A year with "my first Rolex"

A year with "my first Rolex"

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Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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InductionRoar said:
Blown2CV said:
InductionRoar said:
Blown2CV said:
i don't really get why someone would own multiple vintage and genuine rolexes and then choose to wear a fake one. I am not sure I believe it.
You have the pleasure of owning the genuine item, but don't risk damaging it.
i can't really understand owning a watch you refuse to wear.
Do you need to use something to gain pleasure from owning it?
well no, i guess, but it does seem fairly pointless. Depends what it is, but watches are made to be worn; cars are made to be driven.

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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InductionRoar said:
You have the pleasure of owning the genuine item, but don't risk damaging it.
You don't need to buy counterfeit to achieve that.

Nigel_O

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2,858 posts

218 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Interesting timing for this thread resurrection - it is three years today since I bought my Sub. It still hasn’t been off my wrist and I still enjoy it.

It’s probably worth a decent amount more than I paid for it, which is welcome, but irrelevant, at least for the time being.

However, I’m still surprised how much hate there is for a Rolex. I’d expect such polarisation if we were talking about footy teams, or Holden v Ford, but not about a watch that 95% of people can’t tell apart from a £50 Timex.

Each to their own, etc.....

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Nigel_O said:
Interesting timing for this thread resurrection - it is three years today since I bought my Sub. It still hasn’t been off my wrist and I still enjoy it.

It’s probably worth a decent amount more than I paid for it, which is welcome, but irrelevant, at least for the time being.

However, I’m still surprised how much hate there is for a Rolex. I’d expect such polarisation if we were talking about footy teams, or Holden v Ford, but not about a watch that 95% of people can’t tell apart from a £50 Timex.

Each to their own, etc.....
In person? I experience no hate face to face... surprising amount on the Internet though!! Green eyed keyboard warriors perhaps.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Blown2CV said:
Nigel_O said:
Interesting timing for this thread resurrection - it is three years today since I bought my Sub. It still hasn’t been off my wrist and I still enjoy it.

It’s probably worth a decent amount more than I paid for it, which is welcome, but irrelevant, at least for the time being.

However, I’m still surprised how much hate there is for a Rolex. I’d expect such polarisation if we were talking about footy teams, or Holden v Ford, but not about a watch that 95% of people can’t tell apart from a £50 Timex.

Each to their own, etc.....
In person? I experience no hate face to face... surprising amount on the Internet though!! Green eyed keyboard warriors perhaps.
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Countdown said:
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile
That Sir is exactly why I bought the fake

DickyC

49,547 posts

197 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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The wealthiest chap I know has an apartment in Dolphin Square, a country house in Sussex and a Bentley S3. He also has a particularly tired Ford Focus, he visits charity shops for shoes that were once expensive and he wears a fake Rolex. When I quizzed him on the fake Rolex he said he thought it was hilarious folk spending thousands on a watch. Other folk might think it equally funny to spend tens of thousands of pounds on a car more than fifty years old. And there were some folk of our acquaintance who were positively scathing of his shoe buying habits.

Where are you going with this Dicky?

Horses for courses, mate. Horses for courses.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Nervous customer: err....so do you err do....you see I’m a bit partial to you know, a bit of... I know not everyone is but....

Madame: We have a room for everyones needs young man

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Countdown said:
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile
Except of course it is perfectly possible to think owning a counterfeit of something you don't actually own your self is a bit sad. I don't own a Ferrari for example people who put body kits and Ferrari badges on MR2s? It's just a bit sad.


InductionRoar

2,001 posts

131 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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gregs656 said:
InductionRoar said:
You have the pleasure of owning the genuine item, but don't risk damaging it.
You don't need to buy counterfeit to achieve that.
Quite so, watches are uncommon in that respect.

There have been plenty of women over the years who have owned items of jewellery valued in the millions, who also own a paste version of the same item. The same goes with collectors of art, books and antiques. I think the distinction here is that they are not attempting to pass the fake off as the real thing, but they know the value of the genuine item renders it problematic to use for its intended purpose.

Clearly we are not quite at that level with a new Rolex, however, I was responding to a question as to why somebody would own the original and choose to wear a fake.

Just because somebody wears a fake, doesn't mean that they haven't got the original.

I don't wish to get into a discussion on the semantics of counterfeit, fake and homage either. wink

gregs656 said:
Countdown said:
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile
Except of course it is perfectly possible to think owning a counterfeit of something you don't actually own your self is a bit sad. I don't own a Ferrari for example people who put body kits and Ferrari badges on MR2s? It's just a bit sad.
Just for clarity, is it the morality of supporting the black market that offends you or the opinion of others who may think you are "a bit sad"?

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Nigel_O said:
Interesting timing for this thread resurrection - it is three years today since I bought my Sub. It still hasn’t been off my wrist and I still enjoy it.

It’s probably worth a decent amount more than I paid for it, which is welcome, but irrelevant, at least for the time being.

However, I’m still surprised how much hate there is for a Rolex. I’d expect such polarisation if we were talking about footy teams, or Holden v Ford, but not about a watch that 95% of people can’t tell apart from a £50 Timex.

Each to their own, etc.....
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.

counterofbeans

1,061 posts

138 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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AstonZagato said:
Aston driver calls some 911 drivers "cocks"
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

gregs656

10,818 posts

180 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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InductionRoar said:
I think the distinction here is that they are not attempting to pass the fake off as the real thing

Just for clarity, is it the morality of supporting the black market that offends you or the opinion of others who may think you are "a bit sad"?
A very important distinction, I would say.

I am not offended. I just don't think much of the arguments presented here justifying the purchase of counterfeits.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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AstonZagato said:
Nigel_O said:
Interesting timing for this thread resurrection - it is three years today since I bought my Sub. It still hasn’t been off my wrist and I still enjoy it.

It’s probably worth a decent amount more than I paid for it, which is welcome, but irrelevant, at least for the time being.

However, I’m still surprised how much hate there is for a Rolex. I’d expect such polarisation if we were talking about footy teams, or Holden v Ford, but not about a watch that 95% of people can’t tell apart from a £50 Timex.

Each to their own, etc.....
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.
I'd agree with this.

Every Rolex owner on the internet is a quiet connoisseur of quality engineering, who buys Rolex purely because they appreciate what goes into it, who demands high quality equipment, and who applies that philosophy in the rest of their life, and the other things they choose to own.

Yet most Rolex owners you meet in real life are not like that. At all. They tend to be shiny show-offs.

Rolex is standard-equipment for moderately successful used car dealers and stock brokers and provincial solicitors. These are gentlemen who in generally do not demand excellence in everything. Do not appreciate subtlety or quiet quality. Do not know anything about jewels and movements. Are puzzled when it stops every other day. Who drive Audis.

This dichotomy between the internet and life is very odd. So Rolex owners on the internet shouldn't take any criticism to heart. Any pointed remarks are only really directed at Rolex owners you might meet in real-life, who tend to be a very different crowd.



anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Countdown said:
For me hating somebody for having a Rolex (Internet or otherwise) is the same as looking down on somebody/ calling them a fraud for having a fake. Both smack of insecurity- one being jealous of the other for “showing off”, the other being annoyed because they feel it lessens their own “kudos” by diluting the brand.

P.s. I speak as one who’d quite happily have a Rolex, either genuine or fake, because they look nice. smile
If someone is boasting, I dislike it. It’s not because I’m jealous but it’s because I find it an unattractive trait like being tight or being selfish.

It’s behaviour that seeks to manipulate other people and to elevate themselves above others and simply make others feel bad about themselves, that makes them a bit of a fanny,

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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counterofbeans said:
AstonZagato said:
Aston driver calls some 911 drivers "cocks"
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Are you denying some 911 drivers are cocks? Certainly plenty of Aston drivers are - I've met quite a few (but I never said no Aston drivers are cocks). For all I know, I might be one of those cocks too (I don't think I am but no-one does, do they?)

However, at least when I began buying them in 2000, the Aston brand was not a default choice for know-nothing cocks (it has climbed since then). Thankfully, Aston has less of a stigma attached. From my days driving a 911 to my days driving a DB7 Vantage, the difference in public reaction was - and IMHO still remains - night and day better for an Aston. Interestingly, it is better than owning a Ferrari (in that most people do't know what it is and, if they do, they are car people).

But we are getting off topic.

Returning to watches, it is unlikely that the "moderately successful solicitor" would choose to buy, say, a Breguet.

Edited by AstonZagato on Tuesday 16th January 12:16

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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AstonZagato said:
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.
Aston Martin owners tells us he owns one rofl

Then says Porsche 911's are owned by know-nothing cocks with no knowledge or imagination

Say default Rolexes owners are also cocks

..and repeats it annually

rofl


AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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V6Pushfit said:
AstonZagato said:
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.
Aston Martin owners tells us he owns one rofl

Then says Porsche 911's are owned by know-nothing cocks with no knowledge or imagination

Say default Rolexes owners are also cocks

..and repeats it annually

rofl

Except I didn't say any of that. But good work otherwise.

DickyC

49,547 posts

197 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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I'm looking forward to Nigel_O's Two years with "my second Rolex."

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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AstonZagato said:
V6Pushfit said:
AstonZagato said:
It is my habit to repeat this on here every year or so. Now seems the appropriate moment to do so again.

Rolexes are the Porsche 911 of the watch world. The 911 is a fabulous car. Brilliantly engineered. Great to drive. Built to last. Driven often by real aficionados.

However, it is also the default choice of know-nothing cocks and "considerably richer than yow" types. If you have no imagination, no knowledge and want to buy an expensive sports car, the 911 is what you will buy. That is nothing against the car. It's a proper driver's car.

Rolexes have the same problem. Great watches. Worn often by genuine enthusiasts with excellent taste in watches and usually fabulous collections. But also the default choice for someone who just wants to show that he has "made it".

This tends to polarise opinion on the brand.
Aston Martin owners tells us he owns one rofl

Then says Porsche 911's are owned by know-nothing cocks with no knowledge or imagination

Say default Rolexes owners are also cocks

..and repeats it annually

rofl

Except I didn't say any of that. But good work otherwise.
Apologies Mr Trump I didnt know you were on here