HMS Queen Elizabeth

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

No.

If you actually read what I wrote that's 4 seperate duties.

One of which requires 24 hr on base presence, 3 of which allow you to live at home.

Please explain to me where the fk hotels entered the equation?



Typical bloody Fish-head, hard of thinking.

Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Thursday 9th November 21:12

[hidetheelephants]

Nanook said:

V8 Fettler said:

Remaining undetectable by the enemy will be her main defence.

It's 300m long and weighs 70,000 tonnes. Not too easy to hide.

At the risk of restarting the "why can't our carriers do 35kts" argument, being very far away and moving about a lot is functionally the same as being invisible.

[MBBlat]

Video of her at sea with HMS Dragon
https://youtu.be/-2B2_vO5au0

[ecsrobin]

mikal83 said:

And that just about describes crab air, quadraple the amount of manpower needed for one simple op. All tucked up in their hotels!

But it’s not one op is it?

The Herc can be used for humanitarian aid tastings, SAR top cover (used numerous times) and even medical evacuation flights from other parts of the realm (again used numerous times) then there’s the SF stuff.

So yes you do need multiple crews because there is potential for another callout to happen whilst one is deployed overseas/SAR tasking.

[RizzoTheRat]

hidetheelephants said:

At the risk of restarting the "why can't our carriers do 35kts" argument, being very far away and moving about a lot is functionally the same as being invisible.

Although any nations capable of doing serious damage to an escorted carrier, also have some pretty decent detection capabilities. Presumably one way to find it is to look for the Merlin/Crowsnest bimbling around above it, as hopefully nobody should be able to see F35s popping up out of the ocean?

[Ayahuasca]

RizzoTheRat said:

hidetheelephants said:

At the risk of restarting the "why can't our carriers do 35kts" argument, being very far away and moving about a lot is functionally the same as being invisible.

Although any nations capable of doing serious damage to an escorted carrier, also have some pretty decent detection capabilities. Presumably one way to find it is to look for the Merlin/Crowsnest bimbling around above it, as hopefully nobody should be able to see F35s popping up out of the ocean?

Another way is to continually shadow her with trawlers, subs, etc. That, plus satellites, means the Russians will know exactly where she is at all times.

[donutsina911]

I'm a few years out of date, but IIRC, the Chinese combination of optical, synthetic aperture radar and electronic reconnaissance satellites could plot the position of any given surface target every hour. Suspect it's much less now.

[Cold]

HM Liz is due to commission HMS Liz on the 7th December in Portsmouth.

[LotusOmega375D]

Cold said:

HM Liz is due to commission HMS Liz on the 7th December in Portsmouth.

"I name this ship: me"

[Fat Fairy]

mikal83 said:

And that just about describes crab air, quadraple the amount of manpower needed for one simple op. All tucked up in their hotels!

Except those of us who deployed on the Navy's longest sea deployment since Korea, you obviously mean....

FF

[mattyn1]

Fat Fairy said:

Except those of us who deployed on the Navy's longest sea deployment since Korea, you obviously mean....

FF

Which one was that then?

[hairyben]

donutsina911 said:

I'm a few years out of date, but IIRC, the Chinese combination of optical, synthetic aperture radar and electronic reconnaissance satellites could plot the position of any given surface target every hour. Suspect it's much less now.

At least liz needs said fancy kit to locate it... On which point it's unlikely the Chinese that she'll be engaging no?

[Speculatore]

mattyn1 said:

Fat Fairy said:

Except those of us who deployed on the Navy's longest sea deployment since Korea, you obviously mean....

FF

Which one was that then?

Hopefully he is referring to the Falklands war of 82 when we departed from Portsmouth on April 5th and got back on Sept 16th. We did have a small number of RAF personnel onboard including a pilot who was shot down over Stanley with a surface to air 'Tiger cat' missile. He was safely recovered by a British Helo.

[tonyvid]

SantaBarbara said:

What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry

I'm still surprised that Sea Ceptor wasn't designed in from the start - simple install requiring no heavy engineering to the hull or superstructure, integrates with the C2 stuff onboard already, why not? I realise that it should always have its attendant destroyer or frigates but....

[Ayahuasca]

tonyvid said:

SantaBarbara said:

What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry

I'm still surprised that Sea Ceptor wasn't designed in from the start - simple install requiring no heavy engineering to the hull or superstructure, integrates with the C2 stuff onboard already, why not? I realise that it should always have its attendant destroyer or frigates but....

It has all gone a bit wrong if an aircraft carrier needs anti-aircraft missiles for self defence.

[Cold]

She's due back in port on Monday to be readied for the visit by the Queen in a couple of weeks.

[PRTVR]

Ayahuasca said:

tonyvid said:

SantaBarbara said:

What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry

I'm still surprised that Sea Ceptor wasn't designed in from the start - simple install requiring no heavy engineering to the hull or superstructure, integrates with the C2 stuff onboard already, why not? I realise that it should always have its attendant destroyer or frigates but....

It has all gone a bit wrong if an aircraft carrier needs anti-aircraft missiles for self defence.

Disagree, with long range missiles ranged against you, having a platform that can carry a good number of reloads is important, the destroyers in support will only be able to carry a limited number of missiles, when they are gone there gone, untill a RFA can resupply.

[Cold]

Cold said:

She's due back in port on Monday to be readied for the visit by the Queen in a couple of weeks.

24 hour delay, apparently. Currently loitering around the back of the IOW.

[RizzoTheRat]

PRTVR said:

Disagree, with long range missiles ranged against you, having a platform that can carry a good number of reloads is important, the destroyers in support will only be able to carry a limited number of missiles, when they are gone there gone, untill a RFA can resupply.

Kuznetzov has a pretty big supply of anti air armament doesn't it?

[PRTVR]

RizzoTheRat said:

PRTVR said:

Disagree, with long range missiles ranged against you, having a platform that can carry a good number of reloads is important, the destroyers in support will only be able to carry a limited number of missiles, when they are gone there gone, untill a RFA can resupply.

Kuznetzov has a pretty big supply of anti air armament doesn't it?

Yes about 200 SAMs it makes sense to protect your premium assets when you have space available on board.