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Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Searider said:
I do fear that the mahogany planking on aluminium frames won't have survived well if the interior maintainance is a good as the exterior appears..
Indeed.

Is she double and triple diag?

Searider

979 posts

254 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Huntsman said:
Searider said:
I do fear that the mahogany planking on aluminium frames won't have survived well if the interior maintainance is a good as the exterior appears..
Indeed.

Is she double and triple diag?
Definitely double, I can't remember if the bottom was triple.

The military versions had timber internal framing, rather than the aluminium.

Searider

979 posts

254 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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AVV EM said:
12 spare?? yikes
Yes, lots - seems the Owner bought up everything he could.

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Searider said:
Huntsman said:
Searider said:
I do fear that the mahogany planking on aluminium frames won't have survived well if the interior maintainance is a good as the exterior appears..
Indeed.

Is she double and triple diag?
Definitely double, I can't remember if the bottom was triple.

The military versions had timber internal framing, rather than the aluminium.
Was there any barrier material between frames and timber?

I think one would has to accept that any rebuild is going to be massively invasive to the structure and work out the way to do it. Then take a deep breath.

Legmaster

1,155 posts

206 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Searider said:
AVV EM said:
12 spare?? yikes
Yes, lots - seems the Owner bought up everything he could.
Just made a phone call to a mate who helps look after her as I thought 12 sounded a bit light. She's got 42 spare engines, 6 spare gearboxes & 3 spare props.



Legmaster

1,155 posts

206 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Huntsman said:
There was a ph'er called Leg master who could get us on board for a look round.
I'm still here, not dead yetsmile Will see what I can do... possibly over winter.



Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Legmaster said:
I'm still here, not dead yetsmile Will see what I can do... possibly over winter.
Was hoping you'd pop in.

Yes please, we'd love a visit.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Legmaster said:
Searider said:
AVV EM said:
12 spare?? yikes
Yes, lots - seems the Owner bought up everything he could.
Just made a phone call to a mate who helps look after her as I thought 12 sounded a bit light. She's got 42 spare engines, 6 spare gearboxes & 3 spare props.
Someones pulling my leg laugh

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Huntsman said:
Was hoping you'd pop in.

Yes please, we'd love a visit.
We'd still love a visit.

She's back on her berth on the Itchen, appears little has changed.


ecsrobin

Original Poster:

17,019 posts

164 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Huntsman said:
Huntsman said:
Was hoping you'd pop in.

Yes please, we'd love a visit.
We'd still love a visit.

She's back on her berth on the Itchen, appears little has changed.
So I'm guessing just a survey or a fix of a leak then. Such a shame.

Steve_D

13,737 posts

257 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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ecsrobin said:
So I'm guessing just a survey or a fix of a leak then. Such a shame.
At least 'something' is happening rather than it just sitting on a mooring.

Steve

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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ecsrobin said:
So I'm guessing just a survey or a fix of a leak then. Such a shame.
I suspect that was the cause of the move.

EddietheEagle

3 posts

88 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Haydon-Baillie might have lost the boat again (it was sold under his feet once before) as the company, Ronastone, in which he vested ownership is the subject of a compulsory winding up order. That little excursion might have been for pre-sale valuation purposes.

Many technical details regarding the vessel are contained in a high court judgement of one of Haydon Baillie legal cases. Bedtime reading.

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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EddietheEagle said:
Haydon-Baillie might have lost the boat again (it was sold under his feet once before) as the company, Ronastone, in which he vested ownership is the subject of a compulsory winding up order. That little excursion might have been for pre-sale valuation purposes.

Many technical details regarding the vessel are contained in a high court judgement of one of Haydon Baillie legal cases. Bedtime reading.
Interesting first post.

Valuation....asset or liability?

EddietheEagle

3 posts

88 months

Sunday 27th November 2016
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The vessel was once given a valuation of £750,000 by a high court judge after Hayden Baillie took action against some punter who had earlier bought it (through his wife) in a fire sale for £500,000 when he was down and out. They later sold it back to him for £2 million having falsely claimed all manner of valuable refitting work had been carried out. Through both its origins and ownership, the boat has intrinsic interest as a historic craft. What it's actually worth now is anybody's guess but I doubt you'd be talking large sums. Beside, Hayden Baillie owns all the available engines and spares, or did!

Hayden Baillie's obsession with this craft is a book in itself. The man is a fantasist, a self-regarded industrialist but in reality an English Gatsby of sorts. Successful and well connected in his day when he built up a city following through Watshams/Optical & Medical Plc along with his sidekick henchman, Tony Gover, but seemingly naive in other aspects of his life. He came apart after one too many dud deals caused his institutional support to desert. Their daft and worthless 'investments' in his subsequent ventures, notably Porton International, served largely to float an expensive, out-to-impress, aristocratic lifestyle including the acquisition of Britain's largest stately home. He was certainly no Niarchos, not even remotely so despite the claim bandied around at the time that he was one of "Britain's richest". He's skint now, hence the forlorn condition of this vessel, although I guess that's better than ending up drifting lifeless across a swimming pool.

Some Guy

2,075 posts

90 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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mrloudly said:
Did they ever get rid of the big old hulk just along from Shamrock Quay? Always wondered what its story was ;-)
The white one on the other side of the river?

Wasn't it used in an episode of Ultimate Force?

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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Some Guy said:
The white one on the other side of the river?

Wasn't it used in an episode of Ultimate Force?
Do you mean Luymes? The ship that old man Wilment wanted to turn into a yacht?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fatdeeman/2885136183


Some Guy

2,075 posts

90 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Yep thats the one. Thanks.


RoverP6B

4,338 posts

127 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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Any further updates regarding this beautiful, iconic vessel? I do hope she is restored - to see her whoosh past at 60 knots would be something really special.

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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RoverP6B said:
Any further updates regarding this beautiful, iconic vessel? I do hope she is restored - to see her whoosh past at 60 knots would be something really special.
Funnily enough I'm looking at P6B's at the moment.

No change with Brave Challenger, she's back on her mooring. She's very complex and very poorly.