HMS Queen Elizabeth

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Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

75 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Evanivitch said:
Merlin Crowsnest kit will fly eye in the sky.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/crowsnest-the-stri...


Future options may see a AESA based pod or even a V22 Osprey with kit but realistically neither are going to fit the budget.
What is the service ceiling?

ecsrobin

17,102 posts

165 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Kccv23highliftcam said:
Evanivitch said:
Merlin Crowsnest kit will fly eye in the sky.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/crowsnest-the-stri...


Future options may see a AESA based pod or even a V22 Osprey with kit but realistically neither are going to fit the budget.
What is the service ceiling?
Aren’t you in the military? Should be able to find out from one of your colleagues unless I’ve assumed wrong.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

190 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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NM62 said:
I know our carriers will be slightly smaller than the US Navy's but I was surprised to hear the quoted 700 people as opposed to the 3500+ - really impressive.
As I understand it, the US, with it's much bigger defence budget, still almost uses it's military as a job creation program. Not sure if this was mentioned on the TV Show (haven't seen it here sadly), but the magazine in a US carrier has 400 people, just manage and prep weapons, on QEC it's a hell of a lot less, almost entirely automated.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

190 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Kccv23highliftcam said:
What is the service ceiling?
15,000ft......give or take.

Wildcat45

8,072 posts

189 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Speculatore said:
My last carrier (Illustrious) where I was the Executive Warrant Officer our 'Captain' (Bob Cooling) was actually a Commodore who adopted the rank of a 4 stripe Captain to be the Commanding Officer. The Executive Officer was a Commander (David Healey) (One of 6 onboard) and the 1st Lt was a Lt Cdr (David Wright).

The Executive Department consisted of Captain, Commander (XO), 1st Lt, EWO, MAA, RPO, LReg, CPOPT and LPT
Did you work behind a big shiny door on something like 6 deck? If so, I think we shared a cuppa once. I was a civvy working in Lusty with JMOTS 2005 ish. I shared a cabin with a PO called Spike.
Me in 03H.



Edited by Wildcat45 on Wednesday 18th April 22:25

eccles

13,728 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Flying Phil said:
I enjoyed seeing the first of the BBC2 documentaries - and seeing how the crew were bonding together was very rewarding. It is fascinating how they integrate the traditions of the past two centuries into the modern IT age. Well done to all aboard - and those onshore who built it/them.
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!

Wildcat45

8,072 posts

189 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.

snake_oil

2,039 posts

75 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.

Flying Phil

1,584 posts

145 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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snake_oil said:
Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.
If that was the case - a bit of "creative" editing for dramatic effect?......not the first time on television....

98elise

26,502 posts

161 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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snake_oil said:
Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.
They were Plate 1 winners.

Brickwood is not as good as the old Navy Command Field gun competition. That was a whole other level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPmDyQmgs0



MartG

20,666 posts

204 months

kurt535

3,559 posts

117 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Kccv23highliftcam said:
Evanivitch said:
Merlin Crowsnest kit will fly eye in the sky.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/crowsnest-the-stri...


Future options may see a AESA based pod or even a V22 Osprey with kit but realistically neither are going to fit the budget.
What is the service ceiling?
its a helo. anything above 1000ft qfe and the crew get vertigo

BrettMRC

4,071 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Question RE: photo in the link above about status....

Why isn't she sitting level? type

FourWheelDrift

88,494 posts

284 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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BrettMRC said:
Question RE: photo in the link above about status....

Why isn't she sitting level? type
Portsmouth is on a bit of a hill.

MartG

20,666 posts

204 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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FourWheelDrift said:
BrettMRC said:
Question RE: photo in the link above about status....

Why isn't she sitting level? type
Portsmouth is on a bit of a hill.
yes he's right you know

BrettMRC

4,071 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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MartG said:
FourWheelDrift said:
BrettMRC said:
Question RE: photo in the link above about status....

Why isn't she sitting level? type
Portsmouth is on a bit of a hill.
yes he's right you know
Hah! I feel like a right muppet now... biglaugh

Speculatore

2,002 posts

235 months

Friday 20th April 2018
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98elise said:
snake_oil said:
Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.
They were Plate 1 winners.

Brickwood is not as good as the old Navy Command Field gun competition. That was a whole other level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPmDyQmgs0
You have to put it in to perspective, The 'Command Field Gun' competition was between Devonport, Portsmouth and the Fleet Air Arm with the main event being held at Earls Court. As Command Field Gun Crew you were drafted to the relevant team for 4 - 6 months and lived and breathed 'Field Gun' as it was your one and only function.

The Brickwoods competition affectionately known as 'Car Park Field Gun' was crewed by service personnel in addition to their normal day job. This meant that training could only be done before work, lunch time and after work. The equipment 'Gun and Limber' is the same as that used in the Command Field Gun completion so just as heavy and dangerous. No obstacles were used (Wall and Chasm) but the gun had to move at some considerable speed over the ground with sudden stops, wheels removed and exchanged and gun fired.
I represented HMS Dryad 3 times at the Brickwoods competition and one year from a crew of 17 we had 12 ex-Command Field Gunners taking part. It was often remarked by them that it was difficult fitting in their normal day job around the training but as the main Field Gun Competition was scrapped it was all that they had left.

AstonZagato

12,698 posts

210 months

Friday 20th April 2018
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Speculatore said:
98elise said:
snake_oil said:
Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.
They were Plate 1 winners.

Brickwood is not as good as the old Navy Command Field gun competition. That was a whole other level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPmDyQmgs0
You have to put it in to perspective, The 'Command Field Gun' competition was between Devonport, Portsmouth and the Fleet Air Arm with the main event being held at Earls Court. As Command Field Gun Crew you were drafted to the relevant team for 4 - 6 months and lived and breathed 'Field Gun' as it was your one and only function.

The Brickwoods competition affectionately known as 'Car Park Field Gun' was crewed by service personnel in addition to their normal day job. This meant that training could only be done before work, lunch time and after work. The equipment 'Gun and Limber' is the same as that used in the Command Field Gun completion so just as heavy and dangerous. No obstacles were used (Wall and Chasm) but the gun had to move at some considerable speed over the ground with sudden stops, wheels removed and exchanged and gun fired.
I represented HMS Dryad 3 times at the Brickwoods competition and one year from a crew of 17 we had 12 ex-Command Field Gunners taking part. It was often remarked by them that it was difficult fitting in their normal day job around the training but as the main Field Gun Competition was scrapped it was all that they had left.
I loved watching that Field Gun Competition when it was on. Nuts. Wonder how many injuries there were?

98elise

26,502 posts

161 months

Friday 20th April 2018
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Speculatore said:
98elise said:
snake_oil said:
Wildcat45 said:
eccles said:
I know some of the chaps in work were a bit miffed that it was implied the team from Queen Elisabeth won the gun run, when in fact it was the Army!
It certainly appeared that they won.
Yes it did. Due to the fact they said you won and they all went crazy. WTF.
They were Plate 1 winners.

Brickwood is not as good as the old Navy Command Field gun competition. That was a whole other level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPmDyQmgs0
You have to put it in to perspective, The 'Command Field Gun' competition was between Devonport, Portsmouth and the Fleet Air Arm with the main event being held at Earls Court. As Command Field Gun Crew you were drafted to the relevant team for 4 - 6 months and lived and breathed 'Field Gun' as it was your one and only function.

The Brickwoods competition affectionately known as 'Car Park Field Gun' was crewed by service personnel in addition to their normal day job. This meant that training could only be done before work, lunch time and after work. The equipment 'Gun and Limber' is the same as that used in the Command Field Gun completion so just as heavy and dangerous. No obstacles were used (Wall and Chasm) but the gun had to move at some considerable speed over the ground with sudden stops, wheels removed and exchanged and gun fired.
I represented HMS Dryad 3 times at the Brickwoods competition and one year from a crew of 17 we had 12 ex-Command Field Gunners taking part. It was often remarked by them that it was difficult fitting in their normal day job around the training but as the main Field Gun Competition was scrapped it was all that they had left.
Agreed (I'm ex-RN). I didn't mean it to come across as putting Brickwoods down, more informing that there used to be a higher level of field gun that was quite something to see. A lot of posters will have never seen the Command Field Gun completion with the demise of the tournament.

As you say Command Field Gun was a full time draft, not something you did as well as the day job.




Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

75 months

Sunday 22nd April 2018
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Evanivitch said:
Merlin Crowsnest kit will fly eye in the sky.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/crowsnest-the-stri...


Future options may see a AESA based pod or even a V22 Osprey with kit but realistically neither are going to fit the budget.
The irony of the link title is not lost on us...

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http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA375233

Chap 10


The AWACS detection range R is the minimum of either the radar Line Of Sight distance or the sensitivity limit.

For example, if an AWACS is flying at 30,000' altitude and is searching for a penetrator flying at 200' altitude, the maximum radar LOS (for
4/3rds earth radius refraction) between the two vehicles is:

Radar LOS = 1.23 {(30,000)1/2+ (200)1/2} = 230 NM.

However.

Crowsnest chopper flying at half that altitude gives 177.72 miles against a 3m sea skimmer.....

None of which takes into account sea state/clutter, ecm or "stealth"..



Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Sunday 22 April 09:51