Looking at buying a GT4
Discussion
Hi all.
Having had a couple of Caymans in the past and now currently in an M4 Comp Pack looking at moving into a GT4.
Obviously the classifieds aren't full of them so just wondering what people consider 'must have's' in terms of options.
Only variables I can see are Nav, Chrono, Bucket Seats (standard/918 variants) and obviously colour combos.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks
Having had a couple of Caymans in the past and now currently in an M4 Comp Pack looking at moving into a GT4.
Obviously the classifieds aren't full of them so just wondering what people consider 'must have's' in terms of options.
Only variables I can see are Nav, Chrono, Bucket Seats (standard/918 variants) and obviously colour combos.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks
Hi there.
There were other options too....
PDLS (fancy lights). I don’t have them. Don’t miss them.
Smaller fuel tank. (I have full size tank). Short fill it if you care.
Interior carbon
Alcantara steering wheel
Steering wheel with a yellow mark at 12 o’clock. I like that.
Yellow seat belts / door handles
Fire Extinguisher
Roll bar
Colour of rear wing supports
Aluminum petrol tank cap
2 zone air con
Radio delete
Bluetooth etc etc.
There were other options too....
PDLS (fancy lights). I don’t have them. Don’t miss them.
Smaller fuel tank. (I have full size tank). Short fill it if you care.
Interior carbon
Alcantara steering wheel
Steering wheel with a yellow mark at 12 o’clock. I like that.
Yellow seat belts / door handles
Fire Extinguisher
Roll bar
Colour of rear wing supports
Aluminum petrol tank cap
2 zone air con
Radio delete
Bluetooth etc etc.
After choice of colour then seats either sports buckets or 918style which ever suits your body frame then leather interior, Xenons with pdls and mobile phone prep. Everything else is personal , didn't put PCM on the list as its dated and pretty rubbish the one in my wife's fiesta is better.
Pauloamore said:
Hi there.
There were other options too....
Smaller fuel tank. (I have full size tank). Short fill it if you care.
( most have full size fitted)
Alcantara steering wheel
(Standard)
Colour of rear wing supports
( choice early on of grey or black but grey was deleted so majority are black
There were other options too....
Smaller fuel tank. (I have full size tank). Short fill it if you care.
( most have full size fitted)
Alcantara steering wheel
(Standard)
Colour of rear wing supports
( choice early on of grey or black but grey was deleted so majority are black
danm89 said:
Hi all.
Having had a couple of Caymans in the past and now currently in an M4 Comp Pack looking at moving into a GT4.
Obviously the classifieds aren't full of them so just wondering what people consider 'must have's' in terms of options.
Only variables I can see are Nav, Chrono, Bucket Seats (standard/918 variants) and obviously colour combos.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks
depends if you want a track hack or a daily with limited track days a year.Having had a couple of Caymans in the past and now currently in an M4 Comp Pack looking at moving into a GT4.
Obviously the classifieds aren't full of them so just wondering what people consider 'must have's' in terms of options.
Only variables I can see are Nav, Chrono, Bucket Seats (standard/918 variants) and obviously colour combos.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks
Nav is still dire as it missed out on the new kit, so it has a dated unit, but most cars have it so you may as well have it to help when you sell up.
CS pack divides opinion, I don't like cages in cars, they add high up weight and always make noise, other people love the look, it's a personal choice.
I speced mine up like a tarts hand bag as I use the car, so it has PDSL 35w over the basic 25w units, cruise, climate, leather etc etc very nice thing.
I like buckets, either style will do, it's a GT car after all, leather as it looks nice, Carbon trim as the plastic looks cheap imo. and the better lights if you drive at night and older like me need as much help in that dept.
PCCB again personal, I don't like the replacement cost lol the GT4 brakes are the massive GT3 units so no braking issues with steels and you are free to use what ever pads you like.
Every thing else is personal. but the more kit the easier it is to sell later imo
Sports crono unlike any other Cayman does nothing, so it's a track app only, it's not needed for any throttle response change or sport mode, it's just a clock !
These cars will be very sort after imo later on, because it is detuned you can get 435BHP from them for quite a small outlay, fit that 435BHP kit, lightweight flywheel kit and some adjustable rear toe links to dial in a geo you end up with an amazing GT4.
so the must haves for me are
buckets
PDSL
leather
Carbon
Bluetooth for phone
AC of some sort, but go for a car with climate.
If you want to daily it, look for climate, cruise, Nav also that combo will be easy to sell on later over cars missing it for the same money !
if you want a track hack forget leather you want a wipe down interior as tracking one always seems to have dirty hands, CS pack for the cage and harness and crono for the track app.
as always threads like this need owner pics :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 November 12:54
I've just put a deposit on a GT4 and was attracted by the PCCBs on it. Certainly it appears that PCCB cars are commanding a higher price generally...
"My" car doesn't have carbon trim but after waiting months for the right car/price I had to relax my wish list just a little.
Good luck with the purchase,
Paul
"My" car doesn't have carbon trim but after waiting months for the right car/price I had to relax my wish list just a little.
Good luck with the purchase,
Paul
PaulAlex said:
I've just put a deposit on a GT4 and was attracted by the PCCBs on it. Certainly it appears that PCCB cars are commanding a higher price generally...
"My" car doesn't have carbon trim but after waiting months for the right car/price I had to relax my wish list just a little.
Good luck with the purchase,
Paul
trim is easy to buy for about £800 PCCB is £20k lol so if you want PCCB you made the right choice ;-)"My" car doesn't have carbon trim but after waiting months for the right car/price I had to relax my wish list just a little.
Good luck with the purchase,
Paul
If you are only going to use the car on the road, then I don't think you need any options to get the the full driving experience.
If you are going to do track days then IMO you should get a car with clubsport (for the harnesses and safety) and one of the 2 bucket seat options.
Having said that, it would seem that the more options you have the easier the car will be to sell when you come to move it on.
I think the leather interior makes it a significantly nicer place to sit. And I have PCM on my car as I don't like Garmins stuck on the screen.
Good luck with your hunt.
If you are going to do track days then IMO you should get a car with clubsport (for the harnesses and safety) and one of the 2 bucket seat options.
Having said that, it would seem that the more options you have the easier the car will be to sell when you come to move it on.
I think the leather interior makes it a significantly nicer place to sit. And I have PCM on my car as I don't like Garmins stuck on the screen.
Good luck with your hunt.
Really miss the GT4. Spec was perfect in my option.
Not a huge fan of the buckets (yes they look amazing, but a bit awkward getting in and out of). PCCB's aren't really necessary in my opinion. Sports seats for me, carbon trim, illuminated kick sills, also phone prep is a must. PTS Lichtgrün for me, its a lairy car that needs celebrating.
Not a huge fan of the buckets (yes they look amazing, but a bit awkward getting in and out of). PCCB's aren't really necessary in my opinion. Sports seats for me, carbon trim, illuminated kick sills, also phone prep is a must. PTS Lichtgrün for me, its a lairy car that needs celebrating.
Edited by _Superleggera_ on Wednesday 22 November 16:16
I bought one three weeks ago after a month of comparing specs and prices. Without a doubt you will regret the absence of Nav. Apparently it makes a £1k difference on purchase and £6k on resale. Not sure where I read that but the low prices commanded by non-Nav cars which then still refuse to sell tell the story. In all my time reviewing the approved used prices I never saw a non-leather interior sell either.
After that it's a matter of taste and purpose. No question about it, the combination of clubsport, 918 buckets and PCCBs is the sought after mix and priced to match. You will pay £5k-£10k more depending on geography. I went north for mine and I live in Yorkshire to start with but it was well worth it. When it comes to sell eventually I'll be calling OPCs in London. I don't expect to make all that premium paid back but I do expect plenty of interest and an easy sale.
Clubsport however is not for a dd. It greatly increases the sense of occasion on a drive but it rattles and creaks and bumps are amplified through the roll cage. I'm enjoying the theatre but mine is a toy.
Despite what others will say on here about all you need is the gearbox and some seats, this is Porsche not Lotus and most buyers expect a fully optioned car. There's a very big range between well-specced low mileage examples and the daily driven poverty spec cars. So you can get a relative bargain in the latter category but don't expect to be fending off the buyers come resale.
After that it's a matter of taste and purpose. No question about it, the combination of clubsport, 918 buckets and PCCBs is the sought after mix and priced to match. You will pay £5k-£10k more depending on geography. I went north for mine and I live in Yorkshire to start with but it was well worth it. When it comes to sell eventually I'll be calling OPCs in London. I don't expect to make all that premium paid back but I do expect plenty of interest and an easy sale.
Clubsport however is not for a dd. It greatly increases the sense of occasion on a drive but it rattles and creaks and bumps are amplified through the roll cage. I'm enjoying the theatre but mine is a toy.
Despite what others will say on here about all you need is the gearbox and some seats, this is Porsche not Lotus and most buyers expect a fully optioned car. There's a very big range between well-specced low mileage examples and the daily driven poverty spec cars. So you can get a relative bargain in the latter category but don't expect to be fending off the buyers come resale.
Climates not an essential on the GT4. I have 'manuel' a/c on both the GT4 and Spyder...it works perfectly so don't discount a perfect car spec just because of this.
Quite a few cars were specced without tracker so watch this if your insurers make it a requirement.
Folding bucket seated cars are quite rare. Depending on your build, the Spyder buckets may be better.
Great road cars.....good luck in your search.
Quite a few cars were specced without tracker so watch this if your insurers make it a requirement.
Folding bucket seated cars are quite rare. Depending on your build, the Spyder buckets may be better.
Great road cars.....good luck in your search.
BnB said:
I bought one three weeks ago after a month of comparing specs and prices. Without a doubt you will regret the absence of Nav. Apparently it makes a £1k difference on purchase and £6k on resale. .
It's not true (that's a AV185 comment), but if it were I would be buying one without nav and saving £6k for sure. I hate NAVS, but again it's a personal thing, NAVS never pick the routes I want , so you end up on sheep routes like every one else following a NAV !!No one puts a garmin on the windscreen do they in 2017 ?
Bucket seats and leather are the biggest things you see missing on the cheaper cars, and cars start about £80k in the nice specs.
if you want comfort seats and non leather they all drive the same, it's a cheap car without those options and you can go in low as they hang about.
Most cars have Climate (and it's handy to just set the temp and leave it, plus resale is better) , tracker was not an options it's a dealer fit on the GT4.
The point I am making above was, there are a lot of cars, the nice spec ones sell easy the not so nice might save you £3/4k but are so hard to sell, you may as buy one with most main options.
so the only real choice is CS or not depending what you want. and PCCB or not again personal, all the other main options you may as well have, if not just for resale and you get to enjoy them yourself anyway, plus you pay pence vs the list price ;-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 November 18:35
Nav was a £2k extra new and a car without is about £2k less secondhand! As the cars get older it will matter even less if a car has it or not, a good example of this is 997 gt3s, Cayman R and 987 Spyder which have the same 10 year old system and car without is no cheaper than one with I would say DAB is more important going forward and I wouldn't buy a newish car without.
As above buckets and leather are key but if buckets don't suit it's ok to have sports or adaptive seats
As above buckets and leather are key but if buckets don't suit it's ok to have sports or adaptive seats
In reality with the GT4, having had a new very highly spec'd club sport car and now what you might call a mid range spec, I don't feel you need all the trinkets to enjoy the car.
My first one one had the kitchen sink bar PCCBs. My latest one has buckets, leather, nav, cruise, PDLS phone prep and dig radio. The non CS car feels sweeter to me, I don't know if 20 odd kilos in weight saving really does make a difference or if it's in the mind but it seems to handle better and feel slightly more agile. Perhaps owning a 911 GTS in the middle highlighted the awesome feel and handing of the GT4 but that's my impression at least.
You should be able to pick a nice car up with that spec for 85-87k from an OPC. Just looking at cars with PCCB's and they are quite a lot more but then it was a 5k option.
My first one one had the kitchen sink bar PCCBs. My latest one has buckets, leather, nav, cruise, PDLS phone prep and dig radio. The non CS car feels sweeter to me, I don't know if 20 odd kilos in weight saving really does make a difference or if it's in the mind but it seems to handle better and feel slightly more agile. Perhaps owning a 911 GTS in the middle highlighted the awesome feel and handing of the GT4 but that's my impression at least.
You should be able to pick a nice car up with that spec for 85-87k from an OPC. Just looking at cars with PCCB's and they are quite a lot more but then it was a 5k option.
Fokker said:
. My latest one has buckets, leather, nav, cruise, PDLS phone prep and dig radio. .
That's quite a nice spec to be fair and hence why you bought it :-)It a clever spec, all the nice bits with out all the tat like carbon sills, led lights which rocket the price and add nothing.
PDSL is quite rare as is cruise, but both bloody handy.
Porsche911R said:
It's not true (that's a AV185 comment), but if it were I would be buying one without nav and saving £6k for sure. I hate NAVS, but again it's a personal thing, NAVS never pick the routes I want , so you end up on sheep routes like every one else following a NAV !!
No one puts a garmin on the windscreen do they in 2017 ?
Bucket seats and leather are the biggest things you see missing on the cheaper cars, and cars start about £80k in the nice specs.
if you want comfort seats and non leather they all drive the same, it's a cheap car without those options and you can go in low as they hang about.
Most cars have Climate (and it's handy to just set the temp and leave it, plus resale is better) , tracker was not an options it's a dealer fit on the GT4.
The point I am making above was, there are a lot of cars, the nice spec ones sell easy the not so nice might save you £3/4k but are so hard to sell, you may as buy one with most main options.
so the only real choice is CS or not depending what you want. and PCCB or not again personal, all the other main options you may as well have, if not just for resale and you get to enjoy them yourself anyway, plus you pay pence vs the list price ;-)
More than the usual bNo one puts a garmin on the windscreen do they in 2017 ?
Bucket seats and leather are the biggest things you see missing on the cheaper cars, and cars start about £80k in the nice specs.
if you want comfort seats and non leather they all drive the same, it's a cheap car without those options and you can go in low as they hang about.
Most cars have Climate (and it's handy to just set the temp and leave it, plus resale is better) , tracker was not an options it's a dealer fit on the GT4.
The point I am making above was, there are a lot of cars, the nice spec ones sell easy the not so nice might save you £3/4k but are so hard to sell, you may as buy one with most main options.
so the only real choice is CS or not depending what you want. and PCCB or not again personal, all the other main options you may as well have, if not just for resale and you get to enjoy them yourself anyway, plus you pay pence vs the list price ;-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 November 18:35
ks spouted in this post!Trackers was an option on both the GT4 and Spyder. Standard on the 991 GT3.
A non nav car, similar to a non bucketed car is around £5k cheaper.
av185 said:
More than the usual bks spouted in this post!
Trackers was an option on both the GT4 and Spyder. Standard on the 991 GT3.
A non nav car, similar to a non bucketed car is around £5k cheaper.
Tracker was NOT a factory fit option, it's a dealer fit as I stated and NAV is NOT worth £5k lolks spouted in this post!Trackers was an option on both the GT4 and Spyder. Standard on the 991 GT3.
A non nav car, similar to a non bucketed car is around £5k cheaper.
Porsche911R said:
Tracker was NOT a factory fit option, it's a dealer fit as I stated and NAV is NOT worth £5k lol
Who said it was a factory option?It's a dealer fit cost option.
So it's an option.
The carmine red GT4 recently advertised and mentioned on the GT4 thread was without nav and was c£5k cheaper than the equivalent nav car.
A couple of non nav Spyders have also been sold around £5k cheaper too.
Next you will be claiming a steel braked 991 RS is worth the same as a pccb car.....
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