Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
TorqueDirty said:
A £30 copy is a piece of s
t obviously, but the thing is that £500 or £1000 fake Rolex should actually be quite a high quality watch - from a mechanical, material and construction stand point. Yes it is a copy but if I understand it correctly these high end copies are really well made with good movements etc.
If you went out to buy a mechanical divers watch with a budget of between £500 and £1000 today you would be able to get something pretty decent I'd suggest, so no reason why the Rolex copy / counterfeit at this price would be complete rubbish.
I would still never buy one (or a real Rolex for that matter) but I reckon there are better ways to criticise the purchase of a £500 fake Rolex than by suggesting it will be total rubbish - it almost certainly won't be.
That's quite an interesting way of looking at it but does it stack up? Do you have any experience of one? If it is a decent bit of kit (I have my doubts) could it be maintained by a half decent watch repairer without spare parts?t obviously, but the thing is that £500 or £1000 fake Rolex should actually be quite a high quality watch - from a mechanical, material and construction stand point. Yes it is a copy but if I understand it correctly these high end copies are really well made with good movements etc. If you went out to buy a mechanical divers watch with a budget of between £500 and £1000 today you would be able to get something pretty decent I'd suggest, so no reason why the Rolex copy / counterfeit at this price would be complete rubbish.
I would still never buy one (or a real Rolex for that matter) but I reckon there are better ways to criticise the purchase of a £500 fake Rolex than by suggesting it will be total rubbish - it almost certainly won't be.
A lot of people claim with rolex you're paying a grand for the watch and the rest on advertising.
I imagine on a grand fake, you're paying a hundred quid for the watch and £900 for their drugs, money laundering and prostitution rackets.
I'm also not sure these high end fakes are being produced by criminal gangs and drug cartels. More like they are being made by rather skilled but morally relaxed watchmakers in China with access to some pretty serious manufacturing equipment - CNC milling machines, top quality lasers etc, and all the right materials.
You only have to watch a few of these "Spot the Fake" YouTube videos to know that who ever is making these high end clones knows a thing or two about how to make a half decent watch.
A quick search brought up this as the first hit on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAJE_XhT2Y
That fake was not made by a Colombian drug dealer and I bet there are even better fakes around now. Yes it is not quite there but it is probably, objectively, not a bad watch.
If the real thing was miles out of reach, and if you were the kind of person who wanted to pretend they can afford one, you could save around 12k and not get rumbled at your posh drinks party. You would still be prat of course!
Dolf Stoppard said:
My view is if you want a Sub type watch but can't afford it, buy something with similar design at a price you can afford. Or go for something different.
If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
Why does anybody care if somebody else is wearing a "fake" and not being honest about it?If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
The mystery as to why someone would pay £500+ for a high-end fake deepens for me, when I consider that I purchased my Longines HydroConquest (inc. box and papers) for £415 lightly-used.
Swiss made
Swiss ETA movement (currently at +2/day)
Delightful clasp
Guaranteed water resistance (not that I’ll dive with it)
Decent enough brand, I suppose:
All it takes is a bit of patience for the right one to come up.
Swiss made
Swiss ETA movement (currently at +2/day)
Delightful clasp
Guaranteed water resistance (not that I’ll dive with it)
Decent enough brand, I suppose:
All it takes is a bit of patience for the right one to come up.
Edited by Barchettaman on Thursday 13th February 11:33
Countdown said:
Dolf Stoppard said:
My view is if you want a Sub type watch but can't afford it, buy something with similar design at a price you can afford. Or go for something different.
If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
Why does anybody care if somebody else is wearing a "fake" and not being honest about it?If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
Countdown said:
Why does anybody care if somebody else is wearing a "fake" and not being honest about it?
This. I'm not onto fakes, because I prefer 'microbrands'. I have an interest in watches, though, and I have no clue if I've ever known anyone who wore a fake and pretended it was real. Why in the world would anybody question them, and why would anybody scrutinise their watch to try and catch them out?
If somebody wants to pretend, then that's up to them. They know the truth. Any suggestion that everyone else can see at a glance that their watch is a wrongun is b
ksTorqueDirty said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
TorqueDirty said:
A £30 copy is a piece of st obviously, but the thing is that £500 or £1000 fake Rolex should actually be quite a high quality watch - from a mechanical, material and construction stand point. Yes it is a copy but if I understand it correctly these high end copies are really well made with good movements etc.
If you went out to buy a mechanical divers watch with a budget of between £500 and £1000 today you would be able to get something pretty decent I'd suggest, so no reason why the Rolex copy / counterfeit at this price would be complete rubbish.
I would still never buy one (or a real Rolex for that matter) but I reckon there are better ways to criticise the purchase of a £500 fake Rolex than by suggesting it will be total rubbish - it almost certainly won't be.
That's quite an interesting way of looking at it but does it stack up? Do you have any experience of one? If it is a decent bit of kit (I have my doubts) could it be maintained by a half decent watch repairer without spare parts?t obviously, but the thing is that £500 or £1000 fake Rolex should actually be quite a high quality watch - from a mechanical, material and construction stand point. Yes it is a copy but if I understand it correctly these high end copies are really well made with good movements etc. If you went out to buy a mechanical divers watch with a budget of between £500 and £1000 today you would be able to get something pretty decent I'd suggest, so no reason why the Rolex copy / counterfeit at this price would be complete rubbish.
I would still never buy one (or a real Rolex for that matter) but I reckon there are better ways to criticise the purchase of a £500 fake Rolex than by suggesting it will be total rubbish - it almost certainly won't be.
A lot of people claim with rolex you're paying a grand for the watch and the rest on advertising.
I imagine on a grand fake, you're paying a hundred quid for the watch and £900 for their drugs, money laundering and prostitution rackets.
I'm also not sure these high end fakes are being produced by criminal gangs and drug cartels. More like they are being made by rather skilled but morally relaxed watchmakers in China with access to some pretty serious manufacturing equipment - CNC milling machines, top quality lasers etc, and all the right materials.
You only have to watch a few of these "Spot the Fake" YouTube videos to know that who ever is making these high end clones knows a thing or two about how to make a half decent watch.
A quick search brought up this as the first hit on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAJE_XhT2Y
That fake was not made by a Colombian drug dealer and I bet there are even better fakes around now. Yes it is not quite there but it is probably, objectively, not a bad watch.
If the real thing was miles out of reach, and if you were the kind of person who wanted to pretend they can afford one, you could save around 12k and not get rumbled at your posh drinks party. You would still be prat of course!
That’s where the links with organised crime come in.
It could be scaremongering of course but, it would seem logical to me that anyone who is experienced in distributing illegal goods and selling them around the world probably doesn’t care if those goods are counterfeit watches, luxury good, money, drugs or people.
They are all one illegal commodity.
Greendubber said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
What’s DH gate?
An emporium of cheap ste from the far east. https://m.dhgate.com/product/luxury-watch-sky-dwel...
And you don't think the Rolex 'foundation' are not themselves linked to drugs, arms, prostitution? I'd go out on a limb here and say .... maybe. I don't have evidence of this. Just travelled to Geneva to meet lots of these types of institutions over the years and have a hunch.
Ps I'm a big fan of the old school Geneva watch making industry and I wished it were like a previous poster suggested - leather overalls and half moon glasses. I like BlancPain just because it's the oldest watchmaker around. I ignore that it went bust and is owned by Swatch.
A bit like someone ignoring Aston Martin Lagonda has gone bust 7 times and is owned by a Kuwait oil company and now has German engines, electronics and satnav.
Ps I'm a big fan of the old school Geneva watch making industry and I wished it were like a previous poster suggested - leather overalls and half moon glasses. I like BlancPain just because it's the oldest watchmaker around. I ignore that it went bust and is owned by Swatch.
A bit like someone ignoring Aston Martin Lagonda has gone bust 7 times and is owned by a Kuwait oil company and now has German engines, electronics and satnav.
seastorm said:
And you don't think the Rolex 'foundation' are not themselves linked to drugs, arms, prostitution? I'd go out on a limb here and say .... maybe. I don't have evidence of this. Just travelled to Geneva to meet lots of these types of institutions over the years and have a hunch.
Ps I'm a big fan of the old school Geneva watch making industry and I wished it were like a previous poster suggested - leather overalls and half moon glasses. I like BlancPain just because it's the oldest watchmaker around. I ignore that it went bust and is owned by Swatch.
A bit like someone ignoring Aston Martin Lagonda has gone bust 7 times and is owned by a Kuwait oil company and now has German engines, electronics and satnav.
Which is why I own this:. BlancPain. No, not a fake but I'd love to see them try one and see how it compares....Ps I'm a big fan of the old school Geneva watch making industry and I wished it were like a previous poster suggested - leather overalls and half moon glasses. I like BlancPain just because it's the oldest watchmaker around. I ignore that it went bust and is owned by Swatch.
A bit like someone ignoring Aston Martin Lagonda has gone bust 7 times and is owned by a Kuwait oil company and now has German engines, electronics and satnav.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
If it is a decent bit of kit (I have my doubts) could it be maintained by a half decent watch repairer without spare parts?
Many of the Chinese fakes, especially those self classified as 1:1 / clone /A+++ etc utilize a copy of the ETA 2824-2 or a genuine Miyota Movement - 28800bph, hacking etc. The ETA clone is reported to be just that, a clone - people have serviced them and replaced parts within with genuine replacements as required - indeed, its common for the whole movement to be replaced with a genuine ETA as an easy swap if ever it came to it. Some last years, others, fall apart in months - QC wont be a strong point and warranty, will be either zero, or if purchased through a reputable dealer possible.
Those that have looked deeper into the ETA clone report that they are very good - just not always assembled in the cleanest of environments and so have them serviced to ensure that they are clean and relevant areas have some lube.
The 'Asda price' ones from DHGate & Turkey do often have quartz movements or very basic auto movements half made from plastic that last the sum total of as soon as you hand over 100TL!!
Countdown said:
Dolf Stoppard said:
My view is if you want a Sub type watch but can't afford it, buy something with similar design at a price you can afford. Or go for something different.
If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
Why does anybody care if somebody else is wearing a "fake" and not being honest about it?If you want to buy a fake, fine. But if you're going to be honest and tell people what it is, I just don't see the point. As above, you may as well buy something genuine with a similar design.
)seastorm said:
And you don't think the Rolex 'foundation' are not themselves linked to drugs, arms, prostitution? I'd go out on a limb here and say .... maybe. I don't have evidence of this. Just travelled to Geneva to meet lots of these types of institutions over the years and have a hunch.
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