Should remainers vote for the Libs?

Should remainers vote for the Libs?

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Leggy

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1,018 posts

221 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Simple question. Would they be the best opposition to keep the Conservatives in check?

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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You mean Tim 'I don't really like the gays' Farron?

Not sure he's the one to be backing in this race.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Leggy said:
Simple question. Would they be the best opposition to keep the Conservatives in check?
Unless they are needed in some absurd coalition how do you imagine they will keep the Tories in check?

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Actually the libs might be a good protest vote compared to voting for the red party which is disarray at the moment. It would actually be more like an abstention rather than a protest vote, but I see some people taking that route just to show unhappiness without voting JC.

I might vote that way myself. David Cameron did the vote to get backing for his idea, it fell flat, now May is doing a vote to show backing for her too.

At this rate Recep Erdogan will be having election to get popular backing to strike forward whilst the country is in a bit of a turmoil after a couple of years in interesting times.....

I digress..




frisbee

4,956 posts

109 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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fblm said:
Leggy said:
Simple question. Would they be the best opposition to keep the Conservatives in check?
Unless they are needed in some absurd coalition how do you imagine they will keep the Tories in check?
I expect he means by challenging the governments policies and decisions and holding them accountable for their actions, the sort of stuff a proper opposition party should be doing.

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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No.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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I'll be voting LD having always previously voted Tory. I'm anti Brexit and very anti hard Brexit which is what I feel we're heading to as a result of the fringes of the Tory party. Only people trying to provide an opposition to counter this are the LDs.

Unless there's a biiig swing in my constituency (East Hampshire) it won't make much difference, the Tory candidate will still win. Luckily the LDs do better than Lab here so I get to vote my conscience and provide the best support I can to unseat the Tory incumbent rather than having to grudgingly tick the Labour box to show my opposition.

Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 19th April 08:20

jonnyb

2,590 posts

251 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.

Tony Starks

2,089 posts

211 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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jonnyb said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.
But if Brexit is here to stay, how will it make a difference? I'm overseas, so not 100% with whats going on back home.


Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Leggy said:
Simple question. Would they be the best opposition to keep the Conservatives in check?
You should vote to unseat the Tory candidate. Ideally to replace with a Lib Dem as they are opposed to Brexit (esp hard Brexit), but if a Labour candidate is more likely to win you should vote for them as even though they will support Brexit, they're anti hard Brexit and the less MPs the Tories have the more difficult it is for them to force through a hard Brexit.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Tony Starks said:
jonnyb said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.
But if Brexit is here to stay, how will it make a difference? I'm overseas, so not 100% with whats going on back home.
Brexit may well be here to stay, but the type of Brexit should def be on the table.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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jonnyb said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.
But the PM didn't want Brexit either. She's just decided she should sort it out as that's the democratic result of the vote the last PM (who didn't want Brexit either) arranged,

Voting out a PM who didn't want Brexit because you don't want Brexit isn't going to stop Brexit. Best you can hope for is that a PM who holds your view might be well placed to get a result in the negotiations you might be more in support of than an ardent leaver would try to negotiate.

Would you really want the PM to ignore the Brexit result or try to reverse it after the vote? I'm not sure that would make her a very good PM. She didn't want it, but is trying to do the best for her country with what the voters have presented her with.

TLandCruiser

2,788 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Mario149 said:
You should vote to unseat the Tory candidate. Ideally to replace with a Lib Dem as they are opposed to Brexit (esp hard Brexit), but if a Labour candidate is more likely to win you should vote for them as even though they will support Brexit, they're anti hard Brexit and the less MPs the Tories have the more difficult it is for them to force through a hard Brexit.
Ridiculous

jonnyb

2,590 posts

251 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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TLandCruiser said:
Mario149 said:
You should vote to unseat the Tory candidate. Ideally to replace with a Lib Dem as they are opposed to Brexit (esp hard Brexit), but if a Labour candidate is more likely to win you should vote for them as even though they will support Brexit, they're anti hard Brexit and the less MPs the Tories have the more difficult it is for them to force through a hard Brexit.
Ridiculous
Why?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Mario149 said:
Tony Starks said:
jonnyb said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.
But if Brexit is here to stay, how will it make a difference? I'm overseas, so not 100% with whats going on back home.
Brexit may well be here to stay, but the type of Brexit should def be on the table.
If you're a remainer, isn't having a remain PM most likely to give you the best kind of Brexit? I would have though leavers are going to be better represented under May than anyone else.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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TLandCruiser said:
Mario149 said:
You should vote to unseat the Tory candidate. Ideally to replace with a Lib Dem as they are opposed to Brexit (esp hard Brexit), but if a Labour candidate is more likely to win you should vote for them as even though they will support Brexit, they're anti hard Brexit and the less MPs the Tories have the more difficult it is for them to force through a hard Brexit.
Ridiculous
So how would you suggest voting if you are anti Brexit or at least anti Hard Brexit?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Mario149 said:
TLandCruiser said:
Mario149 said:
You should vote to unseat the Tory candidate. Ideally to replace with a Lib Dem as they are opposed to Brexit (esp hard Brexit), but if a Labour candidate is more likely to win you should vote for them as even though they will support Brexit, they're anti hard Brexit and the less MPs the Tories have the more difficult it is for them to force through a hard Brexit.
Ridiculous
So how would you suggest voting if you are anti Brexit or at least anti Hard Brexit?
For May as she actually agrees with you,

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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El stovey said:
Mario149 said:
Tony Starks said:
jonnyb said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
frisbee said:
I'm voting LD, they are very likely to regain the seat where I live. The local conservative who won the last election is very good but I don't support Brexit.

Its a shame that there is no credible opposition in this country.
So you would vote-out a very good MP just because of Brexit? Guess what - Brexit is here to stay. Why punish a good MP? It's like firing someone for doing their job and having no-one to replace them with (as you say "there is no credible opposition in this country").
Because in a democracy, when something happens you don't like, you use your vote to get it changed.
It looks like frisbee is lucky enough to be in a constituency where it might make a difference.
But if Brexit is here to stay, how will it make a difference? I'm overseas, so not 100% with whats going on back home.
Brexit may well be here to stay, but the type of Brexit should def be on the table.
If you're a remainer, isn't having a remain PM most likely to give you the best kind of Brexit? I would have though leavers are going to be better represented under May than anyone else.
I think we can safely say that whatever TM was before the referendum, she's not a Remain PM now. Her apparent views and rhetoric do not represent the view of anyone who voted Remain that I know.