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UNRESTRICTED CLIMB TEST-FLIGHT of F16
(skip the first 2 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ekGZG6qUc
What's the sound at 3'34? (apart from the bloody bell) - blip of the throttle?
(skip the first 2 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ekGZG6qUc
What's the sound at 3'34? (apart from the bloody bell) - blip of the throttle?
Simpo Two said:
Who would win the climb battle between the F16 and that cold war beast 'up to 60K feet in 30 secs but no fuel left' Lightning?
I bet the Lightning. Some could go ballistic I believe.Saw one over shell island beach stand the plane one its tail and go straight up under full after burner.
What a sight !
Simpo Two said:
UNRESTRICTED CLIMB TEST-FLIGHT of F16
(skip the first 2 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ekGZG6qUc
What's the sound at 3'34? (apart from the bloody bell) - blip of the throttle?
That's the jet nozzle closing for the take off. Then the fun stuff happens, nozzle opens, and off you go on full after burner. (Sorry, that's about as technical as I can be!)(skip the first 2 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ekGZG6qUc
What's the sound at 3'34? (apart from the bloody bell) - blip of the throttle?
Edited by I Love Cake on Monday 20th November 04:50
I Love Cake said:
That's the jet nozzle closing for the take off. Then the fun stuff happens, nozzle opens, and off you go on full after burner. (Sorry, that's about as technical as I can be!)
It didn't makes sense to me as it was about to touch down on a touch-and-go... so I thought he'd be throttling down not up... Gary C said:
Humm
Wiki has the f16 climbing at more than twice the rate of the Lightning. 50000feet/s against 20000f/s
But is that the initial rate of climb for the F-16 against constant rate of climb for the Lightning. If the Lightning could out climb an F-15, then I think it would have no problem against an F-16. To quote the book of wiki:-Wiki has the f16 climbing at more than twice the rate of the Lightning. 50000feet/s against 20000f/s
"The Lightning possessed a remarkable climb rate. It was famous for its ability to rapidly rotate from takeoff to climb almost vertically from the runway, though this did not yield the best time-to-altitude. The Lightning's trademark tail-stand maneuver exchanged airspeed for altitude; it could slow to near-stall speeds before commencing level flight. The Lightning’s optimum climb profile required the use of afterburners during takeoff. Immediately after takeoff, the nose would be lowered for rapid acceleration to 430 knots (800 km/h) IAS before initiating a climb, stabilising at 450 knots (830 km/h). This would yield a constant climb rate of approximately 20,000 ft/min (100 m/s). Around 13,000 ft (4,000 m) the Lightning would reach Mach 0.87 (1,009 km/h) and maintain this speed until reaching the tropopause, 36,000 ft (11,000 m) on a standard day. If climbing further, pilots would accelerate to supersonic speed at the tropopause before resuming the climb. A Lightning flying at optimum climb profile would reach 36,000 ft (11,000 m) in under three minutes"
Shar2 said:
But is that the initial rate of climb for the F-16 against constant rate of climb for the Lightning. If the Lightning could out climb an F-15, then I think it would have no problem against an F-16. To quote the book of wiki:-
"The Lightning possessed a remarkable climb rate. It was famous for its ability to rapidly rotate from takeoff to climb almost vertically from the runway, though this did not yield the best time-to-altitude. The Lightning's trademark tail-stand maneuver exchanged airspeed for altitude; it could slow to near-stall speeds before commencing level flight. The Lightning’s optimum climb profile required the use of afterburners during takeoff. Immediately after takeoff, the nose would be lowered for rapid acceleration to 430 knots (800 km/h) IAS before initiating a climb, stabilising at 450 knots (830 km/h). This would yield a constant climb rate of approximately 20,000 ft/min (100 m/s). Around 13,000 ft (4,000 m) the Lightning would reach Mach 0.87 (1,009 km/h) and maintain this speed until reaching the tropopause, 36,000 ft (11,000 m) on a standard day. If climbing further, pilots would accelerate to supersonic speed at the tropopause before resuming the climb. A Lightning flying at optimum climb profile would reach 36,000 ft (11,000 m) in under three minutes"
I grew up near RAF Coltishall in the 1970s; loved watching the Lightnings take off."The Lightning possessed a remarkable climb rate. It was famous for its ability to rapidly rotate from takeoff to climb almost vertically from the runway, though this did not yield the best time-to-altitude. The Lightning's trademark tail-stand maneuver exchanged airspeed for altitude; it could slow to near-stall speeds before commencing level flight. The Lightning’s optimum climb profile required the use of afterburners during takeoff. Immediately after takeoff, the nose would be lowered for rapid acceleration to 430 knots (800 km/h) IAS before initiating a climb, stabilising at 450 knots (830 km/h). This would yield a constant climb rate of approximately 20,000 ft/min (100 m/s). Around 13,000 ft (4,000 m) the Lightning would reach Mach 0.87 (1,009 km/h) and maintain this speed until reaching the tropopause, 36,000 ft (11,000 m) on a standard day. If climbing further, pilots would accelerate to supersonic speed at the tropopause before resuming the climb. A Lightning flying at optimum climb profile would reach 36,000 ft (11,000 m) in under three minutes"
USAF alconbury open day 1972?
Lighting batted down the runway at about 50-100ft, then pointed upwards and disappreard in seconds.Lots of noise. only beaten by the yanks on base jaws hitting the tarmac
Smug smiles from all the brits, having just before seen four F4 doing 'A fast pass' according to the commentator Yea my ford angiai could have out run them
Lighting batted down the runway at about 50-100ft, then pointed upwards and disappreard in seconds.Lots of noise. only beaten by the yanks on base jaws hitting the tarmac
Smug smiles from all the brits, having just before seen four F4 doing 'A fast pass' according to the commentator Yea my ford angiai could have out run them
We had Lightenings based in Singapore when I was out there in the 60s .
Was absolutely fantastic to watch them take off then tail stand and blast to the heavens.
We had a free display most of the time watching all manner of things doing practice or training sorties .
A time of many long gone and spectacular aircraft that fascinated this enthusiastic schoolboy .
Was absolutely fantastic to watch them take off then tail stand and blast to the heavens.
We had a free display most of the time watching all manner of things doing practice or training sorties .
A time of many long gone and spectacular aircraft that fascinated this enthusiastic schoolboy .
20,000 fpm seems slow for a Lightning, although variation between variants.
I doubt if there is a definitive website for rates of climb, but this site states 50,000 fpm https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.as...
Someone with some time to spare could make comparisons using empty weight, maximum take off weight and thrust.
Brian Carroll on Lightning vs F-15: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/...
Only the Lightning overhauled Concorde.
I doubt if there is a definitive website for rates of climb, but this site states 50,000 fpm https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.as...
Someone with some time to spare could make comparisons using empty weight, maximum take off weight and thrust.
Brian Carroll on Lightning vs F-15: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/...
Only the Lightning overhauled Concorde.
Simpo Two said:
The Lightning 'tail stand' is never forgotten - I saw mine at RAF Wattisham c.1976 and the ground shook.
We had a school trip there in 76 (It was bloody hot on that day I remember that). Went into the radar room and had a look in the hangars. If memory serves me they had some Phantoms there back then and also some lightnings. We were allowed to "look but do not touch ANYTHING".Wasn't there an old lightning in a Scrapyard somewhere on the A1 visible from the road years ago?.
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