British Watches - which one?

British Watches - which one?

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hilly10

7,096 posts

228 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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dai1983 said:
Really want a Smith Everest 36mm but the sites only available for ordering for 30 seconds on a full moon Sunday during a leap year.
Eddie’s to busy with the TZ Forum to take orders

Riff Raff

5,114 posts

195 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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Pupp said:
You’re right in that they are good looking (in my view; I have the Roman bezel one, which is not to everyone’s taste). And Lorne was, indeed, a PHer; a fine generous and funny fellow too, to boot.

Sadly, however, and I’m very sorry if you were unaware, Lorne passed away a while ago now frown

I’m really not sure what the prospects of buying a new FE might be consequently; I have never seen a used one come up but that doesn’t mean they never do.

If I wanted one now, and assuming he’s still going, best bet might be to contact Darius at the Clock Gallery. He did most of the building for Lorne and might just have the ability and parts to pull one together.

There’s over 100 out there, which is a great legacy yes
Just out of interest, if one were to become available, have you any idea what might be a reasonable asking price?

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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Christopher Ward would be my choice if I was looking for a British brand, but everyone likes different things.

I think CW have got to the point where they have nailed the quality, the design, and at the right price. I would like to add a C60 Trident Pro 600 to my collection at some point.

walamai

439 posts

207 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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Not sure what style of watch OP are after, but https://www.scurfawatches.com/ has to be worth a look.

Great value for money, and the company is run by a bloke who actually was a professional diver and tested his original prototypes himself. I've got a (now very battered!) early Diver One and really like it. Tempted by one of the current crop as the designs are now quite a bit more refined.

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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walamai said:
Not sure what style of watch OP are after, but https://www.scurfawatches.com/ has to be worth a look.

Great value for money, and the company is run by a bloke who actually was a professional diver and tested his original prototypes himself. I've got a (now very battered!) early Diver One and really like it. Tempted by one of the current crop as the designs are now quite a bit more refined.
Really like Scurfa, they definitely appeal to me and if I needed another diver (everyone needs at least one more diver, don’t they?) then I would definitely give Scurfa serious consideration.



prand

5,915 posts

196 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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Lord Marylebone said:
Christopher Ward would be my choice if I was looking for a British brand, but everyone likes different things.

I think CW have got to the point where they have nailed the quality, the design, and at the right price. I would like to add a C60 Trident Pro 600 to my collection at some point.
I was lucky enough to get taken the CW office in Maidenhead to pick out a watch for my birthday last year. I went big and chose a C60 Elite GMT 1000. Very impressive for the money, Mrs P had picked a £100 voucher (from signing up to their mailing list I think) plus they threw in a free rubber strap too.

It was good to take a look at their full range, I quite like their smaller dial retro watches, despite going to a more modern looking 42mm (which is not in itself massive, but quite thick) blue titanium diver. I usually keep a look out for their 50% sale, and will probably buy one i fancy, as these would be great value.

I've had a look at Bremont, i think they look like decent designs, maybe overdoing the British heritage thing, but may be what their buyers want. Plus I find them too big for me. I still wouldn't mind a trip around their new factory in Henley though.


walamai

439 posts

207 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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Mezzanine said:
Really like Scurfa, they definitely appeal to me and if I needed another diver (everyone needs at least one more diver, don’t they?) then I would definitely give Scurfa serious consideration.
Hah, indeed. I needed a blue watch and I'd like one of the blue with yellow hands models. I just went to copy the link of the one I was talking about to put in this thread, and they had one in stock!

https://www.scurfawatches.com/product/diver-one-d1...

Next thing you know...




(And now they're out of stock again)

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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prand said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Christopher Ward would be my choice if I was looking for a British brand, but everyone likes different things.

I think CW have got to the point where they have nailed the quality, the design, and at the right price. I would like to add a C60 Trident Pro 600 to my collection at some point.
I was lucky enough to get taken the CW office in Maidenhead to pick out a watch for my birthday last year. I went big and chose a C60 Elite GMT 1000. Very impressive for the money, Mrs P had picked a £100 voucher (from signing up to their mailing list I think) plus they threw in a free rubber strap too.

It was good to take a look at their full range, I quite like their smaller dial retro watches, despite going to a more modern looking 42mm (which is not in itself massive, but quite thick) blue titanium diver. I usually keep a look out for their 50% sale, and will probably buy one i fancy, as these would be great value.

I've had a look at Bremont, i think they look like decent designs, maybe overdoing the British heritage thing, but may be what their buyers want. Plus I find them too big for me. I still wouldn't mind a trip around their new factory in Henley though.
Personally I'm not keen on Bremont, purely because they don't seem to be able to get their own story straight about their brand, and have a tendency to make things up, and assume that watch buyers are somewhat gullible. I just don't like all that kind of thing, and I don't really like their endless collaborations.

I have no doubt their watches are good from a quality and design point of view. A friend of mine has one and it looks great, but I'm not sure I like the brand.

Christopher Ward, as a brand, just seems a lot more honest and straightforward to me.

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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walamai said:
Mezzanine said:
Really like Scurfa, they definitely appeal to me and if I needed another diver (everyone needs at least one more diver, don’t they?) then I would definitely give Scurfa serious consideration.
Hah, indeed. I needed a blue watch and I'd like one of the blue with yellow hands models. I just went to copy the link of the one I was talking about to put in this thread, and they had one in stock!

https://www.scurfawatches.com/product/diver-one-d1...

Next thing you know...




(And now they're out of stock again)
hehe
Well done biggrin

seefarr

1,464 posts

186 months

Monday 14th June 2021
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The only British watch I'd consider currently would be a fume enamel dial anOrdain.



Edited by seefarr on Tuesday 15th June 10:49

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Tuesday 15th June 2021
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seefarr said:
The only British watch I'd consider currently would be a fume porcelain dial anOrdain.

Very nice indeed.

Pupp

12,217 posts

272 months

Tuesday 15th June 2021
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Mezzanine said:
Very nice indeed.
Isn’t it yes

Pupp

12,217 posts

272 months

Tuesday 15th June 2021
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Riff Raff said:
Just out of interest, if one were to become available, have you any idea what might be a reasonable asking price?
I’d be guessing as no comparables to go by. Would come down to the parties settling where each was happy.

prand

5,915 posts

196 months

Tuesday 15th June 2021
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Lord Marylebone said:
Personally I'm not keen on Bremont, purely because they don't seem to be able to get their own story straight about their brand, and have a tendency to make things up, and assume that watch buyers are somewhat gullible. I just don't like all that kind of thing, and I don't really like their endless collaborations.

I have no doubt their watches are good from a quality and design point of view. A friend of mine has one and it looks great, but I'm not sure I like the brand.

Christopher Ward, as a brand, just seems a lot more honest and straightforward to me.
That's the tricky thing with watches, they are just complex pieces of wrist adornment at the end of the day which some people like to make a statement about themselves by buying and wearing them. I guess when you are relatively recent entries to the game in an industry that plays large on its heritage that has to be authentic and credible. Something about Bremont doesn't quite sit right to me, despite them producing nice looking watches,

CW Ward is not without fault (they do struggle with the logo/name design, positioning and branding), but at least they are providing watches with interesting features at a good value price point, which although is going up in price, isn't trying too hard creating a motorsport/aviation/exploration backstory.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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anonymous said:
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The OP asked for ‘British brands’. He didn’t ask for watches that are manufactured in Britain.

Christopher ward is a British brand, based in Britain, with British owners, and is listed as one of the UK’s top 100 exporters for small to medium sized business.

If we only included British watch brands who manufactured their watches in the UK, we would be left with just a few, and of those, I think there is only Bremont that claim to use an ‘British in-house’ movement, all the others buy their parts from outside the UK and merely do ‘some assembly’ in the UK.

I say Bremont claim to use an in-house movement, because if Bremont told me it was raining, I would go outside and see for myself.

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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I think the only genuinely ‘British’ watch is Roger Smith as they hand-make almost every component.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Mezzanine said:
I think the only genuinely ‘British’ watch is Roger Smith as they hand-make almost every component.
A very good point.

Stunning watches, however I think the £120k price tag and 3 year waiting list will put off most people in this thread, including me!

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Lord Marylebone said:
Mezzanine said:
I think the only genuinely ‘British’ watch is Roger Smith as they hand-make almost every component.
A very good point.

Stunning watches, however I think the £120k price tag and 3 year waiting list will put off most people in this thread, including me!
Indeed.

If only we hadn’t almost completely destroyed the strong watchmaking industry in this country and sold everything down the river, it wouldn’t need to be quite so rare or expensive to buy a ‘British’ watch.





prand

5,915 posts

196 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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Mezzanine said:
Indeed.

If only we hadn’t almost completely destroyed the strong watchmaking industry in this country and sold everything down the river, it wouldn’t need to be quite so rare or expensive to buy a ‘British’ watch.
Its an interesting one. From reading a little around the subject (watches and clocks), Britain was a pioneer in watchmaking, that then went i to decline, Asia took 9ver mass manufacturing 9f quartz movements, and the Swiss carved a niche with mechanical watches. I guess this went the way with all UK industry over the last 100 years, poor management, quality control and cheaper competitors shut the whole thing down.

Its good to see a resurgence though, UK is good at design and innovation and has its own brand cachet, worth exploring and exploiting.


Edited by prand on Wednesday 16th June 10:51

Mezzanine

9,198 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th June 2021
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prand said:
Its an interesting one. From reading a little around the subject (watches and clocks), Britain was a pioneer in watchmaking, that then went i to decline, Asia took 9ver mass manufacturing 9f quartz movements, and the Swiss carved a niche with mechanical watches. I guess this went the way with all UK industry over the last 100 years, poor management, quality control and cheaper competitors shut the whole thing down.

Its good to see a resurgence though, UK is good at design and innovation and has its own brand cachet, worth exploring and exploiting.


Edited by prand on Wednesday 16th June 10:51
Britain was the ‘Switzerland‘ of watchmaking at one point, a pioneer and a world standard.

Roger Smith and the guys from Christopher Ward have started a grass roots organisation to promote and enhance a return to more British-centred manufacturing with the industry.

Linky