Spot the fake

[GCH]

Barchettaman said:

If the originals weren’t so stupidly overpriced and unobtainable (Rolex I mean) then there wouldn’t be the market for these superfakes.

Quite.
And it also effects the pre-owned/grey market, as there are definitely (some) well-intentioned dealers who would unwittingly be fooled by some of the higher end replicas.
So what does someone in the market for a daytona do who just wants to buy the damn watch and not establish a relationship or buy loads of other tat they don't want. Play AD games? Take a risk on the grey/pre-owned market while getting fleeced with the mark up? Or go and buy a brand/model that is more easily available brand new from an AD?

[Dolf Stoppard]

Barchettaman said:

Ninjin said:

I think we are losing the plot here. I personally buy a watch because I like it. Having to save up for it is part of the journey. I'm not buying it just to flex it's something my heart desires.

In car terms, it's worse than buying a Land Wind X7 cause you can't afford the Evoke.

If the originals weren’t so stupidly overpriced and unobtainable (Rolex I mean) then there wouldn’t be the market for these superfakes.

Of course there would be. Omega, Breitling, IWC, Panerai, Tag, JLC are all brands where you can buy pretty much the whole range from any AD, but there are plenty of fakes out there. Always have been, always will be. Reducing the retail price wouldn't change this, unless you dropped them to an uneconomic price point - which is obviously never going to happen!

And IMO anyone who buys a superfake is just...odd. A £500 fake Rolex is no more a Rolex than a £40 one. And it will be worth exactly the same when it breaks - because it's not real.

And as above, I honestly don't get how anyone gets any pleasure from a fake. It's like having a pair of socks stuffed down your pants while driving your 318d with the wonky M badge on the back. Odd...

[Tomo1971]

Dolf Stoppard said:

Of course there would be. Omega, Breitling, IWC, Panerai, Tag, JLC are all brands where you can buy pretty much the whole range from any AD, but there are plenty of fakes out there. Always have been, always will be. Reducing the retail price wouldn't change this, unless you dropped them to an uneconomic price point - which is obviously never going to happen!

And IMO anyone who buys a superfake is just...odd. A £500 fake Rolex is no more a Rolex than a £40 one. And it will be worth exactly the same when it breaks - because it's not real.

And as above, I honestly don't get how anyone gets any pleasure from a fake. It's like having a pair of socks stuffed down your pants while driving your 318d with the wonky M badge on the back. Odd...

A £10,000 Rolex does exactly the same as a £500, or £50 fake one..... tell the time. They do however, look the same though to varying degrees on the quality, but the £500 will be indistinguishable from 12" away to 99.9% of the population. If its do with the quality or the beauty of mechanics, then the likes of Oris, Hamilton and dare I say it Chris Ward offer very similar for a whole lot less.

As I said, I own a replica Pelagos, I could afford a genuine version if I wanted but I like it for its looks rather than its history - One of the 'tells' on the Pelagos is the hour markers not been quite straight - yet when I looked at a gen in an AD a few weeks ago, their display model (working version) had one of the markers slightly off...........so sometimes the additional ££ for the supposed quality isnt, IMO justified.

Maybe people who pay for a Genuine Rolex are erm....odd...... (IMO) ;-)

[PJ S]

Ninjin said:

I watched this the day it was released. As an owner of said watch (albeit in black) I tested myself to see if I could tell. If it was alone, even with a loupe I wouldn't be able to tell. Side by side, the giveaway for me was the sweeping second hand. The fake uses a 28,800 movement and the genuine, a 25,600. Ironically, this means the genuine has a more jerky movement, whilst the fake seems to glide more.

If they actually managed to use a 25,600 movement, now that would be scary....

21,600 or 25,200 – 3 or 3.5 Hz as opposed to 4.

[Sheepshanks]

The thing that worries me about fakes would be the irony of getting mugged (or worse) for one.

[Ninjin]

PJ S said:

Ninjin said:

I watched this the day it was released. As an owner of said watch (albeit in black) I tested myself to see if I could tell. If it was alone, even with a loupe I wouldn't be able to tell. Side by side, the giveaway for me was the sweeping second hand. The fake uses a 28,800 movement and the genuine, a 25,600. Ironically, this means the genuine has a more jerky movement, whilst the fake seems to glide more.

If they actually managed to use a 25,600 movement, now that would be scary....

21,600 or 25,200 – 3 or 3.5 Hz as opposed to 4.

Thanks for clarification, it's 3.5hz so 25,200. When I got mine, I didn't realise omega has dropped frequency to increase the power reserve. If I had known, I may not have bought it. I love the smoothness of a 28,800 movement gives. Ironically the smoothest movement I have in a watch is my bulova quartz, running 262hz.

[gregs656]

Tomo1971 said:

A £10,000 Rolex does exactly the same as a £500, or £50 fake one..... tell the time. They do however, look the same though to varying degrees on the quality, but the £500 will be indistinguishable from 12" away to 99.9% of the population. If its do with the quality or the beauty of mechanics, then the likes of Oris, Hamilton and dare I say it Chris Ward offer very similar for a whole lot less.

As I said, I own a replica Pelagos, I could afford a genuine version if I wanted but I like it for its looks rather than its history - One of the 'tells' on the Pelagos is the hour markers not been quite straight - yet when I looked at a gen in an AD a few weeks ago, their display model (working version) had one of the markers slightly off...........so sometimes the additional ££ for the supposed quality isnt, IMO justified.

Maybe people who pay for a Genuine Rolex are erm....odd...... (IMO) ;-)

You don’t own a replica Pelagos. You own a counterfeit one.

Using euphemisms like ‘Rep’ and ‘clone’ shows that you don’t like to admit you own a counterfeit.

If you just liked the look, you could have bought something that looks similar but isn’t counterfeit.

The reason you bought a counterfeit is because you want to look like you own something you don’t.

Owning a counterfeit is inherently dishonest so I am not surprised that you engage in these euphemisms and rationalisations to try and elevate your fake and your choices.

[FWIW]

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[FWIW]

Tomo1971 said:

Maybe people who pay for a Genuine Rolex are erm....odd...... (IMO) ;-)

It’s an interesting question. I have a selection of fakes, cost on average around £70 each I guess. They look OK but they’re a bit crap.

So I’ve lost about £400 on fakes.

A few years ago I spent an extravagant £6.5k on a Rolex...very odd, as you say.

Which purchase would you say was the least ‘odd’, and why?

Edited by FWIW on Sunday 26th January 15:27

[Dolf Stoppard]

Tomo1971 said:

Dolf Stoppard said:

Of course there would be. Omega, Breitling, IWC, Panerai, Tag, JLC are all brands where you can buy pretty much the whole range from any AD, but there are plenty of fakes out there. Always have been, always will be. Reducing the retail price wouldn't change this, unless you dropped them to an uneconomic price point - which is obviously never going to happen!

And IMO anyone who buys a superfake is just...odd. A £500 fake Rolex is no more a Rolex than a £40 one. And it will be worth exactly the same when it breaks - because it's not real.

And as above, I honestly don't get how anyone gets any pleasure from a fake. It's like having a pair of socks stuffed down your pants while driving your 318d with the wonky M badge on the back. Odd...

A £10,000 Rolex does exactly the same as a £500, or £50 fake one..... tell the time. They do however, look the same though to varying degrees on the quality, but the £500 will be indistinguishable from 12" away to 99.9% of the population. If its do with the quality or the beauty of mechanics, then the likes of Oris, Hamilton and dare I say it Chris Ward offer very similar for a whole lot less.

As I said, I own a replica Pelagos, I could afford a genuine version if I wanted but I like it for its looks rather than its history - One of the 'tells' on the Pelagos is the hour markers not been quite straight - yet when I looked at a gen in an AD a few weeks ago, their display model (working version) had one of the markers slightly off...........so sometimes the additional ££ for the supposed quality isnt, IMO justified.

Maybe people who pay for a Genuine Rolex are erm....odd...... (IMO) ;-)

So what if something looks similar from 12" away? It's a fake. Caring about whether it fools someone suggests not being honest about whether it's real. Anyone who does that is laughable.

If you like the Pelagos and can afford one, I'd be surprised if you didn't get more pleasure from an original. A watch from the pound shop with 'Pelagis' written on the dial is as much a Tudor as yours!

And Hamilton, Oris, CW etc make some good models. But they're not as well made as say Tudor, which are not as well made as Rolex. The people who argue against things like this tend to own the cheaper models. Like people who say their Leon is as well built as a Golf, or people with a Golf who say it's as well built as an A3. Nothing wrong with cheaper things, just be honest.

I bought a Sub for £3.5k, have worn it on and off, and I could probably sell it today for £6.5k. Nothing odd about that.

[amare32]

Sheepshanks said:

The thing that worries me about fakes would be the irony of getting mugged (or worse) for one.

You would literally just take it off and throw it over to them and afterwards there's no need to post on PH about someone mugging you for a gold AP...

...joking aside I've seen a number of reps and it's nearly 100% 1-to1 if you just look at it on their wrist.

[Evolved]

FWIW said:

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Yep

[anonymous-user]

Sad really that people need or want to buy fakes to look like the real thing.

If you like the style then buy a homage, if you can’t afford a real one don’t line the pockets of the criminals that trade off other people’s IP.

[anonymous-user]

Hundreds of real brands, that offer proper watches for the same price as a fake, yet people still buy fakes..I will never understand it.

[Ninjin]

The 'fake' market, especially for watches, handbags and clothes is driven by the sucessful marketing of the brand that has been counterfeited.

The brand owner has spent a lot of time and money to build up the image of the brand and people spend money to purchase their products.

People who can't afford the real thing but still want have a piece of the action, will end up buying a counterfeit.

I've always believed that if I can't afford it, then don't try to fake it by flexing a counterfeit.

You should live to your means and not to social (media) pressure.

Getting back to topic, what makes me wonder even more are these franken modded watches. I guy will spend like £3k on buying a fake and modding with real parts..... When they could have the real deal for say £6k. I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!

Edited by Ninjin on Sunday 26th January 04:16

[stinkyspanner]

I'm the kind of person that might buy a fake watch and this is why:
I'm not particularly into watches, I haven't owned or worn a watch for 20 years or more-if I want to know the time I look at my phone.
However I saw an advert for an Omega which I thought looked nice, but would I spend £5k on one? Er, no but I would buy a fake for £70 if it told the time and didn't fall apart. Who cares if the movement isn't quite right? Certainly not me..

[Leylandeye]

gregs656 said:

Tomo1971 said:

A £10,000 Rolex does exactly the same as a £500, or £50 fake one..... tell the time. They do however, look the same though to varying degrees on the quality, but the £500 will be indistinguishable from 12" away to 99.9% of the population. If its do with the quality or the beauty of mechanics, then the likes of Oris, Hamilton and dare I say it Chris Ward offer very similar for a whole lot less.

As I said, I own a replica Pelagos, I could afford a genuine version if I wanted but I like it for its looks rather than its history - One of the 'tells' on the Pelagos is the hour markers not been quite straight - yet when I looked at a gen in an AD a few weeks ago, their display model (working version) had one of the markers slightly off...........so sometimes the additional ££ for the supposed quality isnt, IMO justified.

Maybe people who pay for a Genuine Rolex are erm....odd...... (IMO) ;-)

You don’t own a replica Pelagos. You own a counterfeit one.

Using euphemisms like ‘Rep’ and ‘clone’ shows that you don’t like to admit you own a counterfeit.

If you just liked the look, you could have bought something that looks similar but isn’t counterfeit.

The reason you bought a counterfeit is because you want to look like you own something you don’t.

Owning a counterfeit is inherently dishonest so I am not surprised that you engage in these euphemisms and rationalisations to try and elevate your fake and your choices.

I think this is a little strong against the poster. Using the word counterfeit is inappropriate as counterfeit suggests dishonesty and the poster seems to be completely honest.

I can't agree with any suggestion that someone who is happy to buy a real model is odd but each to their own.

Personally, I prefer a high quality low cost original cheaper brand to a copy as the pleasure to me is the achievement of high quality at low cost.

I also feel that high value watches are an austentacious show of wealth which is not my thing but as I say, each to their own.

[Carbon Sasquatch]

Lee540 said:

https://www.solidswiss.cd/rolex-submariner-ss-blac...

Think it could be possible to be fooled by one of these.. includes box and ‘papers’

Probably because the site is a scam - the photos are of genuine watches

Anywhere offering a 25% discount for paying by BitCoin or Western Union should have you questioning why......


https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor...

[anonymous-user]

stinkyspanner said:

I'm the kind of person that might buy a fake watch and this is why:
I'm not particularly into watches, I haven't owned or worn a watch for 20 years or more-if I want to know the time I look at my phone.
However I saw an advert for an Omega which I thought looked nice, but would I spend £5k on one? Er, no but I would buy a fake for £70 if it told the time and didn't fall apart. Who cares if the movement isn't quite right? Certainly not me..

But it isn’t an Omega, why not buy one that looks like it?

I saw a nice Hublot (really?!) and decided to buy a similar version for under £200 to see if I got on with it prior to spending the Hublot amount, I didn’t.

[Countdown]

Leylandeye said:

I also feel that high value watches are an austentacious show of wealth which is not my thing but as I say, each to their own.

I think that's primarily why people get upset at "fakes". It dilutes the ostentation.


(I assume you mean ostentation and it wasn't a reference to a female novelist )