New Supersonic airliner

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2fast748

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Tuesday 27th June 2017
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It's OK folks NASA have solved the problem:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/27/concorde_w...

2fast748

Original Poster:

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195 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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I don't get it. What's their business model?

"“Think about for a moment the families that are separated because of the long flights. Think about the trips not taken because when you add up the lost hours, the trip just doesn’t feel worth it."

How many families are actually going to pay a 300% premium to cut their total journey times by 25%?

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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What's their business model? The glitterati and well-off who don't want to spend 8+ hours on the plane (for example) flying LHR to JFK.

IF they can meet their targets for cost it'll be significantly cheaper as well - £2k each way is a lot cheaper than you can pick up a first class seat at the moment (presumably due to the flight length).

Obviously they'll have to get the engineering sorted first, but if it really works it'll be popular.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Mave said:
I don't get it. What's their business model?

"“Think about for a moment the families that are separated because of the long flights. Think about the trips not taken because when you add up the lost hours, the trip just doesn’t feel worth it."

How many families are actually going to pay a 300% premium to cut their total journey times by 25%?
It isn't a 300% premium if it's comparable to business class. Look at what BA charge for London City to New York.

It isn't necessarily just a 25% reduction depending on where you are going to and from. Even a few hours off the flight time can mean there and back in a day instead of overnight.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Wow, the future is here!

There is also the Aerion AS2 supersonic bizjet:



https://gizmodo.com/325751/first-supersonic-privat...

Oh, hang on, that article is from 10 years ago.

The future clearly is not here yet.

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
I don't get it. What's their business model?

"“Think about for a moment the families that are separated because of the long flights. Think about the trips not taken because when you add up the lost hours, the trip just doesn’t feel worth it."

How many families are actually going to pay a 300% premium to cut their total journey times by 25%?
It isn't a 300% premium if it's comparable to business class. Look at what BA charge for London City to New York.

It isn't necessarily just a 25% reduction depending on where you are going to and from. Even a few hours off the flight time can mean there and back in a day instead of overnight.
How many families fly business class to see their relatives, and travel there and back in a day?

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Anything that keeps time with the in-laws to an absolute minimum is worth paying in my book.

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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LotusOmega375D said:
Anything that keeps time with the in-laws to an absolute minimum is worth paying in my book.
smile
That's sailing across on Queen Mary Ii then..

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Mave said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
I don't get it. What's their business model?

"“Think about for a moment the families that are separated because of the long flights. Think about the trips not taken because when you add up the lost hours, the trip just doesn’t feel worth it."

How many families are actually going to pay a 300% premium to cut their total journey times by 25%?
It isn't a 300% premium if it's comparable to business class. Look at what BA charge for London City to New York.

It isn't necessarily just a 25% reduction depending on where you are going to and from. Even a few hours off the flight time can mean there and back in a day instead of overnight.
How many families fly business class to see their relatives, and travel there and back in a day?
I was responding to the question, 'What's their business model'.

DuraAce

4,240 posts

160 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Article says test flights in late 2018... Surley that means they've already started building it then? (I highly doubt it)

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
I don't get it. What's their business model?

"“Think about for a moment the families that are separated because of the long flights. Think about the trips not taken because when you add up the lost hours, the trip just doesn’t feel worth it."

How many families are actually going to pay a 300% premium to cut their total journey times by 25%?
It isn't a 300% premium if it's comparable to business class. Look at what BA charge for London City to New York.

It isn't necessarily just a 25% reduction depending on where you are going to and from. Even a few hours off the flight time can mean there and back in a day instead of overnight.
How many families fly business class to see their relatives, and travel there and back in a day?
I was responding to the question, 'What's their business model'.
With respect, you didn't really. You just lightly countered my doubts about their business model, without really reconciling their statef target market against the cost.

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Krikkit said:
What's their business model? The glitterati and well-off who don't want to spend 8+ hours on the plane (for example) flying LHR to JFK.
But that's not who they claim their target market is.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Mave said:
With respect, you didn't really. You just lightly countered my doubts about their business model, without really reconciling their statef target market against the cost.
Jesus Christ it's not my chuffing project, it's not my fault if their business plan turns out not to work, I was just pointing out the business opportunity in the fact that some people would like to get their journey over in a reasonable time. Sorry if this offends you. As far as I'm concerned if no 'families' ever travel on it so much the better, I'll go on it to get away from screaming kids.

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Dr Jekyll said:
Mave said:
With respect, you didn't really. You just lightly countered my doubts about their business model, without really reconciling their statef target market against the cost.
Jesus Christ it's not my chuffing project, it's not my fault if their business plan turns out not to work, I was just pointing out the business opportunity in the fact that some people would like to get their journey over in a reasonable time. Sorry if this offends you. As far as I'm concerned if no 'families' ever travel on it so much the better, I'll go on it to get away from screaming kids.
It doesn't offend me, and I don't know why you would think that was the case. Isn't it possible to have a civilised discussion about whether their business case is viable, seeing as the Concorde business case turned out to be sketchy at best?

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Mave said:
Krikkit said:
What's their business model? The glitterati and well-off who don't want to spend 8+ hours on the plane (for example) flying LHR to JFK.
But that's not who they claim their target market is.
That doesn't mean it isn't their real market - it's not exactly a popular subset of the population with the ordinary folks at the moment. Can you imagine the daily wail's slating of the new jet specifically for the 1%?

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Krikkit said:
Mave said:
Krikkit said:
What's their business model? The glitterati and well-off who don't want to spend 8+ hours on the plane (for example) flying LHR to JFK.
But that's not who they claim their target market is.
That doesn't mean it isn't their real market - it's not exactly a popular subset of the population with the ordinary folks at the moment. Can you imagine the daily wail's slating of the new jet specifically for the 1%?
Fair enough. I can see there may be a business case if you can charge enough premium over and above existing business class - but not as an affordable alternative to business class for the masses!

2fast748

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Evanivitch

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122 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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2fast748 said:
I like the idea of it being as noisy as street traffic, EV street traffic I hope wink

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Serious business when NASA stump up $250m for a single airframe. Exciting stuff. biggrin