another story. While he was at our house one weekend, he commented to his mother that his Rolex was "just like Dad's...". This was the first that Wifey knew about the watch that had been on my wrist for over two years at this point.

Her response was surprising - she just said "oh, you have one too?" and left it at that. Man-logic is taking that as approval for the Yachtmaster.

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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gregs656 said:
Countdown said:
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile
Except of course it is perfectly possible to think owning a counterfeit of something you don't actually own your self is a bit sad. I don't own a Ferrari for example people who put body kits and Ferrari badges on MR2s? It's just a bit sad.
I can kind of see where you're coming from, although if the replica MR2 Ferrari was quite well executed I think I'd admire the workmanship. Whereas somebody showing off a fake rolex purely on the grounds of impressing others would be "sad". But then, having said that, somebody wearing a genuine Rolex in order to impress others I would also consider "sad".

I guess what I'm trying to say (in a somewhat convoluted way) is that wearing or owning something, be it fake or genuine, is "sad". Equally thinking you're better than a person who has a fake Rolex/Ferrari or envying a person who has a genuine Rolex/Ferrari is also "sad".

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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El stovey said:
If someone is boasting, I dislike it. It’s not because I’m jealous but it’s because I find it an unattractive trait like being tight or being selfish.

It’s behaviour that seeks to manipulate other people and to elevate themselves above others and simply make others feel bad about themselves, that makes them a bit of a fanny,
Isn't it insecurity on the part of those being manipulated or those who feel bad? Maybe it's just me but if I saw somebody wearing a Rolex I'd think "that's nice" and leave it there. If, OTOH, I start simmering with jealousy or resentment surely that's down to me??

Just as it's possible to wear a genuine Rolex for reasons other than showing off / boasting, is it not possible to wear a fake Rolex for the same reason e.g. because it looks nice?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Countdown said:
El stovey said:
If someone is boasting, I dislike it. It’s not because I’m jealous but it’s because I find it an unattractive trait like being tight or being selfish.

It’s behaviour that seeks to manipulate other people and to elevate themselves above others and simply make others feel bad about themselves, that makes them a bit of a fanny,
Isn't it insecurity on the part of those being manipulated or those who feel bad? Maybe it's just me but if I saw somebody wearing a Rolex I'd think "that's nice" and leave it there. If, OTOH, I start simmering with jealousy or resentment surely that's down to me??

Just as it's possible to wear a genuine Rolex for reasons other than showing off / boasting, is it not possible to wear a fake Rolex for the same reason e.g. because it looks nice?
Someone owning a Rolex doesn’t make me feel bad in any way at all, I expect most people on here could afford one if that was a high enough priority for them.

Someone obviously showing off, may make me think they’re a dick. Not because I or anyone else feels bad but due to the intention of the person showing off.

So if I see someone showing off I might think they’re a bit of a dick, it doesn’t mean in any way I’m jealous or resent them owning a watch of any kind,

I couldn’t care less if someone wears a Rolex (other than an interest in watches) or a fake Rolex or not,

My point is that being annoyed by someone’s attitude or their behaviour isn’t simply due to jealousy. If you were showing off about your new dog or drill or painting or your child’s school report, the result might be that you annoy fellow human beings. It’s unlikely it would be in any way due to jealousy.

OGR4M

845 posts

152 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Nigel_O said:
identical to mine....
Apart from the inexpicable difference in unseen parts of the clasp mechanism...

Oh, and the fact that mine’s 2 years newer whistle

Nigel_O

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2,858 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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OGR4M said:
Oh, and the fact that mine’s 2 years newer whistle
...and cost 30% more....

Jules360

1,949 posts

201 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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Someone wearing a genuine Rolex will likely have bought it either -

1. Because they think it will impress people
2. Because they appreciate the quality / craftmanship

So a 50% chance of them being a cock

Someone wearing a fake can only have bought it for reason 1, so 100% probability.

InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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Jules360 said:
Someone wearing a genuine Rolex will likely have bought it either -

1. Because they think it will impress people
2. Because they appreciate the quality / craftmanship
3. Because they inherited it from a family/friend and it holds sentimental value

So a 50%33.3% chance of them being a cock.

Someone wearing a fake can only have bought it for reason 1, so 100% probability.
Now, I accept that this post is likely to have been tongue in cheek, but it is unbelievably short-sighted and very poorly thought out.

[Yipper mode] Research shows that 50% of people who don't wear a Rolex are cocks. [/Yipper mode]



Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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Jules360 said:
Someone wearing a genuine Rolex will likely have bought it either -

1. Because they think it will impress people
2. Because they appreciate the quality / craftmanship

So a 50% chance of them being a cock

Someone wearing a fake can only have bought it for reason 1, so 100% probability.
Could they not have bought a fake because it looks nice?

ETA As i mentioned earlier I'd happily buy one just because it looks nice (actually I think other watches look nicer but you get my meaning). Wrt impressing people my current watch is one of these although I paid roughly half that price biggrin

When you get to my age you start caring less about impressing other people and doing more of whatever you feel like.

Edited by Countdown on Thursday 18th January 12:34

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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InductionRoar said:
Jules360 said:
Someone wearing a genuine Rolex will likely have bought it either -

1. Because they think it will impress people
2. Because they appreciate the quality / craftmanship
3. Because they inherited it from a family/friend and it holds sentimental value
4. Because they just wanted to spend 100 times more for something that tells the time/looks identical to a fake

So a 50%33.3% chance of them being a cock.

Someone wearing a fake can [i]may[/-] have bought it for reason 1
Someone buying for reasons 1 and 4 is an ahole

Now, I accept that this post is likely to have been tongue in cheek, but it is unbelievably short-sighted and very poorly thought out.

[Yipper mode] Research shows that 50% of people who don't wear a Rolex are cocks. [/Yipper mode]
Research also shows that 100% of people with genuine Rolex'e are happy, which astonishingly is the same number with fake who are happy. However dissemination shows that 90% of genuine owners become unhappy when put into a group with fakes. Weird.

InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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V6Pushfit said:
InductionRoar said:
Jules360 said:
Someone wearing a genuine Rolex will likely have bought it either -

1. Because they think it will impress people
2. Because they appreciate the quality / craftmanship
3. Because they inherited it from a family/friend and it holds sentimental value
4. Because they just wanted to spend 100 times more for something that tells the time/looks identical to a fake

So a 50%33.3% chance of them being a cock.

Someone wearing a fake can [i]may[/-] have bought it for reason 1
Someone buying for reasons 1 and 4 is an ahole

Now, I accept that this post is likely to have been tongue in cheek, but it is unbelievably short-sighted and very poorly thought out.

[Yipper mode] Research shows that 50% of people who don't wear a Rolex are cocks. [/Yipper mode]
Research also shows that 100% of people with genuine Rolex'e are happy, which astonishingly is the same number with fake who are happy. However dissemination shows that 90% of genuine owners become unhappy when put into a group with fakes. Weird.
I own neither a Rolex nor a fake - I'm just here for the inane trolling banter. hehe


Dinoboy

2,494 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th January 2018
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My wife fairly often wears the Datejust our 16 year old son brought her back as a gift from a school trip to China smile I think he said it was about 8 quid.
The only person she cares about seeing her wear it is him.

scoopdydoo

386 posts

88 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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I don't think you can pigeonhole owners of a genuine Rolex as easily as you might owners of a fake. Like all watches, people have them for far more wide ranging reasons than people who own a fake might.

I can never understand a fake anything, even the fake LV bags and Gucci belt every wannabe has on the high street. And the silly reasons people give for owning a fake. If it looks like a real one from 3 feet away and you're happy with that, the only explanation is that you want to fool people 3 feet away into thinking you have a Rolex.

Design, price, fear of damage, marketing, sticking it to the big companies (but ironically at the same time funding a large crime world), worrying about being mugged (but again ironically making yourself a target for crime by wearing a convincing fake) are all entirely made up to hide the fact you either can't afford a real one, or are a cheapskate. Plenty of lovely watches at a lower price point do as good a job of telling the time and looking nice on your wrist.

As a side note for all fake watch wearers, I am offering 3 Michelin star dining from my flat, The Flat Duck. All recipes are from The Fat Duck, cooked by me, but I'll only charge you £20 a head. I printed the stars on my computer at work and used Pritt-Stick to put them on the wall. But at least you can tell people you eat at 3 Michelin Star restaurants.

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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scoopdydoo said:
I can never understand a fake anything, even the fake LV bags and Gucci belt every wannabe has on the high street. And the silly reasons people give for owning a fake. If it looks like a real one from 3 feet away and you're happy with that, the only explanation is that you want to fool people 3 feet away into thinking you have a Rolex.
Why does it have to be about fooling people? Why can't you buy something because it looks and feels nice?

ETA if the Flat Duck tastes as nice as the Fat Duck I'd be happy to visit because after all, food is mainly about taste.

Now, watches are mainly about telling the time...how does a genuine Rolex compare to a fake one?

Edited by Countdown on Friday 19th January 17:00

scoopdydoo

386 posts

88 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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Countdown said:
Why does it have to be about fooling people? Why can't you buy something because it looks and feels nice?

ETA if the Flat Duck tastes as nice as the Fat Duck I'd be happy to visit because after all, food is mainly about taste.

Now, watches are mainly about telling the time...how does a genuine Rolex compare to a fake one?

Edited by Countdown on Friday 19th January 17:00
If it's about looking and feeling nice, is there literally no genuine watch from £0 - £Rolex that looks and feels nice? I doubt even a AAA fake would feel as nice as a real one anyway. And I'm not sure about COSC Certification for fakes either.

You're more than welcome at The Flat Duck. It's not real chicken I use though, its rat meat made to look like chicken, pretty much the same taste once you get over the fact its rat.

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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Countdown said:
Why does it have to be about fooling people? Why can't you buy something because it looks and feels nice?

ETA if the Flat Duck tastes as nice as the Fat Duck I'd be happy to visit because after all, food is mainly about taste.

Now, watches are mainly about telling the time...how does a genuine Rolex compare to a fake one?
Because that is the purpose of a counterfeit. To look like something they are not, in order to take advantage of the reputation of what ever is being counterfeited.

The example you provided falls over instantly as 'Flat Duck' is a pun on (and a homage to) 'Fat Duck', not a counterfeit.

You're being disingenuous with your last statement. Hardly any product exists purely as an object of utility, and watches are no exception. In any case I am not sure what you're trying to illustrate with your question as, functional or not, it is the deceitful nature of a counterfeit which is the problem.

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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scoopdydoo said:
If it's about looking and feeling nice, is there literally no genuine watch from £0 - £Rolex that looks and feels nice?
There are plenty (IMO anyway). However some people may prefer the looks of a Rolex but don't want to pay the price. In fact (and I'm no watch expert) aren't there plenty of "homages" that look like more expensive watches but carry a different name? So I suppose the question is, is it "ok" to buy a watch that looks like a Rolex but is a different brand?

scoopdydoo said:
I doubt even a AAA fake would feel as nice as a real one anyway. And I'm not sure about COSC Certification for fakes either.
Blindfolded, is it possible to "feel the difference" in the quality of a genuine Rolex vs. Fake? Assuming they're the same weight I'm not sure how. But again, that's down to the Fake-owner. If they've bought purely on looks they won't care about "feel", or COSC certification.

scoopdydoo said:
You're more than welcome at The Flat Duck. It's not real chicken I use though, its rat meat made to look like chicken, pretty much the same taste once you get over the fact its rat.
That would be akin to buying a fake Rolex that was less than useless at telling the time. That would be the buyers fault and nobody else's. yet it wouldn't explain why the people who visit the genuine Fat Duck would get upset about it. The only explanation I can think of is that somehow they feel it devalues their own personal enjoyment, and the only explanation for that would be "bragging rights".

Would you agree that anybody who buys either a fake Rolex or a genuine Rolex for any reason other than their own personal enjoyment (e.g. for admiring glances/envy/acclaim) is a bit of a cock because, afaics, that's the ONLY reason why the owner of a genuine Rolex would get upset at the owner of a fake.....the knowledge that they're conning people who don't know the difference.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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Countdown said:
scoopdydoo said:
I can never understand a fake anything, even the fake LV bags and Gucci belt every wannabe has on the high street. And the silly reasons people give for owning a fake. If it looks like a real one from 3 feet away and you're happy with that, the only explanation is that you want to fool people 3 feet away into thinking you have a Rolex.
Why does it have to be about fooling people? Why can't you buy something because it looks and feels nice?

ETA if the Flat Duck tastes as nice as the Fat Duck I'd be happy to visit because after all, food is mainly about taste.

Now, watches are mainly about telling the time...how does a genuine Rolex compare to a fake one?

Edited by Countdown on Friday 19th January 17:00
I’ll join you for dinner Countdown, sounds great.
Table for two please scoopdydoo.

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Friday 19th January 2018
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Countdown said:
Would you agree that anybody who buys either a fake Rolex or a genuine Rolex for any reason other than their own personal enjoyment (e.g. for admiring glances/envy/acclaim) is a bit of a cock because, afaics, that's the ONLY reason why the owner of a genuine Rolex would get upset at the owner of a fake.....the knowledge that they're conning people who don't know the difference.
But as I say, you don't have to be the owner of one to be frustrated by counterfeits.

A counterfeit is an inherently dishonest object. It doesn't matter if it is a counterfeit of something very expensive or something relatively inexpensive, that simple fact doesn't change.



Edited by gregs656 on Friday 19th January 19:21