HMS Queen Elizabeth

[yellowjack]

Earthdweller said:

Are there two berths there that can take a carrier ?

As you say POW is in QE’s berth ?

( I’m a long way from P/mouth )

No need. Sling some fenders over the side and tie up side-by-side. Works in marinas all the time...

[PRTVR]

My understanding was that although we had two carriers, only one would be at sea, or are we going to have two functioning carriers as the POW had a crew to bringing her to Portsmouth?

[junglie]

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

[Condi]

junglie said:

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

Also depends on the crew available to run it.

A quick trip down from Scotland is going to require much less people than 2 fully battle ready carrier groups, and I think the chances of us seeing that are slim, unless the RN recruit heavily to do so.

[junglie]

Crew less of an issue depending on what the ask is!

[anonymous-user]

MartG said:

Europa1 said:

Wozy68 said:

I'm gobsmacked the ship has (it appears) so much surface rust/staining already. Fair enough around the anchor but surprised there's so much elsewhere

I didn't think it looked too bad!

It's been around a while, and on that deployment spent quite a bit of time tooling around the Atlantic. It's inevitable - have a watch of series 1 of Britain's Biggest Warship if it's still on iPlayer, when they meet up with a US carrier coming off deployment - the US carrier is very rust streaked.

Most of the rust streaks are where there are moving parts e.g. aircraft lifts and gangways where bare metal is exposed

In Hong Kong there used to be gangs of coolies and Hakka people in junks that would often give the RN ships a quick paint over before they came into the harbour.

[eccles]

Condi said:

junglie said:

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

Also depends on the crew available to run it.

A quick trip down from Scotland is going to require much less people than 2 fully battle ready carrier groups, and I think the chances of us seeing that are slim, unless the RN recruit heavily to do so.

I reckon this show must help a bit in recruitment numbers. It seems to go out of the way to show the nice side of work in the Navy.

[mikal83]

El stovey said:

MartG said:

Europa1 said:

Wozy68 said:

I'm gobsmacked the ship has (it appears) so much surface rust/staining already. Fair enough around the anchor but surprised there's so much elsewhere

I didn't think it looked too bad!

It's been around a while, and on that deployment spent quite a bit of time tooling around the Atlantic. It's inevitable - have a watch of series 1 of Britain's Biggest Warship if it's still on iPlayer, when they meet up with a US carrier coming off deployment - the US carrier is very rust streaked.

Most of the rust streaks are where there are moving parts e.g. aircraft lifts and gangways where bare metal is exposed

In Hong Kong there used to be gangs of coolies and Hakka people in junks that would often give the RN ships a quick paint over before they came into the harbour.

"coolies".......really!

[anonymous-user]

Sorry just seen it’s considered “dated and offensive” now.

Didn’t know. I thought it was just a Hong Kong word for labourer. Seems it’s changed.

[AstonZagato]

mikal83 said:

El stovey said:

MartG said:

Europa1 said:

Wozy68 said:

I'm gobsmacked the ship has (it appears) so much surface rust/staining already. Fair enough around the anchor but surprised there's so much elsewhere

I didn't think it looked too bad!

It's been around a while, and on that deployment spent quite a bit of time tooling around the Atlantic. It's inevitable - have a watch of series 1 of Britain's Biggest Warship if it's still on iPlayer, when they meet up with a US carrier coming off deployment - the US carrier is very rust streaked.

Most of the rust streaks are where there are moving parts e.g. aircraft lifts and gangways where bare metal is exposed

In Hong Kong there used to be gangs of coolies and Hakka people in junks that would often give the RN ships a quick paint over before they came into the harbour.

"coolies".......really!

I hadn't realised that was offensive - I thought it was a term like 'navvies'. Learn something new every day.

[98elise]

Condi said:

junglie said:

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

Also depends on the crew available to run it.

A quick trip down from Scotland is going to require much less people than 2 fully battle ready carrier groups, and I think the chances of us seeing that are slim, unless the RN recruit heavily to do so.

That not how it works (or not when I was serving). The crew is assigned to one ship, it's not a pool of people. For it to operate as a warship the crew have to be trained to function as a team, and will be on a single ship for years. People join and leave over a long period.

A large proportion of the ships company are engineers just to maintain and operate the ship, it's weapons, and it's aircraft (Marine, Weapons, and Air Engineering).

A lot of the crew have dual roles, so when the ship is at sea they will be operating radar sonar etc, but in harbour will have other duties. There is no slack in the ships company.

When the ship needs to go into a conflict (real or simulated) the additional manpower requirements are filled by the same crew working 12 hour days 7 days a week.

[anonymous-user]

AstonZagato said:

I hadn't realised that was offensive - I thought it was a term like 'navvies'. Learn something new every day.

I suppose it’s about context. In HK we used it as a word like labourer or workman it certainly wasn’t racist or offensive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolie

ETA looks like it does depend on geographical context and Mikal83 is just being a snowflake after all .

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th November 16:56

[RizzoTheRat]

98elise said:

Condi said:

junglie said:

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

Also depends on the crew available to run it.

A quick trip down from Scotland is going to require much less people than 2 fully battle ready carrier groups, and I think the chances of us seeing that are slim, unless the RN recruit heavily to do so.

That not how it works (or not when I was serving). The crew is assigned to one ship, it's not a pool of people. For it to operate as a warship the crew have to be trained to function as a team, and will be on a single ship for years. People join and leave over a long period.

A large proportion of the ships company are engineers just to maintain and operate the ship, it's weapons, and it's aircraft (Marine, Weapons, and Air Engineering).

A lot of the crew have dual roles, so when the ship is at sea they will be operating radar sonar etc, but in harbour will have other duties. There is no slack in the ships company.

When the ship needs to go into a conflict (real or simulated) the additional manpower requirements are filled by the same crew working 12 hour days 7 days a week.

Presumably the air wings will only be attached to the ship for a shortish period of time and rotate around depending on which ship is deployed?

[98elise]

RizzoTheRat said:

98elise said:

Condi said:

junglie said:

They may both be at sea simultaneously, one at sea and one alongside or both alongside.

It just depends on the demand signal and generational cycle.

Also depends on the crew available to run it.

A quick trip down from Scotland is going to require much less people than 2 fully battle ready carrier groups, and I think the chances of us seeing that are slim, unless the RN recruit heavily to do so.

That not how it works (or not when I was serving). The crew is assigned to one ship, it's not a pool of people. For it to operate as a warship the crew have to be trained to function as a team, and will be on a single ship for years. People join and leave over a long period.

A large proportion of the ships company are engineers just to maintain and operate the ship, it's weapons, and it's aircraft (Marine, Weapons, and Air Engineering).

A lot of the crew have dual roles, so when the ship is at sea they will be operating radar sonar etc, but in harbour will have other duties. There is no slack in the ships company.

When the ship needs to go into a conflict (real or simulated) the additional manpower requirements are filled by the same crew working 12 hour days 7 days a week.

Presumably the air wings will only be attached to the ship for a shortish period of time and rotate around depending on which ship is deployed?

When I was serving the squadron's rarely rotated. When they were on board it was the same people, and they had permanent offices, workshops , cabins, and messes etc.

They do disappear as soon as you're heading to your home port though. Carriers stop flight operations when alongside, so they generally shift to a shore base.

[Europa1]

Will we have enough F-35s to have both carriers operational simultaneously?

[dirty doug]

Europa1 said:

Will we have enough F-35s to have both carriers operational simultaneously?

Of course.

Half on one, half on t'other!

In all seriousness, if we need to be using both simultaneously, then we will probably be in the nasty do do.
I would have thought that EVERY servicable ship the RN have available will be escorting them as well.
That scenario is a Falklands style event IMO.

Let's hope that's not necessary

[Phud]

98elise said:

When I was serving the squadron's rarely rotated. When they were on board it was the same people, and they had permanent offices, workshops , cabins, and messes etc.

They do disappear as soon as you're heading to your home port though. Carriers stop flight operations when alongside, so they generally shift to a shore base.

The CAGs are aligned to ships, one swaps ships if it goes into refit, personnel will change within the CAG but the squadrons normally remain the same.

You might embark a flight if you need a different role, such as junglies if not pinging or they want a jolly.

[Gandahar]

Has anyone got the number of other surface Navy warships in 1982 alongside Hermes and Invincible compared to 2019 against these two aircraft carriers?

[ecsrobin]

Gandahar said:

Has anyone got the number of other surface Navy warships in 1982 alongside Hermes and Invincible compared to 2019 against these two aircraft carriers?

And their capability difference?

[98elise]

Europa1 said:

Will we have enough F-35s to have both carriers operational simultaneously?

They don't just carry F-35's. They will carry whatever they need for the particular deployment. There could be deployments where you have no need of fixed wing aircraft.